Topic: Trust system abuse / DT2 member Vod is provably dishonestly rating people - page 4. (Read 5840 times)

Vod just abused his power as DT2 member to discredit me with false claims.

He wrote as negativ feedback that i claimed that ThePharmacist scammed me out of 100 BTC !!!!! and that this is a lie.
I never posted something like that and thats clearly a direct attack from VOD with false claims to discredit someone.


Noone is going to tell me that he just put these 100 BTC scam accusation by accident

You're utterly deluded. There is no conspiracy with that quote is all I'm saying but it turned out into a very good indicator of how your logic works. If you don't like something it must be malicious. If somebody doesn't like what you did or said they must be wrong.


Jamaican Fried Chicken, I'm going out of my way to not rate you in any way even though I'm starting to lean towards considering you untrustworthy. You seriously gonna bitch about a neutral now?

Anyways, I'll leave you to it. I think I'd rather go talk to my garage wall, it's more upright and probably less stubborn.

Vod did bad and all you do is defend him no matter what, simultaneously attacking me of course? Got nothing else to say, really? He never acknowledged faking the quote himself, quite the contrary. This is all in there. The fact is that Vod never acknowledged that he faked it himself. He simply said "Looks like the OP was suggesting a post he believes Anadduck should make" and doesn't bother to say that he was the one who attributed the quote to be said by "Anduck". Can you see how Vod is trying to pass the fault on the other guy, not acknowledging he was the one who did it? Funny how this intellectual dishonesty works. Also funny how you are now rating me.

After some time? As opposed to getting a time machine and fixing it before it happened?

I take it as a "yes" then. You're never wrong.

In your opinion. An opinion that is not shared by the rest of the forum.

It was a good suggestion by shahzadafzal, except that I can't agree with it being unethical. It's not unethical for auctioneer to bid on an auction. Other parts of that suggestion I've already said in one form or another, and agree with.

and that was Vod giving you a get out of jail Anduck...

only just seen it in the thread referenced above.

I actually did say this. It was a mistake and won't happen again. It's however not scamming or dishonesty! And still not related to the misuse of DT done by Vod.

Nope. When met with overwhelming consensus on this thread and in the original auction thread that what he did was shady, as well as being told that real auctioneers laughed at the mere suggestion and shown laws that specifically forbid the practice, he comes back with statements like this:


Honestly, if you had come out and said "Hey guys, I made a mistake, won't happen again" I would probably be on your side here given the 2.5 year period since the auction and your otherwise good trading history and trust ratings. Your repeated refusal to even consider any point of view other than your own, despite overwhelming consensus against you, is really not doing you any favors.

Vod was the one who added "Anduck" in there. Vod did not write the quoted text, he attributed it to me. He added that "Anduck" there leading to people think it was said by me. Right? Denying that is stupid, as it's all visible there.

Normally such wouldn't really be seen as malicious, as he after some time acknowledged it as a mistake to think it was said by me, yet he doesn't say a thing about him actually faking the attribution. He admits he thought it was said by me, but not that he was the one who actually did the faking too.

For fuck's sake... yes, I saw that, I was there, remember? Some posters mistakenly interpreted a quote. It was clearly not made up by Vod - there is an unedited post from another user proving that. Vod actually went back to edit the posts where he made the incorrect attribution and explained what happened. That's more than most people would have done, which is typically along the lines "oh shit, LOL" and the thread continues. How you could interpret that situation as something maliciously made up is about as baffling as your insistence on self-bidding being totally never ever dishonest.

You're never wrong, are you? Just checking.

I mostly agree with your input here.

A member of DT has additional responsibility to act fairly when rating others, because those ratings carry additional weight (compared to non-DT). When a DT member acts unfairly and dishonestly, who should do what? Or should it just be ignored?

I also do respect Vod for the unquestionable work he has done to improve the forums. I disrespect him for acting dishonestly regarding this case between me and him, and him leveraging his DT position unfairly against me over a personal issue. Again, this auction has little to do with the rating Vod placed on me. The rating is a result of blackmailing attempt Vod did against me, with a mix of huge ego.

And I do agree with you about the auction section clarifications, even though that's off-topic for this thread.

See this? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39392188
Anyway, funny thing is that this is the least to complain about Vod's actions. And this is the only thing you grip on off those. Regardless of his semi-backpedaling, faking an attribution of some random quote is totally idiotic. He is claiming that someone else fake-attributed it and he just fell for it. ("Not a fake quote by Vod" when everyone can see that he placed that "Anduck" in there!)

For one thing, I haven't gone back to that original thread where you and Vod were discussing this after he'd left his feedback.  I recall getting the impression when I first read it that there was something fishy afoot but don't remember what it was. 

For another thing, not every drama that happens on bitcointalk immediately becomes my issue.  I don't get paid to be on DT, and most of the tags I leave on users are for account selling/buying.  I'm not required to right every wrong here, and it wouldn't be possible to do so anyway. 

I have great respect for Vod, as he's done outstanding work in warning people about scammers through the feedback he's left and if you think he's left feedback (or part of a feedback) unfairly, ultimately that's between you and him.  I'm not going to neg Vod if he made a mistake in one of his feeedbacks, nor would I leave you a counter-positive as actmyname did, because I think what you did in your auction was wrong.

We could argue till the end of time whether bidding on your own auctions is ethical, but I'm not going to change your mind on that and I'm not changing my opinion of it either. 

The Auction section really should devise a set of rules--instead of "suggestions"--that members need to abide by so as to avoid situations like this in the future.  We've got people from all over the world, and a practice that's acceptable in Finland might be baffling (or considered untrustworthy) to other members from other countries.  There are no written community standards or rules in place (as far as I can see), and that should be rectified.

Which he removed and added an explanation:


Even you weren't sure 100% at one point:

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Again, a post that Vod edited to explain what happened:

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Just give it up already, you're grasping at very flimsy straws here.

He placed the "Anduck" in that quote. He claimed someone else did it. He still based his reasons on that quote, even though he acknowledged it's fake. I did give him benefit of doubt as it was likely a honest mistake by him, but after he didn't really show any hint of it being a mistake, it's hard to give him that doubt anymore.

Who placed the "Anduck" in that quote if it wasn't Vod? Nobody attributed that quote to be said by me, until Vod wrote that "Anduck" in it.

And here Vod is denying attributing the quote to me.

See shit like this is why I wouldn't trust you. It's very obvious that this quote was made up by another user with no bad intentions and then got misquoted. I got fooled by it too and asked if it was correct. Yet you keep insisting that Vod made it up when there is proof to the contrary just a few posts above that:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39391773

Thanks for weighing in.

Did the Barrett-Jackson auction house representative tell you why owners wouldn't be permitted bidding?
I think it's already clear to all of us that there are different standards around the world related to auctions. In my country, in the local auction houses, it's perfectly normal if the owner bids on the item. As has been explained several times, being the owner of the item doesn't increase or decrease ones ability to act as a bidder too. The rules are same for everyone. In this one case 2-3 years ago, it was not stated whether the auction had reserve or no reserve, and lead to some confusion. This has been hashed for quite some time now. It should also be clear that self-bidding is in no way dishonesty or scamming, and stating whether there's a reserve or no reserve is the correct practice as there's no universal "default".

That auction is not even related to the topic of this thread, and vaguely related to the rating itself. Vods rating towards me is not due to some auction. Vod rated me red, because he promised to do so if I didn't bend to his blackmailing. It's that simple and proofs are publicly available. This auction thing is simply the only tool Vod found to be remotely useful to suit his action.
Additionally, his rating contains this lie "Also admitted to me in PM he lied about this matter" -- this has not happened. I've asked Vod to present this PM several times, but he can't -- obviously because he would need to fake it. He already did fake a quote, so it wouldn't surprise me. See how Vod first makes up a quote, claims it was said by me, then goes back and say it was not said by me but someone else faked it (when he faked it (attributed the quote to me) himself), and then still keeps on reasoning his actions based on that fake quote..
Obviously some 1.5 years old auction (at the time of Vod rating me red) is not the root of this rating. It's all presented in this thread, follow the links, e.g. this. Whenever Vod claims I've done something, please try to find out the proof for that. There's always nothing. E.g. when he claims that I told Vod I trust him. That hasn't happened. E.g. when Vod claims I've admitted lying. That hasn't happened. E.g. when Vod claims I've lied. That hasn't happened. There's simply nothing to back any of those claims except Vod's words.

OgNasty, we both know that half of the DT are inactive, been for years. It's not like they're going to come read this single case of wrongdoing, and it's not like they're going to remove Vod because of it. Vod has done much good for the forum, so is one wrongdoing worth it to nullify all that, in their eyes?

I spoke with the people at the Barrett-Jackson auction house today. While talking, I asked them this question. Their representative laughed at me and assured me that no owners would be permitted to bid on their own items. Barrett-Jackson is the most popular auctioneer I’ve ever heard of, so I think we can use them as a metric for what is or is not acceptable. As someone who has attended similar auctions dating as far back as the 80s, I would agree that this is the expectation of those involved.

Now that qualified experts have weighed in, the real issue here is whether or not Vod should be in DT2. I would recommend Anduck reach out to those who have added him for an explanation regarding this topic. However, since the feedback seems to be in line with expert opinion, the only thing left to really examine is how long after a misdeed it is appropriate to leave feedback. This is in my opinion the proper debate here.

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