Topic: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit - page 3. (Read 3310 times)

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

That detracts from nothing that I have just posted. Your post is also strange. Most people wearing tags now would not need wear them under the old system.

The trust and merit systems crush free speech and create an echo chamber. Merit is the carrot, Red trust is the stick.  It is foolish to dispute the implications.

EDIT - VOD seems to have run away like a coward? seems it can not present any evidence ?  where are the examples of our posts he does not believe?

Actually, upon doing some research, theymos implemented the scammer tag system to ensure free speech.


You should be grateful that the trust system morphed from the old scammer tag system. You can now have a bazillion negative trust comments and not only be allowed to continue to post, but now the red trust recipient is free to create as many alt accounts as they like, modify their profiles and edit/delete posts.

We did not notice it before (perhaps it can be confirmed when you left the red) either way let us continue..

Can you present our words that you do not believe? we will in public debate them with you now?

Can you present your proof that we are an ALT of anyone?
Can you present your proof that even if we were an alt of anyone (we are not) then that clearly demonstrates we do not believe our own words?


Your respect is not require, and certainly not desired. I think it best not to be associated with you in anyway at all.

Please present proof of your accusations?  EVEN if we were  an alt account of anyone (we are not) You need proof to establish this. Then again you do not perhaps have the capacity to realize that some members (not us) may consider it the only safe way to speak the truth ?when people like yourself abuse the trust system?  So again your reasoning is flawed, and demonstrates the larger problem here for free speech. Thanks for assisting us.

Seems that you wish to red trust any member that presents truths you do not wish to be made public?

If that is not the case, please present now the parts of our posts you wish to dispute as false, those parts you do not believe?

Coward? would that not be more a suitable title for someone that takes advantage of perhaps vulnerable (age) groups ? Do you know any one like that? Perhaps we have overlooked individuals like that, and need to take a closer look, to examine in public what kind of deviant people we are dealing with here in positions of trust?

I left you the trust last night, before your post.  Pay closer attention. 

I think it demonstrates I don't respect people who don't respect what they post.  

If you don't believe your words, why should I?

I'm not trying to silence a coward in any way.   Post on to your heart's delight.

 


Great!

A limited mind could see it that way.

Perhaps they hope it will serve as a lesson to others not to replicate the mistake of mentioning observable events from their past? and discourage further incidents of speaking the truth.

Vod seems to have been accused of many terrible things , by several members. We will investigate those for him shortly in his own thread, and if they appear untrue under scrutiny, we will be glad to see him cleared of such nasty accusations.

The strategy has a success rate that can only be speculated on, but unless you view red trust as a reward, or endorsement, then you are perhaps capable of understanding that red trust has serious implications for free speech.

   Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

I do not think we should be terming this legitimate illustration of the very short comings of the trust system DRAMA. These are observable instances of failure and abuse that put the entire board at increased risk, and destroy the cohesion of the entire community. If all the energy fighting for  fair treatment and simple justice, was directed to positive projects to further awareness and push forward adoption of decentralized projects, we may all get what we hope for much sooner.

Nothing is more stupid than having a TRUST system where observable scammers on DT get to red trust honest members to prevent them whistle blowing on them, whilst their "alts and friends" get to back them up, or excuse it.

 The fact the trust system is now based upon a merit system where a tiny fraction of the board cycle it to each other. Those that give each other the most merits are the most trustworthy, stands to reason right?. What more can be said. A huge proportion of DT members are observably totally untrustworthy and observably sneaky and greedy when it comes to financial matters. Nobody can even deny it? they just claim the truth does not interest them, don't want to get involved (only too eager to get involved in everyone else business) and when pushed to comment they say that: it is good when innocent people get red trust, because it makes people more aware.

The double standards is quite fun to point out, but highly damaging to new members.

It is not enjoyable to watch the board being taken over by an observably shady bunch and the resulting "drama" of all those innocent persons fighting for fair treatment. Observable double standards will end up crushing this entire community. Makes the entire environment look shady and manipulated. You only need a newbie to see evidence of a DT members scamming,  lying, implicated in a serious extortion attempt or punishing people for things they have done themselves and that's it, they will assume the entire board is shady. Rightly so.

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.
 

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

I would rather you apologized and stopped abusing the trust system.  Last chance.


By the way... Everyone can see you started this drama with the below lie.  Anything posted after the below comment is a fight you started.  

Well everyone can give you feedback and trust rating. This is not controlled by admin but it can be reviewed actually and since you are posting this then this might reach to admin. Just hope that the only admin theymos is not busy around checking a lot of concerns and maintaining forum free from any forms of harm and keeping it safe for every users.

Anyway, I do not see any abuses for now from the DT excrpt if the user has posted a shady post that looks like a scam posts and it is their discretion on whatever decision they will going to make. So, better to stay away from.the likes of the post that look scam.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50652615

You are a liar.   Anything that you post after that comment is a fight you started. 

Seems only fair you put up 1 BTC for me to do so, right?  It’s clear now everything you said about me was a lie. Put up the 1 BTC and make it seem like there’s no basis for my opinion.

For the record, I would much prefer that Vod apologizes for the comments he's made about me in this thread, removes the trust abuse, and we move forward like grown adults as opposed to turning this situation into a more drama filled jury trial with our peers.

How about your initial lie which caused all this?  Can you post one legitimate PM supporting the following?  If you're not a liar, you'll do it, right?


You're just as much a hypocrite liar as Anduck.  I'm glad you two scammers found each other.  

To easily search PMs from a particular user:
Search for: e
From user: Vod

The above will provide you with all PMs from Vod containing the letter “e” which most likely is all spams you received from him.

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I would think Vod would be willing to prove that him calling OgN a scammer is accurate for over $5k

Some of us are better than this...  The difference is that Vod can't prove any of his lies as they are literally nonsense he made up, and I have evidence to backup my opinions.  I was hoping I wouldn't have to dig through all my PMs, since I have more than 1200 pages of them and navigating my inbox is literally a nightmare, but I can see that may be necessary if you can't see the difference between Vod's lies and the truths being told about him.  

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim.  If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

Guys, you are better than this. So, please, find a way to sort it out.

You are going round in circles. Each one calling the other a liar!
All of you are highly trusted members (not talking about trust rating under your usernames). We, junior members, consider you as our mentors and look up to you. But it seems you have no idea how all this drama is affecting us.

Vod told me that he doesn't see anything untrustworthy in what I did. Let that sink in.
Soon after this we discussed a little and he threatened to red-rate me unless I changed my rating. (Call that blackmailing or whatever you want.) And I did not change my rating.
Additionally, I also told him that I don't specifically trust him. This, I think, hurt his ego very badly (was not my intention though), finally triggering him to his sudden change of "opinion" etc, and rating me red.


OK. Can't really remember exactly what I thought back then, but I did not see anything to "correct" at the time. Also, this whole auction case is completely out of proportions. For example, a staffer (mprep) changed his auction rules in the middle of an auction with bids in, and same handful of people (you, saltyspitoon and vod) who are now, still after many years whining about my vendor bid, are completely ignoring or accepting that, and so on. Hypocrites.

Regardless, none of this has anything to do with this auction and Vod's rating towards me has nothing to do with that auction, except that he uses it as it the "reason" as it's the only thing he could find about me that is even remotely controversial.

What is so hard in understanding that Vod's rating towards me has nothing to do with the auction, anyway? Yes, he states something about it in his rating reason, but could you now try to finally understand what happened in messages between us. Like, e.g., read the messages before constantly talking about irrelevant stuff.


Of course. Only thing I can really do is to tell you to educate yourself about auction standards in the world. I gave you just one example for e.g. starting point.

It appeared like Vod believed you were intentionally lying to him and reacted to it... he has reacted to others in a similar fashion when he thinks someone is intentionally being dishonest.
Blackmailing?? Are you sure you got the right term

As you've stated, it's not standard on Bitcointalk, where your auction was posted. IMO, it's your responsibility to know the guidelines and rules at an auction site/forum before creating the auction. When questioned immediately at the time of the auction, you chose to essentially give everyone the middle finger and press on. I'm merely stating my opinion that you were in the wrong in doing these things. 1) Listing a starting bid that wasn't really a "starting bid" as per the auction guidelines stickied to the section. 2) Not correcting your actions after being provided the chance to do so. (#2 is a personal pet peeve of mine)

This isn't huutokaupat and it's not a US-based auction house.

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

Yet you insist on highlighting a one-time vendor bid I did on my auction 4 years ago? Please educate yourself to understand that vendor bidding is a normal auction event in various auction standards and countries, including the United States. It's not standard in Ebay, not standard in Bitcointalk, but is a standard e.g. in my country. For example you can check the biggest Finnish online auction site huutokaupat.com. It's given that auctions are by default with reserve, be it hidden, concealed or open. Even the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve.

There is no written Bitcoin auction standard anywhere, so these kind of actions not aligned with the standard happen occasionally.  And they are never dealed with how Vod here does, because Vod did not rate me because of the auction, he rated me because I hurt his ego by telling him that I don't specifically trust him. This would be obvious to you if you bothered to dig yourself up from the vod hole.

Also, if it matters, Vod does not even frequent the Collectibles section. He also directly told me that he will red-rate me if I don't do what he wants. So who are you to now make up some other reason for his ratings when he himself stated it?

I expected someone to come whitewash Vod, as has always happened before.


I do not perceive something to be done wrongly when it was done in good faith and immediately learned upon. But that's just me, you seem to have a much harsher stance. Again, I only did something that's not according to bitcointalk auction standard, but is perfectly fine and normal e.g. in my country. Bear with me.

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Regarding trust system & DT, they're better than ever before. Thank you theymos.

I can provide one "misunderstanding" you appeared to have had which started the whole thing:


Did you honor your "starting bid" as the lowest price you would sell the item for? No... you increased the price at the end of the auction and then went on to sell it privately after the auction ended.
Did you "have to" follow this guideline, technically no. However, people also don't "have to" follow any guideline on this forum.. but there can still be consequences to those actions.

Even at the time of the auction, people questioned your "misunderstanding" and you acknowledged you "should have set a higher starting bid or reserve", but then didn't correct it - you continued to sell it privately... that's just wrong IMO.

You also did at least help with "fuck"'ing something, IMO, which is DefaultTrust.. because of your single-minded defense of your own "misunderstanding" during your "Destroy DT or put me on it" campaign... instead of seeing other peoples perspectives as well.

For me, the reality is most people I know do not expect an auctioneer to self-bid when there was no disclosure of a hidden reserve, especially when it goes against the guidelines (and tips) I believe most people adhere to in the auction section. Although, I do realize there are much worse things happening at this forum than this... but you've continued to act like you've done NOTHING wrong. 

Shouldn't other people participating in your future auctions have a right to know that you may not be complying to the guidelines and tips stickied in the auction section of this forum?


They don't, it's all just cheap thrills to them.