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November 12, 2023, 03:38:45 PM
Fenerbahçe managed to draw away to Adana Demirspor and equalize the points with Galatasaray. Adana Demirspor away is now a tough away game for every team, so every point is important for the teams, but Fenerbahçe missed the chance to get 3 points during the national break. Dzeko wasted a lot of chances and Fenerbahçe missed out on 3 points. Adana Demirspor's goalkeeper, on the other hand, was really the man of the match today. Thanks to goalkeeper Ertaç, Adana Demirspor avoided defeat. Fenerbahce had the right to win the game and they had no problem getting into positions from the beginning to the end, but luck was not on their side.
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November 12, 2023, 03:25:56 PM
With both teams losing points, Fenerbahçe got the leadership with goal difference, but it looks like its a fickle one, doesn't look that great. The fact that they won every single game so far, and then failed to win the last three games proves that there is some fatigue and injury issues, they need to realize that its a whole season long thing and can't keep this up. Galatasaray on the other hand looks like they had some unlucky streak at finishing, and they need to fix that asap, they lost to Hatay, they shouldn't have lost to them, they were much better team, but once again missed many goal chances, story of their games for many times in a row now, they need to figure out whats wrong. We come to the last very bit, until finding a shot, and then we shoot terribly, we need to fix that quickly if we want to win.
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November 12, 2023, 03:37:43 AM
Gaziantep took three points with three goals away from Alanyaspor to continue their good start. On the contrary, Alanyaspor was defeated in this match and managed to continue its out of form trend. Alanyaspor, which went well in the first weeks and started the league well, has obviously not been able to end its bad run by not even winning in the last 7.08 weeks. It seems that Fatih Tekke and his team, who need to come to their senses, need to recover as soon as possible and find the mistakes they made. Alanyaspor, who had one win and four draws in the first five weeks, managed to get six defeats and one win in the last seven weeks.
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November 11, 2023, 11:59:26 PM
Galatasaray suffered its first defeat in the Super League. We played well but it didn't happen.
We must all be shocked and cannot believe that Galatasaray could experience defeat against Hatayspor, which is team that is not too strong in the Turkish Super League.
But this is surprise that can always happen at any time and is experienced by any team, from their match, Galatasaray was actually far ahead because they dominated the game and their attack strategy was really mastered, but somehow this defeat happened.

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Fenerbahçe will play against Adana Demirspor tomorrow. Fenerbahçe may lose points. Adana Demirspor is one of the best teams in the league.
The match will take place today but somehow there is some belief that Fenerbahce can win this match, even though Adana Demirspor has home match but Fenerbahce is not weak team so the opportunity to get full points is still wide open.
This may be difficult match for some people to predict, but what Fenerbahce has achieved so far means there are several convincing supporting factors for them to win.

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I can't say anything about the Beşiktaş-Başakşehir game, but it will be Rıza Çalımbay's first game, coaches usually win the first games.

I not really interested in Besiktas vs Basaksehir because it clear who is the favorite and Besiktas chances of winning are very high.
Moreover, Basaksehir is lower team and this match gives very low Odds for Besiktas.
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November 11, 2023, 07:52:49 PM
games from this round left me very surprised, I'm talking about Galatasaray's game against Hatayspor. I was even thinking about betting on this game, I was planning to bet on Galatasaray and suddenly I had to leave the house and when I came back I completely forgot about this game. It's strange that I rarely forget to bet on a game that I've already analyzed, but today I forgot. and I thought that Galatasaray would win easily in this game, because they were playing against an opponent who had bad results with 3 consecutive defeats and they needed to win this game to distance themselves from Fenerbahce who are in second place, and the odds for this game in case Galatasaray won it would be a very good odds

but a little while ago when I remembered this game and went to see it thinking that maybe the game would be played tomorrow, I saw that the game was over and that Galatasaray lost and I was thinking: what the hell happened in that game? Could it be that the Galatasaray players are tired from having gone to Germany to play against Bayern and then playing this game?

because this defeat is strange. They played against Bayern and only conceded 2 goals even though they were playing against a team with a very strong attack, but in this game, playing against a team that has conceded a lot of goals, at least 2 goals in each game, Galatasaray were unable to score 2 goals in this game, strange, and they also conceded 2 goals. It looks like they were very tired, I prefer to think that way. It would have been a waste of money if I had bet on them, I'm glad that at least I didn't lose money. With their defeat, if Fenerbahce wins in today's game, they could be in first place

but knowing that Fenerbahce's opponent is an opponent who is also doing very well this season, so I predict that it will be a very difficult game for Fenerbahce who come into this game with a defeat, while their opponent has not lost in 2 games . It's a very complicated game, I wouldn't risk betting on this game, because I won't be surprised by a draw in this game, Fenerbahce also lost in the European Champions League game, conceded two goals and didn't score a goal, if their players If they are exhausted due to many games, then their situation will only get worse, so I see a draw. But I also won't be surprised by defeat
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November 11, 2023, 07:27:27 PM
Galatasaray suffered its first defeat in the Super League. We played well but it didn't happen.

Fenerbahçe will play against Adana Demirspor tomorrow. Fenerbahçe may lose points. Adana Demirspor is one of the best teams in the league.

I can't say anything about the Beşiktaş-Başakşehir game, but it will be Rıza Çalımbay's first game, coaches usually win the first games.
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November 11, 2023, 06:44:01 PM
To be honest I didn't expect Hatayspor to be the team to stop Galatasaray finally after so many weeks. Galatasaray's performance wasn't good in the first half. Unlike that they really tried in the second half. There was a really high level domination. However they still got behind and couldn't even get one point.

This is good news for Fenerbahçe of course. After they lost to Trabzonspor unexpectedly they really needed Galatasaray to lose points too. However their job is also going to be really challenging against Adana Demirspor. They aren't in a good form now after the Ludogorets loss as well. I hope we can finish this bad streak.
After initially playing eleven matches without a defeat, Galatasaray suffered a shocking defeat in the hands of Hatayspor in their Turkish Super Lig game today. I think Galatasaray players weren't too fit today because of the fact that they have their all during the midweek game in the UEFA Champions League against Bayern but couldn't stop the German champions to win that game.
Fenerbahce who play away to Adana Demirspor tomorrow will be happy with Galatasaray's defeat today because a win in their game tomorrow will make them reclaim the top spot.
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November 11, 2023, 06:35:57 PM
To be honest I didn't expect Hatayspor to be the team to stop Galatasaray finally after so many weeks. Galatasaray's performance wasn't good in the first half. Unlike that they really tried in the second half. There was a really high level domination. However they still got behind and couldn't even get one point.

This is good news for Fenerbahçe of course. After they lost to Trabzonspor unexpectedly they really needed Galatasaray to lose points too. However their job is also going to be really challenging against Adana Demirspor. They aren't in a good form now after the Ludogorets loss as well. I hope we can finish this bad streak.
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November 11, 2023, 04:43:20 PM
Volkan Demirel prepared the team for this match and it was a very good match for the team, once again winning the match. Volkan Demirel worked well in depth and managed to get three points from us. Three points were very valuable, maybe Okan Buruk will learn from this, the team is a little startled after this defeat and they can even survive because it is good for them to recover.

I would like to open a separate parenthesis for Kerem, he plays very unbalanced and he has clear opportunities that he does not miss, I do not know whether we should give more chances to such a player. I am not saying this as an excuse for the offer that was not given.
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November 11, 2023, 03:23:28 PM
In the first match of the day, we watched the Kasımpaşa-Kayserispor match. It was a match with many goals. While there were 7 goals in total in the match, the away team Kayserispor won the match 4-3 and got 3 points. Kayserispor is in good form and with this win they managed to catch a winning streak by winning 4 consecutive matches. We can say that the match was literally in the middle because both teams managed to get into plenty of positions. As a result, we saw plenty of goals in the match.
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November 11, 2023, 03:06:07 PM

Meanwhile, Galatasaray are losing 2-1 to Hatayspor. Only 5 minutes left for this match and Fenerbahçe has a good chance to take the lead again if its end with this score.

We played two tough games against Bayern Munich and we didn't get points from both of those games. I think the Galatasaray players were mentally worn out in this process. I think we deserved to lose today. If we continue to have problems focusing on the league, we may lose more games. We also have to mention Volkan Demirel, the coach of Hatayspor. He prepared Hatayspor well against Galatasaray. He made good use of all Galatasaray's weaknesses.

Fenerbahçe will play Adana Demirspor tomorrow. They have a chance to take back the league lead in this match. Even if they get 1 point, they will be the new league leaders.
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November 11, 2023, 01:54:37 PM
Today, Beşiktaş Burak Yılmaz announced that he resigned. Immediately afterwards, the news came that Riza Çalımbay was appointed as the head of the team. Rıza Çalımbay, in his first statements, said how important the support of the fans is and how happy he will be to be in this team.
A new era is starting for Beşiktaş, I hope they will soon become a team that can play much better and can achieve success both in Europe and in our country Smiley

They think they can solve the problems just by changing the manager. I don't think this solves anything. Beşiktaş have structural problems. They are trying to save the day with short-term changes. But they need to think more professionally. I think Rıza Çalımbay will not solve the problems either.

This week Fenerbahçe will play away to Adana Demirspor. I think they will lose points again this week. Adana Demirspor are a better team than Trabzonspor. And they get good results in home matches. Fenerbahçe may take another wound in the race for the league title.
I don't think nobody who is even slightly a logical person expects Rıza Çalımbay's coming is going to solve anything. As you said it is obvious that there are deep problems within the team and the whole club. This is indeed a short-term solution but it is not possible to be a good one. But almost anyone is better than Burak Yılmaz who was just playing football last year. It is also impossible that a person like Burak could be a good coach for Beşiktaş in these crisis times. Only a veteran coach like Rıza Çalımbay can make things slightly better with his experience. Nobody expects a miracle, including Rıza Çalımbay or club management. We will probably see bad results still but at least there will be more discipline, I hope.

For years, the only person I would like to see in charge of Beşiktaş in bad times is Yılmaz Vural. He is the only one who can teach the necessary lesson to the players who cannot deserve to be part of this team Smiley
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Meanwhile, Galatasaray are losing 2-1 to Hatayspor. Only 5 minutes left for this match and Fenerbahçe has a good chance to take the lead again if its end with this score.
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November 11, 2023, 09:39:18 AM
Today, Beşiktaş Burak Yılmaz announced that he resigned. Immediately afterwards, the news came that Riza Çalımbay was appointed as the head of the team. Rıza Çalımbay, in his first statements, said how important the support of the fans is and how happy he will be to be in this team.
A new era is starting for Beşiktaş, I hope they will soon become a team that can play much better and can achieve success both in Europe and in our country Smiley

They think they can solve the problems just by changing the manager. I don't think this solves anything. Beşiktaş have structural problems. They are trying to save the day with short-term changes. But they need to think more professionally. I think Rıza Çalımbay will not solve the problems either.

This week Fenerbahçe will play away to Adana Demirspor. I think they will lose points again this week. Adana Demirspor are a better team than Trabzonspor. And they get good results in home matches. Fenerbahçe may take another wound in the race for the league title.
I don't think nobody who is even slightly a logical person expects Rıza Çalımbay's coming is going to solve anything. As you said it is obvious that there are deep problems within the team and the whole club. This is indeed a short-term solution but it is not possible to be a good one. But almost anyone is better than Burak Yılmaz who was just playing football last year. It is also impossible that a person like Burak could be a good coach for Beşiktaş in these crisis times. Only a veteran coach like Rıza Çalımbay can make things slightly better with his experience. Nobody expects a miracle, including Rıza Çalımbay or club management. We will probably see bad results still but at least there will be more discipline, I hope.
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November 10, 2023, 05:48:38 PM
Today, Beşiktaş Burak Yılmaz announced that he resigned. Immediately afterwards, the news came that Riza Çalımbay was appointed as the head of the team. Rıza Çalımbay, in his first statements, said how important the support of the fans is and how happy he will be to be in this team.
A new era is starting for Beşiktaş, I hope they will soon become a team that can play much better and can achieve success both in Europe and in our country Smiley

They think they can solve the problems just by changing the manager. I don't think this solves anything. Beşiktaş have structural problems. They are trying to save the day with short-term changes. But they need to think more professionally. I think Rıza Çalımbay will not solve the problems either.

This week Fenerbahçe will play away to Adana Demirspor. I think they will lose points again this week. Adana Demirspor are a better team than Trabzonspor. And they get good results in home matches. Fenerbahçe may take another wound in the race for the league title.

Rıza Çalımbay has a history with Beşiktaş as a manager as well. It was nearly 20 years ago. And now he is back at the team with the same role. However just as you said the main issue has never been the manager. As long as Beşiktaş chairman doesn't change they can't magically make a big progress no matter who they bring to the manager position.

Beşiktaş fans must be hoping not to see ANÇ even as a candidate for the upcoming election. If he does and gets elected once again then I can't imagine the level of criticism targeting him. I have seen some news saying that he won't be a candidate but we will see.
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November 10, 2023, 01:47:55 PM
Today, Beşiktaş Burak Yılmaz announced that he resigned. Immediately afterwards, the news came that Riza Çalımbay was appointed as the head of the team. Rıza Çalımbay, in his first statements, said how important the support of the fans is and how happy he will be to be in this team.
A new era is starting for Beşiktaş, I hope they will soon become a team that can play much better and can achieve success both in Europe and in our country Smiley

They think they can solve the problems just by changing the manager. I don't think this solves anything. Beşiktaş have structural problems. They are trying to save the day with short-term changes. But they need to think more professionally. I think Rıza Çalımbay will not solve the problems either.

This week Fenerbahçe will play away to Adana Demirspor. I think they will lose points again this week. Adana Demirspor are a better team than Trabzonspor. And they get good results in home matches. Fenerbahçe may take another wound in the race for the league title.
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November 10, 2023, 01:14:26 PM
Today, Beşiktaş Burak Yılmaz announced that he resigned. Immediately afterwards, the news came that Riza Çalımbay was appointed as the head of the team. Rıza Çalımbay, in his first statements, said how important the support of the fans is and how happy he will be to be in this team.
A new era is starting for Beşiktaş, I hope they will soon become a team that can play much better and can achieve success both in Europe and in our country Smiley
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November 09, 2023, 07:18:08 PM
Let me explain it exactly this way.

Players earn based on Euros.
Super league payments are TL.
Teams pay players in EURO. So the earnings are in TL but the payments are in EURO.
Teams earn EURO only from the European League. I hope I explained it correctly. Smiley

Fenerbahçe's series ended tonight. They will play against Adanademirspor next week and it will be tough in this game.
Thanks for the clarification but then it is also true what I pointed out in terms of the players' salaries decreasing in value due to inflation in Turkey. Normally nobody would be thinking about it, but since the inflation is so high and way higher than 50%, it means that players who negotiated their salary one year ago now essentially earn less than half in terms of euro value. Because most of the international players do not really invest their money in Turkey, or at least not most of it. They probably buy houses and other assets in European countries where the euro is the currency.
I mean the players are getting paid in euro, so why inflation? You are still thinking like the players are getting paid in Lira, and that's not true, he has explained to you in detail that the player is getting paid in euro. So for example Icardi is getting paid 10 million euro a year, that means no amount of inflation in turkish lira means anything to him, it was 10 million last year ,it's 10 million this year, that has been the case forever and will keep being like that.

The players even the Turkish good ones, get paid in EURO, once again PLAYERS GET PAID IN EURO, that part is very important, teams earn in lira, but players earn in euro, which means that inflation doesn't matter to them. In fact, due to inflation, they get richer during the season.

No, it depends on what is written in the contract. If the contract is written in TL

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Teams pay players in EURO. So the earnings are in TL but the payments are in EURO.

it would mean that in case of inflation in Turkey > inflation in Europe, the teams get less EUR for their TL and can therefore pay less EUR to their players while sticking to the agreed upon sum of TL. My question is therefore: are negotiations and contracts signed in EUR or in TL? Because if a player is promised to be paid 100 million TL, it is still less in EUR when the TL loses purchasing power.
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November 09, 2023, 04:01:56 PM
It is exactly the truth that the inflation problem in Turkey isn't a big problem for most of the football players. Especially the foreign talented players at big teams are the most comfortable ones indeed. The guaranteed way not to be affected negatively from the high inflation rate in Turkey is to make money in foreign currency in short.



Galatasaray are coming back to the Super League after a 2-1 Bayern Munich defeat. The players must be sad to miss the chance of stealing at least one point from their strong opponent. But it was still not a humiliating loss at least. I expect them to leave this match behind for now and concentrate on the Hatayspor match.

Hatayspor aren't in good condition for a couple of weeks. They lost their last 3 matches. I think Galatasaray will boost their morale by getting a win here which will secure their lead for the week as well.
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November 09, 2023, 01:42:52 PM
Let me explain it exactly this way.

Players earn based on Euros.
Super league payments are TL.
Teams pay players in EURO. So the earnings are in TL but the payments are in EURO.
Teams earn EURO only from the European League. I hope I explained it correctly. Smiley

Fenerbahçe's series ended tonight. They will play against Adanademirspor next week and it will be tough in this game.
Thanks for the clarification but then it is also true what I pointed out in terms of the players' salaries decreasing in value due to inflation in Turkey. Normally nobody would be thinking about it, but since the inflation is so high and way higher than 50%, it means that players who negotiated their salary one year ago now essentially earn less than half in terms of euro value. Because most of the international players do not really invest their money in Turkey, or at least not most of it. They probably buy houses and other assets in European countries where the euro is the currency.
I mean the players are getting paid in euro, so why inflation? You are still thinking like the players are getting paid in Lira, and that's not true, he has explained to you in detail that the player is getting paid in euro. So for example Icardi is getting paid 10 million euro a year, that means no amount of inflation in turkish lira means anything to him, it was 10 million last year ,it's 10 million this year, that has been the case forever and will keep being like that.

The players even the Turkish good ones, get paid in EURO, once again PLAYERS GET PAID IN EURO, that part is very important, teams earn in lira, but players earn in euro, which means that inflation doesn't matter to them. In fact, due to inflation, they get richer during the season.
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November 09, 2023, 04:24:36 AM

I have never thought about soccer and salaries in Turkey from this angle, but you are very correct! I checked the inflation rates and they keep exploding and if someone signed a contract with (converted) 5 million euros annually, those 5 million euros are now worth less than 2.5 million euros. That is insane and this must be one consideration that players have to factor in when they sign contracts in countries with economically unstable conditions.

@MK-74 are you sure that the contracts are hard-based on TL? Or do you think that especially for European players, the player's management would negotiate a contract that states the salary in euros? Because otherwise what you described would have severe financial consequences.

But back to soccer, it must have been a while since we had such a fierce competition at the top between two clubs. Both Gala and Fener are on fire.

Let me explain it exactly this way.

Players earn based on Euros.
Super league payments are TL.
Teams pay players in EURO. So the earnings are in TL but the payments are in EURO.
Teams earn EURO only from the European League. I hope I explained it correctly. Smiley

Fenerbahçe's series ended tonight. They will play against Adanademirspor next week and it will be tough in this game.

Thanks for the clarification but then it is also true what I pointed out in terms of the players' salaries decreasing in value due to inflation in Turkey. Normally nobody would be thinking about it, but since the inflation is so high and way higher than 50%, it means that players who negotiated their salary one year ago now essentially earn less than half in terms of euro value. Because most of the international players do not really invest their money in Turkey, or at least not most of it. They probably buy houses and other assets in European countries where the euro is the currency.
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