Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 - page 28.

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Dana be like

Dana would be like that if Ngannou lures more fighters from UFC into boxing or have a fight against Jake Paul Cheesy

UFC has faces a curse of "being the best". Now everyone wants to bite them. I think that we wont be seeing Ngannou much in mma or boxing fights after this fight against Fury. I believe that people who used to be poor get access to tons of money, they get spoiled really quick. That is a proven fact. Imho Ngannou gonna get his millions and be more a promotional tool for PFL or sits in his chair (he has a position there) and just manage promotion.

Seem to be the very nature of man. When eventually they made a ton of money they become a burden to a lot of people. Looking at Conor now, he spends here and there and he seems high all the time and recently he knock out someone in a bar.

Ngannou could over time turn into something if he won't get to learn the wisdom. He is humble though, we just don't know how long he will be that way. But they come from a very humble beginning though. Sure he had seen what money can do to people. Cheers to Francis, hope he KOs Fury. Wanna see his life story tbh. I think they talk about his life in a movie Grin

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 19, 2023, 12:15:06 PM

Dana be like

Dana would be like that if Ngannou lures more fighters from UFC into boxing or have a fight against Jake Paul Cheesy

UFC has faces a curse of "being the best". Now everyone wants to bite them. I think that we wont be seeing Ngannou much in mma or boxing fights after this fight against Fury. I believe that people who used to be poor get access to tons of money, they get spoiled really quick. That is a proven fact. Imho Ngannou gonna get his millions and be more a promotional tool for PFL or sits in his chair (he has a position there) and just manage promotion.

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Ngannou just confirmed that he will go back to fight in MMA and there's already a date probably February or March it's going to be a PFL debut and no name still comes out, so Nagnnou will have a busy schedule this year and onwards and there's also a clause that if ever he wins there will be a rematch but it's unclear if there is a rematch if Fury wins, so he promised that he will do everything to get that rematch and that means he'll be earning more from the rematch.

There will be no rematch as Fury will also be facing other title challengers after this. They criticize him for "running away" from real threats when he signed up for this bout but that's not how I saw it. I thought both camps were working on a Ngannou's PFL timeline and they'll probably not have another chance if Fury is to fight the likes of Usyk.

Nothing is certain because if we read the sports outlet one by one, most of them have a different story to say about Fury and Ngannou's path. Some are just making the bout more interesting to market it, while some are saying the exact opposite where Ngannou will return and fight Jon Jones, and will not pursue Fury fight for the meantime. So, we will probably hear more stories in the next couple of weeks while the fight night is still far.

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Ngannou just confirmed that he will go back to fight in MMA and there's already a date probably February or March it's going to be a PFL debut and no name still comes out, so Nagnnou will have a busy schedule this year and onwards and there's also a clause that if ever he wins there will be a rematch but it's unclear if there is a rematch if Fury wins, so he promised that he will do everything to get that rematch and that means he'll be earning more from the rematch.

There will be no rematch as Fury will also be facing other title challengers after this. They criticize him for "running away" from real threats when he signed up for this bout but that's not how I saw it. I thought both camps were working on a Ngannou's PFL timeline and they'll probably not have another chance if Fury is to fight the likes of Usyk.

Fury couldn't turn down the opportunity since fighting with Francis is an easy peasy win and the money is also satisfying for him. But as Ngannou said, the boxing community was confused as to why a nobody who didn't fall in line to Fury got the next fight. Usyk should have been the next but Ngannou comes in kicking everyone's butt out the line. His gimmick works better after all Ngannou is a sensation as people like crossover fights.

There's a pool of HW in PFL that Ngannou can fight, however, they don't excite if matched against Ngannou.
This is gonna be harder to promote unless they invite Jones. Dana be like

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Quote from: aioc on July 19, 2023, 10:39:44 AM

Ngannou just confirmed that he will go back to fight in MMA and there's already a date probably February or March it's going to be a PFL debut and no name still comes out, so Nagnnou will have a busy schedule this year and onwards and there's also a clause that if ever he wins there will be a rematch but it's unclear if there is a rematch if Fury wins, so he promised that he will do everything to get that rematch and that means he'll be earning more from the rematch.

There will be no rematch as Fury will also be facing other title challengers after this. They criticize him for "running away" from real threats when he signed up for this bout but that's not how I saw it. I thought both camps were working on a Ngannou's PFL timeline and they'll probably not have another chance if Fury is to fight the likes of Usyk.

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Ngannou just confirmed that he will go back to fight in MMA and there's already a date probably February or March it's going to be a PFL debut and no name still comes out, so Nagnnou will have a busy schedule this year and onwards and there's also a clause that if ever he wins there will be a rematch but it's unclear if there is a rematch if Fury wins, so he promised that he will do everything to get that rematch and that means he'll be earning more from the rematch.

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I think Fury does not give a damn about Ngannous power. Fury fought 3 times Wilder, and it is claimed that he also is a hard hitter. Fury even ate Wilder punch and stood up, while others were knocked out cold. We also had video footages during training when Fury takes heavy punches to the body like they are mosquito bites. His natural body fat is like an armour. Reach and height advantage is also on Fury side, plus he is quick for his weight. Jabs during first rounds and Ngannou will be finished in first half of the fight, when he runs out of ~~mana~~ stamina.

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There is still some small element of upsets here, Mike Tyson during his prime was upset by Buster Douglas, it's not a lucky shot though, it is because Mike Tyson didn't train that hard in the gym but just casually go and not put 100% of his effort and then underestimate Douglas.

So if Fury will have that kind of mentality here, thinking that Francis is just a walk in the park for him because he is not a pure boxer but a MMA and trying to cross over, then it could be the same outcome.

Overconfidence sure and at the same time belittling the opponent sure can give a boxer his demise. Since when a boxer enter that states, he somehow don't put 100% of his effort and just toy with the opponent when his opponent is exerting more than 100% of his ability. So this event bring lapses to the one who is overconfident and eventually gets cocky and careless which enhance the possibility of an upset win.

But I do not think that Tyso Fury will exercise this thing since as a champion and well-experienced boxer, he knows what to do. Besides he's been careful in choosing his opponent to avoid blemishing his record, I am sure that Tyson Fury will not be careless in this fight.

Indeed, Fury is aware of his opponent's knockout power, and he will take precautions to avoid getting knocked out. His undefeated record showcases his discipline and dedication as a boxer. Fury trains hard for every fight and demonstrates high ring intelligence. He has shown resilience by knowing how to recover and stand up after being knocked down. These qualities highlight his strength and capabilities in the ring, so I would see an upset only a slight chance.

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Quote from: cabron on July 18, 2023, 10:35:34 AM

None wouldn't honor that winner take all deal when its just done verbally. Jake never talked about that deal after he lost. Francis took a risk retiring from UFC just so he could have a fight in boxing, that will defeat the purpose if he fights for free.

Francis also thinks its tough for him to connect to Fury a distance especially since Fury is a pro. But him reaching to the 10th round is more of an uphill battle. Tyson will tire him out.
https://youtu.be/MQ8pXLk6T4c?t=5733

Jake offered him official contract and they denied it, so why would Jake Paul talk about winner takes all after that? If they made a deal, signed a contract, then I believe he would pay him, that money was really nothing for Jake Paul.
It's definitely tough for Francis to win against Tyson. Francis is an MMA fighter and Tyson is a boxer, match is in boxing. It's like to compete indoor footballer to the real footballer in real football match, definitely, the last one has a huge advantage.
Btw this boxing match will be very interesting.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 17, 2023, 08:37:53 PM

There is still some small element of upsets here, Mike Tyson during his prime was upset by Buster Douglas, it's not a lucky shot though, it is because Mike Tyson didn't train that hard in the gym but just casually go and not put 100% of his effort and then underestimate Douglas.

So if Fury will have that kind of mentality here, thinking that Francis is just a walk in the park for him because he is not a pure boxer but a MMA and trying to cross over, then it could be the same outcome.

Overconfidence sure and at the same time belittling the opponent sure can give a boxer his demise. Since when a boxer enter that states, he somehow don't put 100% of his effort and just toy with the opponent when his opponent is exerting more than 100% of his ability. So this event bring lapses to the one who is overconfident and eventually gets cocky and careless which enhance the possibility of an upset win.

But I do not think that Tyso Fury will exercise this thing since as a champion and well-experienced boxer, he knows what to do. Besides he's been careful in choosing his opponent to avoid blemishing his record, I am sure that Tyson Fury will not be careless in this fight.

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Quote from: Synchronice on July 18, 2023, 06:25:12 AM

Ngannou has the most powerful punch but you know, every tool is useless if it's not used by the master. While Ngannou is a great fighter, he is not a great boxer while Tyson Fury actually is.

This is a one shot for Ngannou to become a bigger name than he is and he knows this, It is also an opportunity to win the biggest sum of money he has ever won in his career. Adesanya supports Ngannou who he has fought against before to beat Tyson Fury in the fight, not just because they both have roots from the same continent Africa, but because he has been in the ring before with Francis and he knows how powerful his punches are. A few good punches against Fury may affect his composure.

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While I love both fighters and see them as the new face of boxing after Pacquiao's fall into grace lmao. I gotta hand the preemptive win to Tyson Fury this time. Francis is a fucking powerhouse I give him that, he's a tank that could take punches and give the blows back twice as hard if not more, but Tyson is a better fighter through and through and provided that he doesn't get smacked in the face by a pain-packing punch he's going to win. There's a lot of win conditions for Fury and only one for Ngannou, plus he's lost his charm all these years for some reason and now I don't think he's as confident about his abilities as he was back in the day. Tyson still has a long way ahead of him and he's probably still not in his prime (although I say this with a full clenched fist of salt in a hand).

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Imho it does not really matters how much Ngannou gonna get now, as there is a rematch clause in their contract. If I was Ngannou, such a confident bad ass knockout artist. I would take a risk and fight Fury for free right now and try to finish him. But for a rematch, I would ask for a real fortune. That will be a huge motivation for me. Plus Fury for taking whole purse will be motivated to fight against me. Anyway, Ngannou have independent sponsorship contracts, which means he would earn anyway.

Ngannou has the most powerful punch but you know, every tool is useless if it's not used by the master. While Ngannou is a great fighter, he is not a great boxer while Tyson Fury actually is.
By the way, that's still a huge risk. Profit will be much more but still a huge risk, his opponent is Tyson Fury after all. This post of your reminds me the moment when Jake Paul asked Tyson's brother, Tommy Fury that winner takes all and loser gets nothing and Tommy, while way more experienced and dedicated boxer than Jake Paul, couldn't take this risk. So, I think Ngannou won't take such a big risk too. While it sounds easy to tell, this risk could hugely affect his psychology and make him very stressed, very pressured, this is not something that boxer needs to think about every second he fights.

None wouldn't honor that winner take all deal when its just done verbally. Jake never talked about that deal after he lost. Francis took a risk retiring from UFC just so he could have a fight in boxing, that will defeat the purpose if he fights for free.

Francis also thinks its tough for him to connect to Fury a distance especially since Fury is a pro. But him reaching to the 10th round is more of an uphill battle. Tyson will tire him out.
https://youtu.be/MQ8pXLk6T4c?t=5733

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 18, 2023, 04:14:53 AM

If I was Ngannou, such a confident bad ass knockout artist. I would take a risk and fight Fury for free right now and try to finish him.

Fury would so happy to accept this terms, but Ngannou cannot be too confident that he can win on this fight as Fury is at advantage here as he has already knockout a knockout artist in boxing, remember Wilder?

Odds don't lie.

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Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Odds
Fighter   Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Odds   Implied Chance
Tyson Fury     -400   80%
Francis Ngannou     +300   25%

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 18, 2023, 04:14:53 AM

Imho it does not really matters how much Ngannou gonna get now, as there is a rematch clause in their contract. If I was Ngannou, such a confident bad ass knockout artist. I would take a risk and fight Fury for free right now and try to finish him. But for a rematch, I would ask for a real fortune. That will be a huge motivation for me. Plus Fury for taking whole purse will be motivated to fight against me. Anyway, Ngannou have independent sponsorship contracts, which means he would earn anyway.

Ngannou has the most powerful punch but you know, every tool is useless if it's not used by the master. While Ngannou is a great fighter, he is not a great boxer while Tyson Fury actually is.
By the way, that's still a huge risk. Profit will be much more but still a huge risk, his opponent is Tyson Fury after all. This post of your reminds me the moment when Jake Paul asked Tyson's brother, Tommy Fury that winner takes all and loser gets nothing and Tommy, while way more experienced and dedicated boxer than Jake Paul, couldn't take this risk. So, I think Ngannou won't take such a big risk too. While it sounds easy to tell, this risk could hugely affect his psychology and make him very stressed, very pressured, this is not something that boxer needs to think about every second he fights.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 18, 2023, 04:14:53 AM

Imho it does not really matters how much Ngannou gonna get now, as there is a rematch clause in their contract. If I was Ngannou, such a confident bad ass knockout artist. I would take a risk and fight Fury for free right now and try to finish him. But for a rematch, I would ask for a real fortune. That will be a huge motivation for me. Plus Fury for taking whole purse will be motivated to fight against me. Anyway, Ngannou have independent sponsorship contracts, which means he would earn anyway.

Independent Sponsorship is what Ngannou has been fighting when he is negotiating his contract with Dana, unfortunately, they did not grant him that privilege, now that he is in a boxing match he can still earn from independent sponsorship, and he can get a better deal because of the sponsorship, remember some of the great athletes have earned more from sponsorship than their actual contract if Ngannou shows a good performance he'll have more sponsor because he represents the MMA, he is in a much better deal than any of the MMA fighters.

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With Ngannou earning 8 FIGURES, he will definitely give his hundred percent in this fight because if he wins, there is another opportunity for him in the rematch. Ofc if he loses, he wouldn't get a rematch.

Do you have the exact figures on how much he'll make in this fight? You are saying eight figures, so the minimum he will make is $10 million. I tried to search for the specific amount, but I only see that he is making around $6 to $8 million.

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According to The Mirror, his purse for the Fury fight will exceed the £6m-a-fight ($8m) deal he was offered by the UFC to extend his stay and become their 'highest paid athlete' last year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-12298481/Francis-Ngannou-earn-money-did-14-fight-UFC-career-one-night-vs-Tyson-Fury.html

Imho it does not really matters how much Ngannou gonna get now, as there is a rematch clause in their contract. If I was Ngannou, such a confident bad ass knockout artist. I would take a risk and fight Fury for free right now and try to finish him. But for a rematch, I would ask for a real fortune. That will be a huge motivation for me. Plus Fury for taking whole purse will be motivated to fight against me. Anyway, Ngannou have independent sponsorship contracts, which means he would earn anyway.

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With Ngannou earning 8 FIGURES, he will definitely give his hundred percent in this fight because if he wins, there is another opportunity for him in the rematch. Ofc if he loses, he wouldn't get a rematch.

Do you have the exact figures on how much he'll make in this fight? You are saying eight figures, so the minimum he will make is $10 million. I tried to search for the specific amount, but I only see that he is making around $6 to $8 million.

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According to The Mirror, his purse for the Fury fight will exceed the £6m-a-fight ($8m) deal he was offered by the UFC to extend his stay and become their 'highest paid athlete' last year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-12298481/Francis-Ngannou-earn-money-did-14-fight-UFC-career-one-night-vs-Tyson-Fury.html

No I don't have exact amount, I don't think they will say it, we could just keep guessing. Its says 8 figures in some articles but lets just say $6M only. Lower fee for him I guess its fairer. Lets make it $8M, its not our money anyway. $8M is more than a motivation since he can't get that amount with 5 fights in UFC. He does have a chance against his opponent. Fury had been hit before and down to the ground.

It could go south for Ngannou. Watching his game with Gane, he barely make it and gassed out in the 3rd round. This is what he should be working out.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 18, 2023, 01:04:22 AM

With Ngannou earning 8 FIGURES, he will definitely give his hundred percent in this fight because if he wins, there is another opportunity for him in the rematch. Ofc if he loses, he wouldn't get a rematch.

Do you have the exact figures on how much he'll make in this fight? You are saying eight figures, so the minimum he will make is $10 million. I tried to search for the specific amount, but I only see that he is making around $6 to $8 million.

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According to The Mirror, his purse for the Fury fight will exceed the £6m-a-fight ($8m) deal he was offered by the UFC to extend his stay and become their 'highest paid athlete' last year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-12298481/Francis-Ngannou-earn-money-did-14-fight-UFC-career-one-night-vs-Tyson-Fury.html

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I am seriously starting to think if you are even human being, or just robot with algorithm made to write stupid posts.
I am done talking with you because I think you have problem in you head.
I hope you get well soon and get healthy.

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