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This is what I do. Although the counterpart is even if you don't play the game as long as you understand the mechanics and you know the teams involved and you get to know some part of their backgrounds, that's enough for you to continue betting with any of your chosen esports.
It's also good to follow most of the pro players for that specific esports you follow and get to understand their tips because they're the ones that are playing professionally.

To some extent, esports is much more depended on the skills than many other team sports. I'd put them above team sports along the line of tennis for analytical significance. Collection of data between several teams and placing them by ranking and head to head as well by the game format makes it easier to guess which team would come stronger.

There's no need to compare esports to any other team sports. Both are dependents on their skills and they are two different kinds of competition. Kudos for esports professional athletes and also to those sports athletes that the first people that we idolized.
Ranking are just basic in the beginning but in the long run, when they're in-game it's hard to depend on those rankings unless they've proven to be dominating the region where they belong.

The thing you said was definitely right! 2 things are incomparable yet they do really have their own field of expertise but both can really be considered to be in sports field.They do differ in genre though.
Tricks and tips are common but actually it will always end up on betting on teams that you do know on who do have the edge and be sure that we are knowledgeable into teams that we are betting into
not just making blind bets or making it random.This might be a simple suggestion but doing the basics is really that hard but winning percentage would really be just like 50-50% chance compared to
any other games out there.

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Quote from: Tipstar on June 20, 2020, 10:09:18 AM

Quote from: blockman on June 20, 2020, 09:58:54 AM

This is what I do. Although the counterpart is even if you don't play the game as long as you understand the mechanics and you know the teams involved and you get to know some part of their backgrounds, that's enough for you to continue betting with any of your chosen esports.
It's also good to follow most of the pro players for that specific esports you follow and get to understand their tips because they're the ones that are playing professionally.

To some extent, esports is much more depended on the skills than many other team sports. I'd put them above team sports along the line of tennis for analytical significance. Collection of data between several teams and placing them by ranking and head to head as well by the game format makes it easier to guess which team would come stronger.

There's no need to compare esports to any other team sports. Both are dependents on their skills and they are two different kinds of competition. Kudos for esports professional athletes and also to those sports athletes that the first people that we idolized.
Ranking are just basic in the beginning but in the long run, when they're in-game it's hard to depend on those rankings unless they've proven to be dominating the region where they belong.

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Actually esports betting is very beneficial for people who often play games, because the key to winning betting on esports very
dependent on our experience. The more often watching online tournaments, will make us have information about the team and
players the strong one. That way it will be easier to win esports betting. At least we can have a picture to choose a team or a player
who will win the game and succeed in making us make money from esports betting.

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Quote from: GDragon on June 20, 2020, 09:55:16 AM

I think there is no really a specific tips for Esports. Its the same with other gambling games. Play it, know the game you are betting. First hand experience is better because you will have insights on who you think will win, you will have to think for yourself. Another tip is watch youtube matches, know the pro teams and players. I do this in Dota 2. I Listen to the shoutcasters because some explains details about the game or the player that will make me help in betting. You can also read forums about the esports tournament. There will be a lot of opinions on who will win and from there, some will help you decide.

This is what I do. Although the counterpart is even if you don't play the game as long as you understand the mechanics and you know the teams involved and you get to know some part of their backgrounds, that's enough for you to continue betting with any of your chosen esports.
It's also good to follow most of the pro players for that specific esports you follow and get to understand their tips because they're the ones that are playing professionally.

To some extent, esports is much more depended on the skills than many other team sports. I'd put them above team sports along the line of tennis for analytical significance. Collection of data between several teams and placing them by ranking and head to head as well by the game format makes it easier to guess which team would come stronger.

This is the reason why if you want to have high chance of winning in esports betting, you should at least know the game and the teams involved. It is much better if you are following their games before going into betting. The more you are familiar with the team and the game, the better chance of winning. So actually, there is no secret with esports, the more you know the game and the individuals involved, the better for you as a bettor.

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I would be curious to know if e-sports betting are a good fit for machine learning algorithms. I mean, the data is there, it is quantifiable and should follow the same rules as traditional sports in which this kind of methods is proven to work. Anyone has some information about this topic ?

I haven't heard about that. Yes, esports is the same as the traditional sports as if we're betting for a match. The difference is that it's the computer game matches. I don't understand what's this machine algo that you're describing and how it could be related to esports betting.
If you don't mind, can you give me any background regards to that topic? There should be no algorithm if you're defining to the bettors' side but if there's a deeper meaning into it and that's what you're looking for, I have no idea.

I don't really know the specifics, but I heard several success stories about anticipating outcomes in sports like tennis or horse racing. You have to consider a lot of variables, and some of them will be very difficult to quantify, but ultimately if esports follows similar patterns as other sports ML algorithms should be able to provide good results

Quote from: STT on June 19, 2020, 06:07:33 AM

Not in the slightest remote chance is AI or machine learning able to handle the variances of player performance even if it were held in a more regular physical setting of a LAN it would still be incredibly hard to predict. Especially now with most action online even if the teams are together its not a regular performance and CS is managing delays between locations to balance competitive advantage. It matters at the pro level, it will add some effect or disruption for equality and its just another reason why no computer is working it out reliably.
The systems you talk about will be referring to home advantage and all sorts plus just a physical sport has something to map out and human bodies have more of a cycle to their performance so its trackable. Esports is still something requiring real performance and people have their peaks but its really less regular to observe.

You should not only consider the competitions to gather data. Most of these competitors regularly live stream, by analysing their results during these streams you could get a lot of data. But I have no idea if they would be worth something in this case....

In gambling and sports betting there will be so many people who compet and this is like bread and butter for them. We should not just focus on collecting data but we should get proper detail about competitor as we know esports is simple when you really know the game and the players with their strategies. According to me investing on team is better than investing on just player of horse riding etc.

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Quote from: Mauser on June 20, 2020, 01:40:37 AM

Being informed about esports makes sense before betting. But don't forget there is always a huge factors of randomness involved. There is a lot to take into consideration for esport tournaments. For example, are they playing on LAN or Internet. When games are only played on internet like during the corona pandemic factors such as a ping and latency have a huge impact. Having a Dota 2 player being based in North America or Asia, and the rest of the team in Europe creats a lot of problems.

Ping isn't really much of an issue now that most of the tournaments are played online they only allow teams to play in certain servers thats why we see seperate tournaments for each region (EU/CIS,NA/SA,SEA). It's possible to play from other countries but it's very rare to see teams force their players to play knowing that high ping can affect their performance usually they'd get a stand in or a temporary replacement.

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Quote from: blockman on June 20, 2020, 09:58:54 AM

Quote from: GDragon on June 20, 2020, 09:55:16 AM

I think there is no really a specific tips for Esports. Its the same with other gambling games. Play it, know the game you are betting. First hand experience is better because you will have insights on who you think will win, you will have to think for yourself. Another tip is watch youtube matches, know the pro teams and players. I do this in Dota 2. I Listen to the shoutcasters because some explains details about the game or the player that will make me help in betting. You can also read forums about the esports tournament. There will be a lot of opinions on who will win and from there, some will help you decide.

This is what I do. Although the counterpart is even if you don't play the game as long as you understand the mechanics and you know the teams involved and you get to know some part of their backgrounds, that's enough for you to continue betting with any of your chosen esports.
It's also good to follow most of the pro players for that specific esports you follow and get to understand their tips because they're the ones that are playing professionally.

To some extent, esports is much more depended on the skills than many other team sports. I'd put them above team sports along the line of tennis for analytical significance. Collection of data between several teams and placing them by ranking and head to head as well by the game format makes it easier to guess which team would come stronger.

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Quote from: GDragon on June 20, 2020, 09:55:16 AM

I think there is no really a specific tips for Esports. Its the same with other gambling games. Play it, know the game you are betting. First hand experience is better because you will have insights on who you think will win, you will have to think for yourself. Another tip is watch youtube matches, know the pro teams and players. I do this in Dota 2. I Listen to the shoutcasters because some explains details about the game or the player that will make me help in betting. You can also read forums about the esports tournament. There will be a lot of opinions on who will win and from there, some will help you decide.

This is what I do. Although the counterpart is even if you don't play the game as long as you understand the mechanics and you know the teams involved and you get to know some part of their backgrounds, that's enough for you to continue betting with any of your chosen esports.
It's also good to follow most of the pro players for that specific esports you follow and get to understand their tips because they're the ones that are playing professionally.

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I think there is no really a specific tips for Esports. Its the same with other gambling games. Play it, know the game you are betting. First hand experience is better because you will have insights on who you think will win, you will have to think for yourself. Another tip is watch youtube matches, know the pro teams and players. I do this in Dota 2. I Listen to the shoutcasters because some explains details about the game or the player that will make me help in betting. You can also read forums about the esports tournament. There will be a lot of opinions on who will win and from there, some will help you decide.

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Quote from: LbtalkL on June 20, 2020, 12:46:47 AM

I guess there is no trick in esports betting, you just need to be updated and knowledgeable on Esport you are about to bet. Like for an instance on Dota2. If you are watching some online tournaments it is an advantage because you are already familiar with each team gameplay and performance but Dota2 is a competitive game its patch is updated regularly, so the team will figure out which heroes are good on that particular patch. In short, if you are knowledgeable on a certain Esport you have a good chance to select which teams will win.

Being informed about esports makes sense before betting. But don't forget there is always a huge factors of randomness involved. There is a lot to take into consideration for esport tournaments. For example, are they playing on LAN or Internet. When games are only played on internet like during the corona pandemic factors such as a ping and latency have a huge impact. Having a Dota 2 player being based in North America or Asia, and the rest of the team in Europe creats a lot of problems.

I would recommend if you have a lot of insights, make some small high risk bets with a lot high payout. Your losses will be limited and you can spread across more bets.

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I guess there is no trick in esports betting, you just need to be updated and knowledgeable on Esport you are about to bet. Like for an instance on Dota2. If you are watching some online tournaments it is an advantage because you are already familiar with each team gameplay and performance but Dota2 is a competitive game its patch is updated regularly, so the team will figure out which heroes are good on that particular patch. In short, if you are knowledgeable on a certain Esport you have a good chance to select which teams will win.

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Quote from: Barnabe on June 19, 2020, 03:05:34 AM

I would be curious to know if e-sports betting are a good fit for machine learning algorithms. I mean, the data is there, it is quantifiable and should follow the same rules as traditional sports in which this kind of methods is proven to work. Anyone has some information about this topic ?

I haven't heard about that. Yes, esports is the same as the traditional sports as if we're betting for a match. The difference is that it's the computer game matches. I don't understand what's this machine algo that you're describing and how it could be related to esports betting.
If you don't mind, can you give me any background regards to that topic? There should be no algorithm if you're defining to the bettors' side but if there's a deeper meaning into it and that's what you're looking for, I have no idea.

I don't really know the specifics, but I heard several success stories about anticipating outcomes in sports like tennis or horse racing. You have to consider a lot of variables, and some of them will be very difficult to quantify, but ultimately if esports follows similar patterns as other sports ML algorithms should be able to provide good results

Quote from: STT on June 19, 2020, 06:07:33 AM

Not in the slightest remote chance is AI or machine learning able to handle the variances of player performance even if it were held in a more regular physical setting of a LAN it would still be incredibly hard to predict. Especially now with most action online even if the teams are together its not a regular performance and CS is managing delays between locations to balance competitive advantage. It matters at the pro level, it will add some effect or disruption for equality and its just another reason why no computer is working it out reliably.
The systems you talk about will be referring to home advantage and all sorts plus just a physical sport has something to map out and human bodies have more of a cycle to their performance so its trackable. Esports is still something requiring real performance and people have their peaks but its really less regular to observe.

You should not only consider the competitions to gather data. Most of these competitors regularly live stream, by analysing their results during these streams you could get a lot of data. But I have no idea if they would be worth something in this case....

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Quote from: Barnabe on June 19, 2020, 03:05:34 AM

I would be curious to know if e-sports betting are a good fit for machine learning algorithms. I mean, the data is there, it is quantifiable and should follow the same rules as traditional sports in which this kind of methods is proven to work. Anyone has some information about this topic ?

I haven't heard about that. Yes, esports is the same as the traditional sports as if we're betting for a match. The difference is that it's the computer game matches. I don't understand what's this machine algo that you're describing and how it could be related to esports betting.
If you don't mind, can you give me any background regards to that topic? There should be no algorithm if you're defining to the bettors' side but if there's a deeper meaning into it and that's what you're looking for, I have no idea.

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Not in the slightest remote chance is AI or machine learning able to handle the variances of player performance even if it were held in a more regular physical setting of a LAN it would still be incredibly hard to predict. Especially now with most action online even if the teams are together its not a regular performance and CS is managing delays between locations to balance competitive advantage. It matters at the pro level, it will add some effect or disruption for equality and its just another reason why no computer is working it out reliably.
The systems you talk about will be referring to home advantage and all sorts plus just a physical sport has something to map out and human bodies have more of a cycle to their performance so its trackable. Esports is still something requiring real performance and people have their peaks but its really less regular to observe.

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I would be curious to know if e-sports betting are a good fit for machine learning algorithms. I mean, the data is there, it is quantifiable and should follow the same rules as traditional sports in which this kind of methods is proven to work. Anyone has some information about this topic ?

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It's all good, but you can't really win anything with these games. Here, it's like in other sports. The bigger the tournament, the more unrealistic for the bettors to make $$

For example. Finals, semi-finals of the UEFA champions league, FIFA world CUP.
At such matches nobody wins. Simple. It's just the excitement and entertainment at this level

In Dota International same..

Then why don't you just ignore it and just bet on predictable tournaments/events? Problem solved.

Well, I wrote. Mega popular tournaments are unpredictable. Too evenly matched. The best is the medium games... But here we have too little regulation and too much risk of dishonesty...

These mega tournaments are great for betting Competitors and demand double due to lower risk However, not too much profit is achieved Most people play for fun. I also play here occasionally Betting through the lockdown is a much better means of entertainment.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on June 12, 2020, 07:37:26 AM

e-sports for me is also unique because of electronic randomness. Speed of internet at any given time. The function of your keyboard and mouse even!

Ping and latency issues too. One of the reasons why Third world country users have suffered in online multiplayer games which need a quick response time and are unable to get a special ISP sponsorship for a leased line. So you can understand the similarity with the physical sports by the people who control them and e-sports. They cant practice with seasoned players as well.

These things will influence the way bets are made. If they are put on a world stage where the game is on LAN then the ping issue will be gone but they are less likely to have an edge. Still it can differ.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on June 12, 2020, 12:33:59 AM

Then why are you posting here. This is a thread about sports betting and not stock market analysis.

If you say that both need analysis then I agree with you. Sports need a lot of homework from the gambler's part and keeping up with performances and game outcomes is not an easy thing to do everyday and provided the fact that any prediction that you might be a loss makes it even more repulsive.

It is important to seek out some games where most players dont bet in but it is not a guaranteed win trick. You need to know the game and the players. In e-sports this is tougher than a physical sport.

Best to ignore people like them. They are either not reading and posting or worse still even bots.

ALTHOUGH there is a point in some people talking about betting like they trade. I even agree some people who trade like they gamble. Looking for strategies,,, after all sportsbetting and trading also relies a lot on analysis but is still affected by "random" factors. Not random because anything could happen but random because we cannot possibly know how things will happen:)

e-sports for me is also unique because of electronic randomness. Speed of internet at any given time. The function of your keyboard and mouse even!

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Quote from: fortebettor on June 07, 2020, 07:22:34 AM

If you analyze the behavior on the btc stock exchange well and you know the mentality and psychology of people, you can make money. And I'm more of an analyst than a typical stock market

Then why are you posting here. This is a thread about sports betting and not stock market analysis.

If you say that both need analysis then I agree with you. Sports need a lot of homework from the gambler's part and keeping up with performances and game outcomes is not an easy thing to do everyday and provided the fact that any prediction that you might be a loss makes it even more repulsive.

It is important to seek out some games where most players dont bet in but it is not a guaranteed win trick. You need to know the game and the players. In e-sports this is tougher than a physical sport.

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Quote from: fortebettor on June 07, 2020, 07:22:34 AM

You'll never get away with this. But you can use these things. If you analyze the behavior on the btc stock exchange well and you know the mentality and psychology of people, you can make money. And I'm more of an analyst than a typical stock market

I never placed bet on e-sports! I think like you, some people can get away with this and make profit, and
maybe LoL with just 5 vs 5, and Counter Strike with 5 VS 5 is easier to analyze than other games with more
players. If you know how they play and their state you will have advantage!
I should start making bets on e-sports, from recently I started watching my kid and some show about
League of Legends, it's not bad to try betting on kids and their play. Where you can place bet for e-sports?

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