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I can already see the end of the road for Milan. I don't think they have a bigger chance than Tottenham to advance to quarter finals. Because I didn't like Milan's group stage performance much. They seemed pretty vulnerable against Chelsea in the group. They lost both matches. This just makes me think like they are still not ready for big challenges in the Champions League. At least they are a little more successful here in this season because they couldn't even qualify from their group last season.

I can't say that Tottenham had a good run in the group stage either but they are still in a better condition than Milan. Above all else I think they have a more reliable and capable squad than Milan. They have a great manager like Conte as well. Maybe it might be a close matchup still but Tottenham should be able to eliminate them.

For crying out loud, AC Milan are not a bad side, to be frank, aren't Milan a better side than Tottenham Hotspur ? I know quite well Antonio Conte won against them when he was Coach of Juventus and Inter Milan but judging before the World Cup began, who have been a Betty side ? Off the Champions League and in the Champions League, if we're making the right analysis without bias then it's AC Milan.

I saw someone writing bout potential Chelsea winning something this season, that's really really laughable as I know quite well they can eventually win against Borrussia Dortmund but they are not going pass thr next round.

If I consider their title win in the Champions League then obviously Milan are still the best, but if I look at the head to head that is there at least it's clear that Tottenham haven't lost by Milan at all. Because of the six matches in their head to head, in fact Tottanham got four wins and two draws.
With these records and taking into account several factors that exist at this moment, then at least I will admit that Tottenham has a chance to win.

Also, regarding the strong and quick style of play that Tottenham has, the coach who is used to giving the team victory when they play against Milan and also, the Tottenham squad I think also Tottenham is still better. So I personally don't doubt Tottenham will win, because from the last few seasons when English Premier League teams have played against Serie A teams, at least the teams from the Premier League mostly have a better chance.
Even though, I also admit that Milan is not a weak team and have been able to play well for the last few seasons, but I think Milan is still not strong enough to be able to go further in the Champions League.

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I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

I don't know if they'll be happy or not, but Guardiola will definitely feel better about having one of his most important players train with the team. The playoffs are the most difficult part of the tournament, and besides the physical ones, there is also a lot of psychological stress. There are still a lot of Champions League and Premier League matches ahead, so City will definitely don't mind if their leaders will be safe.

And the cost of Haaland will not fall from the fact that he misses the Worlds Cup, and I'm not sure that it could have grown much if he was there, because I doubt that Norway could have achieved great results there.

Maybe it's an advantage that the club gets when their players don't play in the World Cup, but for the players it's something that is disappointing because after all they want to play and fight for their country.
Manchester City so far do not seem to have such a significant problem. They have just swallowed 2 defeats and that can still be said to be something reasonable, moreover the Premier League is a very competitive league that has very many big clubs and also presents many unexpected surprises.
Whereas in the Champions League, it is very likely that they will advance to the quarter-finals because the opponents they will face are clubs that are no better or at least have the same quality as them.

I suspect some good players may be underperforming due to the World Cup. Like you, Kevin De Bruyne who is resting due to injury, while Haaland, whose country failed to qualify for the World Cup, is currently taking time off. From these things, I think after the World Cup, the clubs will have some negative impact on the performance of the players.

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I would guess that City had some troubles with players as well, I mean like Kevin De Bruyne played for Belgium, that's a proof that it was a problem for them, and other players too. In the end Haaland not playing is not that great neither if you look at it long term, because World Cup is a place where players shine their talents.

I know City has no intention of selling Haaland anytime soon, they would rather keep him until he is 35 years old, but I feel like it could be something that would increase his value, and him being more valuable must be some asset they could take a loan against and that would be financially better for them in the future.

I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

The Fifa virus makes the club worry about the condition of its players, I'm not talking about good performances that can benefit the club due to the higher selling price. When a player defends his country in a tournament, the injury factor is what a club is most afraid of. Guardiola prefers his flagship players to be absent from the world cup because Manchester City really needs them to catch Arsenal in the EPL and try to get the UCL trophy that has never been won so far.

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I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

I don't know if they'll be happy or not, but Guardiola will definitely feel better about having one of his most important players train with the team. The playoffs are the most difficult part of the tournament, and besides the physical ones, there is also a lot of psychological stress. There are still a lot of Champions League and Premier League matches ahead, so City will definitely don't mind if their leaders will be safe.

And the cost of Haaland will not fall from the fact that he misses the Worlds Cup, and I'm not sure that it could have grown much if he was there, because I doubt that Norway could have achieved great results there.

Maybe it's an advantage that the club gets when their players don't play in the World Cup, but for the players it's something that is disappointing because after all they want to play and fight for their country.
Manchester City so far do not seem to have such a significant problem. They have just swallowed 2 defeats and that can still be said to be something reasonable, moreover the Premier League is a very competitive league that has very many big clubs and also presents many unexpected surprises.
Whereas in the Champions League, it is very likely that they will advance to the quarter-finals because the opponents they will face are clubs that are no better or at least have the same quality as them.

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In fact, the opposite is true. Chelsea have no hopes in the Premier League as they have already lost almost as many points as a champion can afford to lose points in a whole season and in the Champions League they are on equal footing. Therefore, it would be logical to try to get into the top 4 in the Premier League, and to perform as well as possible in the Champions League. Such a task looks more realistic than trying your best in the Premier League with so many lost points.

Honestly Chelsea opportunity with Primer League tittle winning almost close after remaining many 16 points from Arsenal, I don't think easy catch up with many points left actually after World Cup have busy match and focus at champion league. Graham Potter has best alternative option if want longer existing become Chelsea manager by priority with Champion League competition. I think realistic with Chelsea focus on Champion League than Primer League with many points left but can reach top fourth standing position.

Dortmund opponent at 16 round I don't think heavy for Chelsea based on inconsistency performance at Bundesliga, Chelsea need priority Champion League in this season if won't close season 2022/2023 without any trophies yet.

The problem of the fight for the title is not in the number of points to the first place, but in the fact that there are 7 (!) teams ahead of Chelsea. From Chelsea's point of view, you can wait (hope) that Arsenal will fall into a crisis and it will be possible to catch up with it, but to expect that as many as 7 teams will fall into an unprecedented crisis is naivety. Borussia is a random team, so it can lose big to Chelsea, but there are also chances (even for a big win). And on paper, Chelsea are stronger.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 03, 2022, 10:13:30 AM

I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

I don't think Manchester City seems happy after Kevin De Bruyne national team eliminated early at FIFA World Cup 2022 based on first match for City held on December 23th on EFL Cup against with Liverpool. I think three weeks later before competition make several physical player drop, exactly have positive side if Manchester City player still with their national team because their physical keep increasing until return back to their team.

But Manchester City still have left many players in World Cup and Pep Guardiola not have to worry about their physical, but bad news with injured problem after last several hours Arsenal Player, Gabriel Jesus have confirmed with ankle injured and absent for Brazil against South Korea at 16 round.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 03, 2022, 10:13:30 AM

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I would guess that City had some troubles with players as well, I mean like Kevin De Bruyne played for Belgium, that's a proof that it was a problem for them, and other players too. In the end Haaland not playing is not that great neither if you look at it long term, because World Cup is a place where players shine their talents.

I know City has no intention of selling Haaland anytime soon, they would rather keep him until he is 35 years old, but I feel like it could be something that would increase his value, and him being more valuable must be some asset they could take a loan against and that would be financially better for them in the future.

I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

Manchester City will not be happy that Kevin is back, it will not pay them any good, they would rather pray for him to win the World Cup in order to bring more glory to Manchester City. Meanwhile it is not only Kevin that is playing, Foden and Grillish are stil in Qatar

Meanwhile Haaland not going to the World Cup will not affect his value he has proven himself as a goalscorer whether he goes to the World Cup or not his value is still high

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 03, 2022, 10:13:30 AM

I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

I don't know if they'll be happy or not, but Guardiola will definitely feel better about having one of his most important players train with the team. The playoffs are the most difficult part of the tournament, and besides the physical ones, there is also a lot of psychological stress. There are still a lot of Champions League and Premier League matches ahead, so City will definitely don't mind if their leaders will be safe.

And the cost of Haaland will not fall from the fact that he misses the Worlds Cup, and I'm not sure that it could have grown much if he was there, because I doubt that Norway could have achieved great results there.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 01, 2022, 01:12:53 PM

I would guess that City had some troubles with players as well, I mean like Kevin De Bruyne played for Belgium, that's a proof that it was a problem for them, and other players too. In the end Haaland not playing is not that great neither if you look at it long term, because World Cup is a place where players shine their talents.

I know City has no intention of selling Haaland anytime soon, they would rather keep him until he is 35 years old, but I feel like it could be something that would increase his value, and him being more valuable must be some asset they could take a loan against and that would be financially better for them in the future.

I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on December 02, 2022, 03:44:52 PM

I can already see the end of the road for Milan. I don't think they have a bigger chance than Tottenham to advance to quarter finals. Because I didn't like Milan's group stage performance much. They seemed pretty vulnerable against Chelsea in the group. They lost both matches. This just makes me think like they are still not ready for big challenges in the Champions League. At least they are a little more successful here in this season because they couldn't even qualify from their group last season.

I can't say that Tottenham had a good run in the group stage either but they are still in a better condition than Milan. Above all else I think they have a more reliable and capable squad than Milan. They have a great manager like Conte as well. Maybe it might be a close matchup still but Tottenham should be able to eliminate them.

For crying out loud, AC Milan are not a bad side, to be frank, aren't Milan a better side than Tottenham Hotspur ? I know quite well Antonio Conte won against them when he was Coach of Juventus and Inter Milan but judging before the World Cup began, who have been a Betty side ? Off the Champions League and in the Champions League, if we're making the right analysis without bias then it's AC Milan.

I saw someone writing bout potential Chelsea winning something this season, that's really really laughable as I know quite well they can eventually win against Borrussia Dortmund but they are not going pass thr next round.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on December 02, 2022, 03:44:52 PM

I can already see the end of the road for Milan. I don't think they have a bigger chance than Tottenham to advance to quarter finals. Because I didn't like Milan's group stage performance much. They seemed pretty vulnerable against Chelsea in the group. They lost both matches. This just makes me think like they are still not ready for big challenges in the Champions League. At least they are a little more successful here in this season because they couldn't even qualify from their group last season.

I can't say that Tottenham had a good run in the group stage either but they are still in a better condition than Milan. Above all else I think they have a more reliable and capable squad than Milan. They have a great manager like Conte as well. Maybe it might be a close matchup still but Tottenham should be able to eliminate them.

But I think it will be an even match for the two teams and it will be difficult to predict who will make it to the quarter-finals. Even though Tottenham displayed a more promising game in the group phase, AC Milan's struggle was also something positive.
If we look at their domestic league as well then we will get something too different from both teams. Now, they also have a lot of time to improve everything, I think we will see something different from them after the World Cup.
Stefano Pioli and Antonio Conte will compete on strategy in this match, we will see whose strategy can put his team in the quarter-finals.

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Quote from: maju69 on December 03, 2022, 07:50:04 AM

Right, I think all the teams that are in the Champions League at the moment are worth considering, there will only be gaps between them. I mean there is a percentage rate for each team for example. Chelsea will not beat Manchester City's title percentage but they cannot be underestimated because maybe it will make us regret having underestimated them. I believe there will be many surprises here.

There is a gap that separates the team that is superior in this competition, and the team that will be eliminated in the round of 16 later. we can compare it with the depth of players they have, consistency, teamwork, mental readiness, then combine them into a team that is more prepared and established as a candidate to win this competition trophy.

and yes all the teams that enter the last 16 of the champions league, have the same one formula. the formula is, win the fight in each match after match. Chelsea is no exception, even though this team does not have a high probability of continuing to advance to the Champions League final later. even so, Potter will prepare his troops to face Dortmund in the round of 16 match later. I'm optimistic, at least Chelsea will advance to the next round after overthrowing Dortmund. however, when compared to Manchester City. clearly, there is a gap that distinguishes that Pep Guardiola's army is more prepared and established when compared to Chelsea.

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Chelsea should be underrated completely in the Champions League. They have no track record, just that once they won the CL against Guardiola doesn't mean they are not experts in the Champions League. Chelsea is not a contender and their is no hope for them. They didn't take Champions League seriously than English Premier league, what happened is that EPL was stronger and hotter for them. Everyone wants to do well in EPL at the same time this season. There is no great hope for Chelsea in the CL.

Actually, this cannot be confirmed from now on because it is possible that Chelsea will appear more in the Champions League than other teams like Dortmund. Because anything can still happen after the world cup for every team and even teams that are taken for granted can change for the better after the world cup. So it's really not worth it to underestimate now, especially since the second half of the season hasn't started yet and the Champions League round of 16 hasn't even started yet.

Right, I think all the teams that are in the Champions League at the moment are worth considering, there will only be gaps between them. I mean there is a percentage rate for each team for example. Chelsea will not beat Manchester City's title percentage but they cannot be underestimated because maybe it will make us regret having underestimated them. I believe there will be many surprises here.

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Spalletti gives a very big impact to the performance from napoli but the problem will be coming very soon. So many clubs putting their eyes into the napoli as those clubs may be interested with some starting line up from napoli. That will force spalletti think to get the best rotation when some main players in the current squad will be gone...

This could be a challenge for Napoli. If they can't retain some players from their first squad in the upcoming transfer market, maybe this will have an effect on the team. Especially now that there have been rumors about several clubs that are indeed eyeing and interested in these Napoli players. This might be a concern for Spalletti to prepare various tactics and strategies to deal with this possibility.

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Chelsea should be underrated completely in the Champions League. They have no track record, just that once they won the CL against Guardiola doesn't mean they are not experts in the Champions League. Chelsea is not a contender and their is no hope for them. They didn't take Champions League seriously than English Premier league, what happened is that EPL was stronger and hotter for them. Everyone wants to do well in EPL at the same time this season. There is no great hope for Chelsea in the CL.

In fact, the opposite is true. Chelsea have no hopes in the Premier League as they have already lost almost as many points as a champion can afford to lose points in a whole season and in the Champions League they are on equal footing. Therefore, it would be logical to try to get into the top 4 in the Premier League, and to perform as well as possible in the Champions League. Such a task looks more realistic than trying your best in the Premier League with so many lost points.

Change of the coach is surely having big blunder by the new management of Chelsea which is not going down in Premier League and Champions League spot for the last four is also not favourable for them because suddenly things going down badly, and they have no suitable strategy which helps them for having better result and improvement in performance as in start there were rumours Graham Potter could be on driving seat and things could be not difficult for them in coming season for having good result and better spot but nothing positive happening with most chances we will be able to watch them with poor end of this season and new dilemma which is surely not good for the management.

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Indeed, in the early matches, maybe Napoli was not considered, but over time and seeing how they have performed so far, Napoli really deserves to be considered and they are excellent. I'm sure that right now there are no clubs that underestimate Napoli's strength, maybe even several clubs have targeted Napoli players. So far, Napoli's results have been very consistent and keep getting better. Spalletti is truly extraordinary in devising tactics so that they are always able to attack their opponents and maximize their chances very well. Not only that but this tactic was also carried out optimally by all the players. So far, the players have been quite fair and solid in maximizing their roles and there is no strong desire to force themselves to stand out so that it will actually interfere with the game. Maybe there was, but it could be covered by the solidity of the other players and in the end, it didn't happen again.

Spalletti gives a very big impact to the performance from napoli but the problem will be coming very soon. So many clubs putting their eyes into the napoli as those clubs may be interested with some starting line up from napoli. That will force spalletti think to get the best rotation when some main players in the current squad will be gone. Spalletti is very happy with the current squad from napoli caused by it was still doing more and more winstreak against another team in serie a.
It seems like that the same trend will continue when napoli will be facing frankfurt which can be considered as a strong opponent. Frankfurt can't be underrated team.

At the start of the season, I thought that it was just the start of the season and that once the other teams start performing consistently they will drop down on the table. But we were wrong. They have learned from their mistakes and they are now performing consistently. The way they are playing right now I don’t think they will drop positions on the table even after the world cup. And if you just look at them play you will understand that they have improved in terms of tactics from last season.

In addition, Osimhen has been a really reliable performer for them. Overall everything is working out well for them. To avoid any repercussions, I hope that management does not do anything stupid at this point.

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Quote from: Awaklara on December 02, 2022, 01:04:43 AM

the departure of several players in the main squad will be bad for Napoli. but if Napoli and the squad are currently thinking about trophies, at least they can get the Serie A trophy if they maintain the performance of the current squad.
thinking selling players who are currently bringing them better is a suicide bomb when they haven't found the right replacement.
I hope that this winter Napoli will bring in players to cover their main squad, not sell their players without good calculations.

Most chances before end of this season Napoli will not allow any player to leave this club because right now they have good combination and most of the players are doing their best for having the best result of the season after break we have winter transfer window which is surely going to have big offers for few players, but things could be no easy as we are feeling right now just few clubs are capable of having their required players because they can spend good money with many clubs are not in position to spend big amounts very quickly.

Spallette is surely aware of all challenges which are doing to have trouble for them, but they are in good position to handle things on positive note for themselves now their tough challenge is Frankfurt in Champions League for having spot into last eight, and they can clear this with their quality and performance.

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I can already see the end of the road for Milan. I don't think they have a bigger chance than Tottenham to advance to quarter finals. Because I didn't like Milan's group stage performance much. They seemed pretty vulnerable against Chelsea in the group. They lost both matches. This just makes me think like they are still not ready for big challenges in the Champions League. At least they are a little more successful here in this season because they couldn't even qualify from their group last season.

I can't say that Tottenham had a good run in the group stage either but they are still in a better condition than Milan. Above all else I think they have a more reliable and capable squad than Milan. They have a great manager like Conte as well. Maybe it might be a close matchup still but Tottenham should be able to eliminate them.

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Chelsea is a really interesting team when it comes to the Champions League. They always seem the underdog in this tournament. But they are always one of the teams to be careful against in the Champions League. Because they have played completely different here for long years. It is like they have been caring about this title more than the Premier League title in the meantime. I don't see other explanation to their success here in the recent years. We can give the 2020/21 season as an example for this. While not many people were thinking of them to win the CL title they just made it.

There is a question occupying my mind like whether this would be another season similar to that. But on the other hand I just don't give it much chance. Because we still haven't seen an example of a strong performance. They struggled against even Dinamo Zagreb so I don't know what they can do against the biggest title contenders.

Most teams tend to take the Champions league competition more seriously than their league and Chelsea seem to be one of such teams the season because that is the best explanation to their successful stats in the Champions league and struggles in the league with same players and same manager. I agree with you that Chelsea should not be underated in the Champions league because if their poor form in the league, who knows whether the Champions league trophies is the major objectives for them this season.

Chelsea should be underrated completely in the Champions League. They have no track record, just that once they won the CL against Guardiola doesn't mean they are not experts in the Champions League. Chelsea is not a contender and their is no hope for them. They didn't take Champions League seriously than English Premier league, what happened is that EPL was stronger and hotter for them. Everyone wants to do well in EPL at the same time this season. There is no great hope for Chelsea in the CL.

They are underrated because they are really bad this season and they started the season pretty bad. They had a new coach and in the epl they will fight just to reach the champions league next season. I dont think they can do anything in UCL at all this season

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Quote from: ShowOff on December 02, 2022, 10:50:17 AM

if the opponent is Real Madrid, then Liverpool's hopes of qualifying for the quarter-finals will be very difficult. Liverpool have met Real Madrid quite often, but it is always difficult for Liverpool to win games because in the end Real Madrid remains a strong team for Liverpool. But considering that Liverpool met Real Madrid in the round of 16, I think Liverpool should take advantage of this opportunity to win. Liverpool still have a chance to qualify and win the match, so there's nothing wrong with favoring them again.

Apart from Liverpool vs Real Madrid, then I think PSG vs Bayern Munich will also be great to look forward to. I still really hope PSG can beat Bayern Munich, but really I think it will be difficult.

With the match is against Real Madrid and hopes are difficult but not impossible because I am watching Liverpool for last two decades and I have they can handle teams like these even in current season they have bad time but still they can do good performance and will take their fair chance for the win of the title in this season.

There is no doubt these two matches are surely cream of this season and winner is going to have positive end of the season because right now these four teams are best in their business with Liverpool is having bad time but still they are best club in the world with their talent and quality, hopefully we will have few changes in coming transfer window which is surely going to help them.

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