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When it was announced that he was gonna be with Ngannou, the vids of Steven Seagal 'teaching' Anderson Silva the front kick suddenly popped in my mind.  It could be exactly the same thing.  I mean at the end of it all, Fury vs Ngannou is an expensive dog and pony show.

Yes you are right that mate furry vs ngannou will be a expensive fight as we are all know that this fight is one of the satisfied to watch and also for sure everywhere in the world that can access this fight will do a live stream. And for sure both fighters will has their own preferred highlights for this match. Some of a gamblers will choose Tyson furry to win this match but I think this is a hard fight as we all know that ngannou is a tough fighter.
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Imho, the fact that he was a boxer, does not mean he can be a good coach. Punching people is one thing, but seeing everything (opponent) from different angle, building strategy, planning, training is different.


It's different when you have someone in your corner who's been there and have one everything, Mike can impart some of his skill in the ring but of course, Mike Tyson is different from Ngannou, in Mike Tyson's heydays he has no strategy he just goes there and goes for the kill, he believes that everyone has a plan until they get hit, so if Mike can teach how to throw a more powerful punch and hit the target at the right time, Ngannou has a good chance, checking the poll here it's a close one, but we have a long way to go, and there's plenty of time for Mike to teach Ngannou everything he knows.


Tyson   - 19 (54.3%)
Ngannou   - 16 (45.7%)
Draw   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 35

The Poll is superhype as there are lots of posters who voted for Ngannou to win when in reality his chance of winning is very slim. As what their betting odds have refelected;

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Favorite   Odds   Underdog   Odds
Tyson Fury   -1,000   Francis Ngannou   +600
https://www.covers.com/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-odds

The kind of odds Fury had is an odds that 99% of the time would hit.  Smiley

And if we convert that -1000 to chances, it will reflect 90.9 implied probability.

https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html
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Imho, the fact that he was a boxer, does not mean he can be a good coach. Punching people is one thing, but seeing everything (opponent) from different angle, building strategy, planning, training is different.


It's different when you have someone in your corner who's been there and have one everything, Mike can impart some of his skill in the ring but of course, Mike Tyson is different from Ngannou, in Mike Tyson's heydays he has no strategy he just goes there and goes for the kill, he believes that everyone has a plan until they get hit, so if Mike can teach how to throw a more powerful punch and hit the target at the right time, Ngannou has a good chance, checking the poll here it's a close one, but we have a long way to go, and there's plenty of time for Mike to teach Ngannou everything he knows.


Tyson   - 19 (54.3%)
Ngannou   - 16 (45.7%)
Draw   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 35
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Oh for sure Mike Tyson will make Ngannou's corner look better as he's the real deal while Steven Seagal is more of an actor than a fighter.  But I heard he's pretty popular in Brazil.  Kinda like a folk hero among the people.  Not sure tho...  If there are any Brazilians out there please tell us what's up with Steven Seagal in your country.  

And this is now getting off the rail, but have you guys heard of the Steven Seagal story when he sht his pants?  Just search 'Steven Seagal and Gene Lebell fight'.  That should give you all the details.  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvGpkqpUeg (https://youtu.be/1-ynfOMi0Jo?t=130 best moment)

Dont joke with Steven. He should be in Francis corner.
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Even with Mike Tyson in his corner I cannot see Fury losing the fight. Trainers can have a massive impact on the mindset of the fighter, it can give them a big psychological edge and we must not forget if there are two big strong men in a ring either of them is capable of hitting the other hard enough to make them fall down if they land a punch in the right place.

A combination of the poverty-stricken background that Ngannou came from and his sheer will to survive and thrive, alongside having Mike Tyson by his side is not going to be enough to beat Fury but it should make it a very interesting fight.

The latest news is Mike Tyson agreed to train Ngannou in his up and coming fight against Tyson Fury, he followed his promise that he would train Ngannou if he had a boxing match coming and this is it, Ngannou had a big knock out punch if Mike can train him to polish his boxing skill and put a good timing in his punches he has a good chance of beating Tyson Fury.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-30621303

With all due respect to Tyson (I hope I'm wrong), he has little to teach Ngannou. It's like Usain Bolt training Ngannou to run faster. Tyson is unique, and what he could do is not suitable for others, I highly doubt that Ngannou will be able to repeat those combinations with closing the distance or any of those Tyson punches. Although if he builds a strategic plan for Ngannou and he adjusts it to his physical capabilities, then the chances will appear.

The 'Mike Tyson with Ngannou's corner' thing looks like it's just a gimmick to get more eyes in the build up for the event.  Mike Tyson is a house hold name, wouldn't hurt to pay him whatever his fee is and have him around you during press conferences, open work outs and what not.

When it was announced that he was gonna be with Ngannou, the vids of Steven Seagal 'teaching' Anderson Silva the front kick suddenly popped in my mind.  It could be exactly the same thing.  I mean at the end of it all, Fury vs Ngannou is an expensive dog and pony show.

I laughed so hard right now that all got attention of every colleague at the office. I almost forgot about that vid Grin But jokes aside, Seagal helped train Brazilian mixed martial artist Lyoto Machida, who credited Seagal for helping him perfect the front kick that he used to knock out Randy Couture at UFC 129 in May 2011.

Anyway, Tyson in the corner looks better than aikido expert in mma fighters corner. Aikido seems completely useless in contact combat sport, because its goals are to protect and dont let attacker get injured. Completely opposite what fighters want. Tyson could only prepare Ngannou mentally, because he is a boxer, not a coach. That is it. Dont know what he can suggest during training? Only keep pushing Ngannou for more reps or rounds.

Oh for sure Mike Tyson will make Ngannou's corner look better as he's the real deal while Steven Seagal is more of an actor than a fighter.  But I heard he's pretty popular in Brazil.  Kinda like a folk hero among the people.  Not sure tho...  If there are any Brazilians out there please tell us what's up with Steven Seagal in your country.  

And this is now getting off the rail, but have you guys heard of the Steven Seagal story when he sht his pants?  Just search 'Steven Seagal and Gene Lebell fight'.  That should give you all the details.  Grin
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You've got to give credit to Mike Tyson he is involved with these two fighters one fighter was named after him and he has a close association with the other fighter so getting him involved will add spice to the event, we never know but Mike could be involved in a thrash talk too, you know the Furys they want to hype any events where they are involved so we'll see in the press conferences if there's going to be thrash talks.
But I'm sure people will watch this not only for the boxing but for the dramas that come along with it.

It might turn that Mike will be the one to trashtalk with Fury, because I think Francis English level isnt good enough to parry creative insults and jokes that Fury gonna throw. Fury is a master of making fun of his opponents. And if you are not a native speaker, it will be hard not to lose that battle. How long Francis has been studying English? Probably around 5 years. It will be hard for Francis to parry something like "three piece and a soda" kind of joke.

Haha, I don't believe he's so desperate that he would hire someone solely for the purpose of trash talking. It's possible that his intentions go beyond just that – he might also be seeking insights from Mike Tyson on how to excel in boxing. Considering Tyson's status as one of the greats from the past, this could be a way to gain valuable knowledge. However, time will tell; regardless of their decision, I'm confident it will be geared towards enhancing the upcoming fight. As we can see from the current situation, the fight gained more attention once Mike Tyson's name became involved.

That would be even more humiliating if he would have a translator. I can already make two jokes about that Cheesy (like cant speak for himself aka not a man, or is that your mama that speaks instead of you).

"Valuable knowledge" you say. But I would say that boxing is different from the way boxing was 20 years ago, when Mike fought. I would call it hits, than knowledge. In general, does Mike really helps Ngannou, or he has helped him several times or there are few vids of them together, and media already pumped that as Mike "Iron Mike" Tyson is preparing Francis Ngannou for a fight.

Imho, the fact that he was a boxer, does not mean he can be a good coach. Punching people is one thing, but seeing everything (opponent) from different angle, building strategy, planning, training is different.
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You've got to give credit to Mike Tyson he is involved with these two fighters one fighter was named after him and he has a close association with the other fighter so getting him involved will add spice to the event, we never know but Mike could be involved in a thrash talk too, you know the Furys they want to hype any events where they are involved so we'll see in the press conferences if there's going to be thrash talks.
But I'm sure people will watch this not only for the boxing but for the dramas that come along with it.

It might turn that Mike will be the one to trashtalk with Fury, because I think Francis English level isnt good enough to parry creative insults and jokes that Fury gonna throw. Fury is a master of making fun of his opponents. And if you are not a native speaker, it will be hard not to lose that battle. How long Francis has been studying English? Probably around 5 years. It will be hard for Francis to parry something like "three piece and a soda" kind of joke.

Haha, I don't believe he's so desperate that he would hire someone solely for the purpose of trash talking. It's possible that his intentions go beyond just that – he might also be seeking insights from Mike Tyson on how to excel in boxing. Considering Tyson's status as one of the greats from the past, this could be a way to gain valuable knowledge. However, time will tell; regardless of their decision, I'm confident it will be geared towards enhancing the upcoming fight. As we can see from the current situation, the fight gained more attention once Mike Tyson's name became involved.
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You've got to give credit to Mike Tyson he is involved with these two fighters one fighter was named after him and he has a close association with the other fighter so getting him involved will add spice to the event, we never know but Mike could be involved in a thrash talk too, you know the Furys they want to hype any events where they are involved so we'll see in the press conferences if there's going to be thrash talks.
But I'm sure people will watch this not only for the boxing but for the dramas that come along with it.

It might turn that Mike will be the one to trashtalk with Fury, because I think Francis English level isnt good enough to parry creative insults and jokes that Fury gonna throw. Fury is a master of making fun of his opponents. And if you are not a native speaker, it will be hard not to lose that battle. How long Francis has been studying English? Probably around 5 years. It will be hard for Francis to parry something like "three piece and a soda" kind of joke.
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The 'Mike Tyson with Ngannou's corner' thing looks like it's just a gimmick to get more eyes in the build up for the event.  Mike Tyson is a house hold name, wouldn't hurt to pay him whatever his fee is and have him around you during press conferences, open work outs and what not.

When it was announced that he was gonna be with Ngannou, the vids of Steven Seagal 'teaching' Anderson Silva the front kick suddenly popped in my mind.  It could be exactly the same thing.  I mean at the end of it all, Fury vs Ngannou is an expensive dog and pony show.

You've got to give credit to Mike Tyson he is involved with these two fighters one fighter was named after him and he has a close association with the other fighter so getting him involved will add spice to the event, we never know but Mike could be involved in a thrash talk too, you know the Furys they want to hype any events where they are involved so we'll see in the press conferences if there's going to be thrash talks.
But I'm sure people will watch this not only for the boxing but for the dramas that come along with it.

Ok, thanks for this info, that's why I hear or read that says Iron Mike says that this fight is not lopsided as majority has been thinking because he will be in the corner of Francis Ngannou.

So it's a good hype for this fight, and they need a lot of it. Boxing fans are not totally sold on Francis Ngannou fighting Tyson Fury as his first fight as pro boxing. Yes, he could have the power,  but Fury is known to have a good chin and good defense that I doubt that Francis can land a solid blow.
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The 'Mike Tyson with Ngannou's corner' thing looks like it's just a gimmick to get more eyes in the build up for the event.  Mike Tyson is a house hold name, wouldn't hurt to pay him whatever his fee is and have him around you during press conferences, open work outs and what not.

When it was announced that he was gonna be with Ngannou, the vids of Steven Seagal 'teaching' Anderson Silva the front kick suddenly popped in my mind.  It could be exactly the same thing.  I mean at the end of it all, Fury vs Ngannou is an expensive dog and pony show.

You've got to give credit to Mike Tyson he is involved with these two fighters one fighter was named after him and he has a close association with the other fighter so getting him involved will add spice to the event, we never know but Mike could be involved in a thrash talk too, you know the Furys they want to hype any events where they are involved so we'll see in the press conferences if there's going to be thrash talks.
But I'm sure people will watch this not only for the boxing but for the dramas that come along with it.
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Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman is a perfect example. Two big strong men in the ring have the ability to win by virtue of connecting one solid punch and winning by way of knockout. It does not mean the favourite will win and it does not mean the best will win. I do however expect Fury to win.

Are you writing contradictory things or am I not understanding something? There is always a chance for a lucky punch, and as they say above, if Tyson teaches Ngannou some tricks, then his chances will become even a little higher. It seems to me that Ngannou should bet precisely on this - he will give his best in the first two rounds, having previously perfected a couple of simple combinations. If he does not win at the beginning of the fight, then you can not even watch the fight further.

Ok! But it seems to me that this is just an example in favor of the fact that even a dominant boxer can lose to an accidental blow - I think no one doubts that Lenox dominated until that blow.

That lucky punch will just be considered a lucky punch but yes Francis can win if Fury will no longer be able to get up. Mike can contribute to what Francis can learn from now on. I do think the confidence of Francis will be lifted because of Mike Tyson on his side.

Somehow one reason to admire Francis is that he always wants to prove himself to the people who doubted him and although this might just be one of the most unprecedented, he might be able to make it with just one lucky punch.  

No matter what the punch is, even if Fury slips and falls to the uppercut himself, a win is a win. Since this fight will somehow be official, then someone will write 1 on their record, and someone 0. But for me it will still remain a shameful circus (on Fury’s part) that chickened out and deprived the audience of the unification fight.
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Even with Mike Tyson in his corner I cannot see Fury losing the fight. Trainers can have a massive impact on the mindset of the fighter, it can give them a big psychological edge and we must not forget if there are two big strong men in a ring either of them is capable of hitting the other hard enough to make them fall down if they land a punch in the right place.

A combination of the poverty-stricken background that Ngannou came from and his sheer will to survive and thrive, alongside having Mike Tyson by his side is not going to be enough to beat Fury but it should make it a very interesting fight.

The latest news is Mike Tyson agreed to train Ngannou in his up and coming fight against Tyson Fury, he followed his promise that he would train Ngannou if he had a boxing match coming and this is it, Ngannou had a big knock out punch if Mike can train him to polish his boxing skill and put a good timing in his punches he has a good chance of beating Tyson Fury.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-30621303

With all due respect to Tyson (I hope I'm wrong), he has little to teach Ngannou. It's like Usain Bolt training Ngannou to run faster. Tyson is unique, and what he could do is not suitable for others, I highly doubt that Ngannou will be able to repeat those combinations with closing the distance or any of those Tyson punches. Although if he builds a strategic plan for Ngannou and he adjusts it to his physical capabilities, then the chances will appear.

The 'Mike Tyson with Ngannou's corner' thing looks like it's just a gimmick to get more eyes in the build up for the event.  Mike Tyson is a house hold name, wouldn't hurt to pay him whatever his fee is and have him around you during press conferences, open work outs and what not.

When it was announced that he was gonna be with Ngannou, the vids of Steven Seagal 'teaching' Anderson Silva the front kick suddenly popped in my mind.  It could be exactly the same thing.  I mean at the end of it all, Fury vs Ngannou is an expensive dog and pony show.

I laughed so hard right now that all got attention of every colleague at the office. I almost forgot about that vid Grin But jokes aside, Seagal helped train Brazilian mixed martial artist Lyoto Machida, who credited Seagal for helping him perfect the front kick that he used to knock out Randy Couture at UFC 129 in May 2011.

Anyway, Tyson in the corner looks better than aikido expert in mma fighters corner. Aikido seems completely useless in contact combat sport, because its goals are to protect and dont let attacker get injured. Completely opposite what fighters want. Tyson could only prepare Ngannou mentally, because he is a boxer, not a coach. That is it. Dont know what he can suggest during training? Only keep pushing Ngannou for more reps or rounds.
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Even with Mike Tyson in his corner I cannot see Fury losing the fight. Trainers can have a massive impact on the mindset of the fighter, it can give them a big psychological edge and we must not forget if there are two big strong men in a ring either of them is capable of hitting the other hard enough to make them fall down if they land a punch in the right place.

A combination of the poverty-stricken background that Ngannou came from and his sheer will to survive and thrive, alongside having Mike Tyson by his side is not going to be enough to beat Fury but it should make it a very interesting fight.

The latest news is Mike Tyson agreed to train Ngannou in his up and coming fight against Tyson Fury, he followed his promise that he would train Ngannou if he had a boxing match coming and this is it, Ngannou had a big knock out punch if Mike can train him to polish his boxing skill and put a good timing in his punches he has a good chance of beating Tyson Fury.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-30621303

With all due respect to Tyson (I hope I'm wrong), he has little to teach Ngannou. It's like Usain Bolt training Ngannou to run faster. Tyson is unique, and what he could do is not suitable for others, I highly doubt that Ngannou will be able to repeat those combinations with closing the distance or any of those Tyson punches. Although if he builds a strategic plan for Ngannou and he adjusts it to his physical capabilities, then the chances will appear.

The 'Mike Tyson with Ngannou's corner' thing looks like it's just a gimmick to get more eyes in the build up for the event.  Mike Tyson is a house hold name, wouldn't hurt to pay him whatever his fee is and have him around you during press conferences, open work outs and what not.

When it was announced that he was gonna be with Ngannou, the vids of Steven Seagal 'teaching' Anderson Silva the front kick suddenly popped in my mind.  It could be exactly the same thing.  I mean at the end of it all, Fury vs Ngannou is an expensive dog and pony show.
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And if you look at Francis body, it is not built to go to distance in fight, he has huge body and could be tiring at the end of round 3 because he has to carry that weight and muscles. And as compared to Fury who has been training his whole life to go 12 rounds if necessary. So, if this fight goes to distance, then Fury has a better chance to win by a knockout.
Francis Ngannou is a black man who has a name to make in this fight. Black men especially those that are raised in the difficult conditions of Africa like Francis who was raised in a village in Cameroon can do more than expected when it comes to physical activities that they are motivated to accomplish. Francis can win this fight with the right amount of self-motivation and tactics. He is being trained by a very big fighter in boxing Mike Tyson, so we can say he will be very well prepared for the fight as he will learn also from the experience of Mike.
I guess the question is whether he can stay int he fight and has a lot of gas tank left. It's not a question on how he was raised and as we all know that this athletes are well gifted.

So that will be the strategy I guess, tire him, and then Fury going for the kill later.

Or the said of Francis, if they know that they can't last in this fight, look for an early knockout and punch the hell out of Fury.
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And if you look at Francis body, it is not built to go to distance in fight, he has huge body and could be tiring at the end of round 3 because he has to carry that weight and muscles. And as compared to Fury who has been training his whole life to go 12 rounds if necessary. So, if this fight goes to distance, then Fury has a better chance to win by a knockout.
Francis Ngannou is a black man who has a name to make in this fight. Black men especially those that are raised in the difficult conditions of Africa like Francis who was raised in a village in Cameroon can do more than expected when it comes to physical activities that they are motivated to accomplish. Francis can win this fight with the right amount of self-motivation and tactics. He is being trained by a very big fighter in boxing Mike Tyson, so we can say he will be very well prepared for the fight as he will learn also from the experience of Mike.
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Do you guys think that Francis Ngannou gas tank will be enough to run 12 rounds? Somehow doubts that he will have enough stamina for the whole fights start to raise in my head. We rarely seen him having long fights. His explosive fighting style consumes a lot of energy. While Fury, despite his lifestyle and body, can easily go for long fights. I dont think that we would see a lucky punch in this fight. Fury is a professional boxer, a champion with huge experience background. A lucky punch has so little chance to be in this fight, that imho it is better consider chances of it to be close to zero.

I also doubt that he will have a gas tank ready for full 12 rounds against the best version of Tyson Fury. We've seen Nate Diaz against Jake Paul and it seems that Diaz has losing his legs and stamina as the round goes by.

And if you look at Francis body, it is not built to go to distance in fight, he has huge body and could be tiring at the end of round 3 because he has to carry that weight and muscles. And as compare to Fury who has been training his whole life to go 12 rounds if necessary. So if this fight goes to distance, then Fury has a better chance to win by a knockout.
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Do you guys think that Francis Ngannou gas tank will be enough to run 12 rounds? Somehow doubts that he will have enough stamina for the whole fights start to raise in my head. We rarely seen him having long fights. His explosive fighting style consumes a lot of energy. While Fury, despite his lifestyle and body, can easily go for long fights. I dont think that we would see a lucky punch in this fight. Fury is a professional boxer, a champion with huge experience background. A lucky punch has so little chance to be in this fight, that imho it is better consider chances of it to be close to zero.
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With all due respect to Tyson (I hope I'm wrong), he has little to teach Ngannou. It's like Usain Bolt training Ngannou to run faster. Tyson is unique, and what he could do is not suitable for others, I highly doubt that Ngannou will be able to repeat those combinations with closing the distance or any of those Tyson punches. Although if he builds a strategic plan for Ngannou and he adjusts it to his physical capabilities, then the chances will appear.

Even with Mike Tyson in his corner I cannot see Fury losing the fight. Trainers can have a massive impact on the mindset of the fighter, it can give them a big psychological edge and we must not forget if there are two big strong men in a ring either of them is capable of hitting the other hard enough to make them fall down if they land a punch in the right place.

A combination of the poverty-stricken background that Ngannou came from and his sheer will to survive and thrive, alongside having Mike Tyson by his side is not going to be enough to beat Fury but it should make it a very interesting fight.

Are you writing contradictory things or am I not understanding something? There is always a chance for a lucky punch, and as they say above, if Tyson teaches Ngannou some tricks, then his chances will become even a little higher. It seems to me that Ngannou should bet precisely on this - he will give his best in the first two rounds, having previously perfected a couple of simple combinations. If he does not win at the beginning of the fight, then you can not even watch the fight further.

That lucky punch will just be considered a lucky punch but yes Francis can win if Fury will no longer be able to get up. Mike can contribute to what Francis can learn from now on. I do think the confidence of Francis will be lifted because of Mike Tyson on his side.

Somehow one reason to admire Francis is that he always wants to prove himself to the people who doubted him and although this might just be one of the most unprecedented, he might be able to make it with just one lucky punch.  

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Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman is a perfect example. Two big strong men in the ring have the ability to win by virtue of connecting one solid punch and winning by way of knockout. It does not mean the favourite will win and it does not mean the best will win. I do however expect Fury to win.

Are you writing contradictory things or am I not understanding something? There is always a chance for a lucky punch, and as they say above, if Tyson teaches Ngannou some tricks, then his chances will become even a little higher. It seems to me that Ngannou should bet precisely on this - he will give his best in the first two rounds, having previously perfected a couple of simple combinations. If he does not win at the beginning of the fight, then you can not even watch the fight further.
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With all due respect to Tyson (I hope I'm wrong), he has little to teach Ngannou. It's like Usain Bolt training Ngannou to run faster. Tyson is unique, and what he could do is not suitable for others, I highly doubt that Ngannou will be able to repeat those combinations with closing the distance or any of those Tyson punches. Although if he builds a strategic plan for Ngannou and he adjusts it to his physical capabilities, then the chances will appear.

Even with Mike Tyson in his corner I cannot see Fury losing the fight. Trainers can have a massive impact on the mindset of the fighter, it can give them a big psychological edge and we must not forget if there are two big strong men in a ring either of them is capable of hitting the other hard enough to make them fall down if they land a punch in the right place.

A combination of the poverty-stricken background that Ngannou came from and his sheer will to survive and thrive, alongside having Mike Tyson by his side is not going to be enough to beat Fury but it should make it a very interesting fight.

Are you writing contradictory things or am I not understanding something? There is always a chance for a lucky punch, and as they say above, if Tyson teaches Ngannou some tricks, then his chances will become even a little higher. It seems to me that Ngannou should bet precisely on this - he will give his best in the first two rounds, having previously perfected a couple of simple combinations. If he does not win at the beginning of the fight, then you can not even watch the fight further.
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