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December 04, 2022, 06:56:49 AM
Chelsea are known for giving coaches their first major breakthrough so if it also happened to Graham Potter I won't be surprised. Before Sarri came to Chelsea, he has never won any major trophy irrespective of managing big clubs, Chelsea gave him his first trophy and made him a search after coach. Graham Potter will definitely win cups with Chelsea it mightn't be this season but this is definitely going to be the building blocks as he'll be using this season to observe his players but still give us something we can hold onto as he gets his own players next season.

Maybe you are right. Giving Graham Potter a chance to work independently could solve all of Chelsea's problems. But we cannot say for sure. The whole situation of the Chelsea team is unstable now. They are not able to perform well as a team. So it is likely that Graham Potter will make some changes to their squad next season. But first he should fix his match strategy. Consistently good performance is impossible without a proper match strategy.
He must first build this Chelsea from scratch, even from the line-up. Because if you look at it now, they can't be said to be much better than Thomas Tuchel's coaching period. Graham Potter will be given a chance, but will he be able to answer the chance Chelsea is given or not. Because Chelsea fans will definitely put a lot of pressure on when they see their favorite team in a bad condition.
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December 04, 2022, 06:55:24 AM
Can we just give the manager time, he won his last 5 games before the recent bad run and in those first games he won,
I'm totally in agreement with you on this, Would I just say that Chelsea are generally an impatient club when it comes to dealing with new coaches.

This is a problem that they need to correct and learn how to give their new managers time to study the players and to build a better team, because good results doesn't come just overnight, it takes some time and hard work for an improvement to come.
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December 04, 2022, 04:12:18 AM
Chelsea are known for giving coaches their first major breakthrough so if it also happened to Graham Potter I won't be surprised. Before Sarri came to Chelsea, he has never won any major trophy irrespective of managing big clubs, Chelsea gave him his first trophy and made him a search after coach. Graham Potter will definitely win cups with Chelsea it mightn't be this season but this is definitely going to be the building blocks as he'll be using this season to observe his players but still give us something we can hold onto as he gets his own players next season.

Maybe you are right. Giving Graham Potter a chance to work independently could solve all of Chelsea's problems. But we cannot say for sure. The whole situation of the Chelsea team is unstable now. They are not able to perform well as a team. So it is likely that Graham Potter will make some changes to their squad next season. But first he should fix his match strategy. Consistently good performance is impossible without a proper match strategy.
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December 04, 2022, 02:56:23 AM
Currently team having by Graham Potter with Brighton Albion I don't sure he can success with Chelsea without any experienced yet with big top team and not get trophy in his career. What have been worry is coming true right now with Chelsea can't win in last five matches and have beaten last three matches in a row at Primer League. I think Chelsea management have give huge pressure for Graham Potter if want long term existing at Chelsea actually Champion League trophy become realistic chance.

Can we just give the manager time, he won his last 5 games before the recent bad run and in those first games he won, it saw use progress from the group stages of the champions league and got clean sheets in the premier league, match after matches. We're working with a new manager so things mightn't just go smoothly as we played. It's a working progress as the manager is constantly monitoring the players to see who best fit his style of play. The manager never had a preseason to train with his squad and let's not jump to judging him. We the fans want to give him time because we believe in the Chelsea spirit.

I don't understand and I don't always agree when Chelsea fans begin to criticize Graham Potter for doing badly in Chelsea. When they begin to criticize him I will now ask how well was Chelsea doing this season before they employ Graham Potter  It is obvious that Chelsea was nothing to write home about this season undere Thomas that was why Graham Porter assistance was needed.
They have first forgotten that the coach did not train with the club that means there was no preseason with the club if not the death of Elizabeth that gave him little time to train with a club
If you want the best for Chelsea and Graham Porter we should be able to give him time to adapt to his new club
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December 04, 2022, 02:19:15 AM
Potter is never the best for Chelsea.When the news came that Chelsea's management have changed their coach,I was shocked because we are talking about Tuchel that has taking the UEFA champions league for Chelsea,and knows the best for Chelsea FC,they brought in a coach that cannot coach a big team well.
I so much believe that Chelsea's board will ever regret sacking Tuchel,because he remains one of the best coaches that Chelsea has ever had.
Apart from the problem of internal club conflict, even though sacking Tuchel there should be a replacement for the right coach who has good experience in European competition, instead of choosing Graham Potter who we know has very little experience, despite his poor performance at Chelsea, he has brought Brighton to become what a great club this season.

I think, whoever replaces Tuchel, it is basically difficult to compare with the achievement that Tuchel has given Chelsea by winning the Champions League so quickly at that time.
Even if, for example, Todd Boehly recruits a coach who has experience coaching big teams, still, he enters or becomes a new coach when the club situation is not in a good situation. Thus, it will still be difficult for the new coach to be able to provide an extraordinary increase in performance quickly, because success in coaching the previous team still does not guarantee Graham Potter a quick success at Chelsea.

So yeah, basically it's not about choosing the wrong coach to replace Tuchel. But due to what seems to be a mistake, Todd Boehly fired Tuchel like there was something between them, until internal problems between them resulted in the dismissal unilaterally.
Therefore, now Chelsea seems to be experiencing the impact and even Chelsea seems to no longer have a chance to be able to return to the top four in the Premiere League standings.

But at least Chelsea are still a bit lucky because they still have a chance to qualify for the quarter-finals, because in the round of 16 Chelsea will play against Dortmund, which is basically Dortmund, which is also experiencing a decline this season.
So yeah, let's see how far Graham Potter will produce good results for Chelsea, because this is also a form of Todd Boehly's way of building a team.
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December 04, 2022, 01:49:45 AM
Currently team having by Graham Potter with Brighton Albion I don't sure he can success with Chelsea without any experienced yet with big top team and not get trophy in his career. What have been worry is coming true right now with Chelsea can't win in last five matches and have beaten last three matches in a row at Primer League. I think Chelsea management have give huge pressure for Graham Potter if want long term existing at Chelsea actually Champion League trophy become realistic chance.

Can we just give the manager time, he won his last 5 games before the recent bad run and in those first games he won, it saw use progress from the group stages of the champions league and got clean sheets in the premier league, match after matches. We're working with a new manager so things mightn't just go smoothly as we played. It's a working progress as the manager is constantly monitoring the players to see who best fit his style of play. The manager never had a preseason to train with his squad and let's not jump to judging him. We the fans want to give him time because we believe in the Chelsea spirit.

Chelsea are known for giving coaches their first major breakthrough so if it also happened to Graham Potter I won't be surprised. Before Sarri came to Chelsea, he has never won any major trophy irrespective of managing big clubs, Chelsea gave him his first trophy and made him a search after coach. Graham Potter will definitely win cups with Chelsea it mightn't be this season but this is definitely going to be the building blocks as he'll be using this season to observe his players but still give us something we can hold onto as he gets his own players next season.
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December 03, 2022, 11:29:57 PM
Sincerely I also think so that bringing in Graham Potter was not such a good idea after all. They would have been more patient with Thomas Tuchel and supported him to get the team back on track but they opted to go for Potter who showed promising signs at the beginning of his take over and slowly declined and the team are back to losing games again. We shall see how things turn out when the league resumes.
Currently team having by Graham Potter with Brighton Albion I don't sure he can success with Chelsea without any experienced yet with big top team and not get trophy in his career. What have been worry is coming true right now with Chelsea can't win in last five matches and have beaten last three matches in a row at Primer League. I think Chelsea management have give huge pressure for Graham Potter if want long term existing at Chelsea actually Champion League trophy become realistic chance.

Its looks domestic league bit difficult reach to top standing after remaining many points with Arsenal, but Chelsea still have opportunity to win Champion League and learned more what the best achievement from current Chelsea manager Tuchel success in the first season with Chelsea become the winner in Champion League.
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December 03, 2022, 10:50:37 PM
Potter is never the best for Chelsea.When the news came that Chelsea's management have changed their coach,I was shocked because we are talking about Tuchel that has taking the UEFA champions league for Chelsea,and knows the best for Chelsea FC,they brought in a coach that cannot coach a big team well.
I so much believe that Chelsea's board will ever regret sacking Tuchel,because he remains one of the best coaches that Chelsea has ever had.
Apart from the problem of internal club conflict, even though sacking Tuchel there should be a replacement for the right coach who has good experience in European competition, instead of choosing Graham Potter who we know has very little experience, despite his poor performance at Chelsea, he has brought Brighton to become what a great club this season.
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December 03, 2022, 10:37:51 PM
Change of the coach is surely having big blunder by the new management of Chelsea which is not going down in Premier League and Champions League spot for the last four is also not favourable for them because suddenly things going down badly, and they have no suitable strategy which helps them for having better result and improvement in performance as in start there were rumours Graham Potter could be on driving seat and things could be not difficult for them in coming season for having good result and better spot but nothing positive happening with most chances we will be able to watch them with poor end of this season and new dilemma which is surely not good for the management.
Sincerely I also think so that bringing in Graham Potter was not such a good idea after all. They would have been more patient with Thomas Tuchel and supported him to get the team back on track but they opted to go for Potter who showed promising signs at the beginning of his take over and slowly declined and the team are back to losing games again. We shall see how things turn out when the league resumes.
Potter is never the best for Chelsea.When the news came that Chelsea's management have changed their coach,I was shocked because we are talking about Tuchel that has taking the UEFA champions league for Chelsea,and knows the best for Chelsea FC,they brought in a coach that cannot coach a big team well.
I so much believe that Chelsea's board will ever regret sacking Tuchel,because he remains one of the best coaches that Chelsea has ever had.
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December 03, 2022, 09:55:55 PM
The bookmakers quite clearly give their advantage to Liverpool in the home game against Real Madrid. On the basis of the last final, that does not seem right to me, and yet not on the basis of Liverpool's current form. Why do they think Liverpool is the big favorite there? This Liverpool team has looked vulnerable all season, and if anyone can play well through a counterattack, it is of course Real madrid. I think maybe Liverpool could lose at home to Madrid. Odds for Liverpool to win are around 1.90
Some reasons that may make bookmakers give more advantage to the liverpool just like

1. It was playing at anfield and that makes bookmakers more confidence with liverpool
2. Real madrid may not able to playing benzema during the match against liverpool

The history has been saying that if real madrid is still domating the duel. You can see this https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/history/h2h/50051/7889/

Real madrid has been winning even more compared with liverpool in head to head between both. Im sure that real madrid can destroy liverpool at anfield.
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December 03, 2022, 09:18:10 PM
Change of the coach is surely having big blunder by the new management of Chelsea which is not going down in Premier League and Champions League spot for the last four is also not favourable for them because suddenly things going down badly, and they have no suitable strategy which helps them for having better result and improvement in performance as in start there were rumours Graham Potter could be on driving seat and things could be not difficult for them in coming season for having good result and better spot but nothing positive happening with most chances we will be able to watch them with poor end of this season and new dilemma which is surely not good for the management.
Sincerely I also think so that bringing in Graham Potter was not such a good idea after all. They would have been more patient with Thomas Tuchel and supported him to get the team back on track but they opted to go for Potter who showed promising signs at the beginning of his take over and slowly declined and the team are back to losing games again. We shall see how things turn out when the league resumes.
Until now I'm still curious about the Chelsea boss, because they sacked Tuchel unilaterally, even though we all know Tuchel has succeeded in bringing Chelsea to win the Champions League and Chelsea can also compete with the top clubs in the domestic league, under Graham Potter I'm not sure Chelsea can compete in the domestic league, even though in the Champions League Chelsea managed to come out as group winners but I'm not sure Chelsea can beat Dourmount in the last 16 of the Champions League.
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December 03, 2022, 08:48:56 PM
There is a gap that separates the team that is superior in this competition, and the team that will be eliminated in the round of 16 later. we can compare it with the depth of players they have, consistency, teamwork, mental readiness, then combine them into a team that is more prepared and established as a candidate to win this competition trophy.

and yes all the teams that enter the last 16 of the champions league, have the same one formula. the formula is, win the fight in each match after match. Chelsea is no exception, even though this team does not have a high probability of continuing to advance to the Champions League final later. even so, Potter will prepare his troops to face Dortmund in the round of 16 match later. I'm optimistic, at least Chelsea will advance to the next round after overthrowing Dortmund. however, when compared to Manchester City. clearly, there is a gap that distinguishes that Pep Guardiola's army is more prepared and established when compared to Chelsea.
It's clear that we are not going to see players being that different as a group, but super different individually and that makes the difference. When you take for example Bruna Silva and put him in Benfica, then Benfica doesn't suddenly become a UCL title contender, or when you put Haaland on Dortmund or something they weren't, and that's how you know that these players are not individually winning anything, but when you put them together suddenly they are much better.

So, you may see Haaland as a great talent, but he means nothing by himself, only the context of the team makes him so much better and have a chance to win in the long run. That's the difference between lower and higher level teams.

Well, each player has a role, in an interview with a very good player who had Brazil, I don't know if you remember him, I was small but I really liked how Bebeto and Romario did at that time, Romario said something that is very decisive , that his Brazilian team at that time played for him, for him to be the scorer, to be the player who stood out the most, and for the team's prize was the Victories they could savor, he made the selfishness of some of his teammates outside, as long as Brazil always won, he was very intelligent, because if a team plays in favor of a player shining because he is very good, and his reward is always winning, it is a good deal, I think that until a team comes back and return to that thought they are likely to win a lot.


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JJohn Stones compares playing alongside Erling Haaland & Harry Kane



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John Stones has compared playing alongside Erling Haaland for Manchester City with playing with Harry Kane for England and insisted he would not swap the England captain for City's star man.

The 28-year-old defender is one of a select group of players to have played alongside both Haaland and Kane, two players who can make a worthy claim for being the best striker in world football.

Source: https://www.90min.com/posts/john-stones-compares-playing-alongside-erling-haaland-harry-kane
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December 03, 2022, 05:15:39 PM
Change of the coach is surely having big blunder by the new management of Chelsea which is not going down in Premier League and Champions League spot for the last four is also not favourable for them because suddenly things going down badly, and they have no suitable strategy which helps them for having better result and improvement in performance as in start there were rumours Graham Potter could be on driving seat and things could be not difficult for them in coming season for having good result and better spot but nothing positive happening with most chances we will be able to watch them with poor end of this season and new dilemma which is surely not good for the management.
Sincerely I also think so that bringing in Graham Potter was not such a good idea after all. They would have been more patient with Thomas Tuchel and supported him to get the team back on track but they opted to go for Potter who showed promising signs at the beginning of his take over and slowly declined and the team are back to losing games again. We shall see how things turn out when the league resumes.
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December 03, 2022, 04:40:44 PM
Right, I think all the teams that are in the Champions League at the moment are worth considering, there will only be gaps between them. I mean there is a percentage rate for each team for example. Chelsea will not beat Manchester City's title percentage but they cannot be underestimated because maybe it will make us regret having underestimated them. I believe there will be many surprises here.
There is a gap that separates the team that is superior in this competition, and the team that will be eliminated in the round of 16 later. we can compare it with the depth of players they have, consistency, teamwork, mental readiness, then combine them into a team that is more prepared and established as a candidate to win this competition trophy.
and yes all the teams that enter the last 16 of the champions league, have the same one formula. the formula is, win the fight in each match after match. Chelsea is no exception, even though this team does not have a high probability of continuing to advance to the Champions League final later. even so, Potter will prepare his troops to face Dortmund in the round of 16 match later. I'm optimistic, at least Chelsea will advance to the next round after overthrowing Dortmund. however, when compared to Manchester City. clearly, there is a gap that distinguishes that Pep Guardiola's army is more prepared and established when compared to Chelsea.

In terms of performance, I will say that Chelsea are ahead of Dortmund. But I cannot guarantee which team will win. Because Chelsea have not been in the greatest of forms recently. So even though we do not think that Chelsea will lose against Dortmund, a surprise is never a million miles away.

There is no comparison between Chelsea and Manchester City right now. Manchester City is far better and much deadlier than Chelsea. Manchester City is highly motivated to win the Champions League title this season, probably more than it is to win the English Premier League title. Which makes Manchester City a fearsome opponent in the Champions League.

The current Champions League teams are almost all, in my opinion, capable of winning the title of the Champions League if they continue to compete in an aggressive manner. So, no opponent can be underestimated from now on by any team.


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December 03, 2022, 04:21:51 PM
No club wants their players injured after playing a match for their country. Because clubs spend a lot of money on players. When a player gets injured, it affects their team performance. So it is natural that clubs will not want a player to play for his country. Still it is an honor for every player to achieve something for his country. And so the players try hard to play in the country's jersey. However, players should perform carefully.
Every team will be happy if their players can be called upon to strengthen their country in the Qatar world cup. no team wants to see their players injured in this prestigious event. therefore we really want to see in this world cup that no players are injured and after the world cup ends they can return to their respective clubs in good health.

even apart from injuries, we also don't expect the star players to be affected by their mentality because among them they really want to kiss the world cup trophy but their country doesn't qualify like Belgium.

Before the champions league resumes, of course the players participating in the world cup have time to recover from physical and energy fatigue before the league restarts. I think everything will return perfectly and there is nothing to worry about.
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December 03, 2022, 04:10:53 PM
I think Manchester City will be happy that Kelvin De Bruyne  is not playing in the world cup for safety from getting injured in the competition but like you said, business-wise it is not so good for City because the value of Haaland would have gone up if he featured and put up a good performance in the world cup. I just can't wait for the EPL to resume to see how both City and Arsenal will hold up until the end.
There are plenty of Manchester City players currently still playing in the last 16 of the World Cup for England, Portugal, Argentina and others. They still hope that all of their players can stay safe without injury, even though they still have the chance to fight for their country. We are all waiting for the Premier League, Champions League and all the other competitions as usual but now we are really curious about who will win the World Cup because it is much bigger than the Premier League, Champions League or anything for a player.
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December 03, 2022, 04:04:11 PM
The bookmakers quite clearly give their advantage to Liverpool in the home game against Real Madrid. On the basis of the last final, that does not seem right to me, and yet not on the basis of Liverpool's current form. Why do they think Liverpool is the big favorite there? This Liverpool team has looked vulnerable all season, and if anyone can play well through a counterattack, it is of course Real madrid. I think maybe Liverpool could lose at home to Madrid. Odds for Liverpool to win are around 1.90
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December 03, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
I suspect some good players may be underperforming due to the World Cup. Like you, Kevin De Bruyne who is resting due to injury, while Haaland, whose country failed to qualify for the World Cup, is currently taking time off. From these things, I think after the World Cup, the clubs will have some negative impact on the performance of the players.
Playing for the country is a matter of pride for football players but not for clubs who may be afraid of having a negative impact on their performance, many clubs actually don't want to let go of their players to play in the world cup but the player's commitment to the country of course must be respected by the club, many clubs feel very disadvantaged when later their players are injured when they have to play in the world cup and of course that will cause the club to experience a decrease in performance and also increase the burden on caring for these players, in my opinion, the clubs that were previously able to be consistent in leagues and leagues champions may no longer be able to do the same thing later due to injuries or fatigue that players get when playing in the current world cup.

No club wants their players injured after playing a match for their country. Because clubs spend a lot of money on players. When a player gets injured, it affects their team performance. So it is natural that clubs will not want a player to play for his country. Still it is an honor for every player to achieve something for his country. And so the players try hard to play in the country's jersey. However, players should perform carefully.
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December 03, 2022, 02:05:02 PM
There is a gap that separates the team that is superior in this competition, and the team that will be eliminated in the round of 16 later. we can compare it with the depth of players they have, consistency, teamwork, mental readiness, then combine them into a team that is more prepared and established as a candidate to win this competition trophy.

and yes all the teams that enter the last 16 of the champions league, have the same one formula. the formula is, win the fight in each match after match. Chelsea is no exception, even though this team does not have a high probability of continuing to advance to the Champions League final later. even so, Potter will prepare his troops to face Dortmund in the round of 16 match later. I'm optimistic, at least Chelsea will advance to the next round after overthrowing Dortmund. however, when compared to Manchester City. clearly, there is a gap that distinguishes that Pep Guardiola's army is more prepared and established when compared to Chelsea.
It's clear that we are not going to see players being that different as a group, but super different individually and that makes the difference. When you take for example Bruna Silva and put him in Benfica, then Benfica doesn't suddenly become a UCL title contender, or when you put Haaland on Dortmund or something they weren't, and that's how you know that these players are not individually winning anything, but when you put them together suddenly they are much better.

So, you may see Haaland as a great talent, but he means nothing by himself, only the context of the team makes him so much better and have a chance to win in the long run. That's the difference between lower and higher level teams.
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December 03, 2022, 12:24:33 PM
I suspect some good players may be underperforming due to the World Cup. Like you, Kevin De Bruyne who is resting due to injury, while Haaland, whose country failed to qualify for the World Cup, is currently taking time off. From these things, I think after the World Cup, the clubs will have some negative impact on the performance of the players.
Playing for the country is a matter of pride for football players but not for clubs who may be afraid of having a negative impact on their performance, many clubs actually don't want to let go of their players to play in the world cup but the player's commitment to the country of course must be respected by the club, many clubs feel very disadvantaged when later their players are injured when they have to play in the world cup and of course that will cause the club to experience a decrease in performance and also increase the burden on caring for these players, in my opinion, the clubs that were previously able to be consistent in leagues and leagues champions may no longer be able to do the same thing later due to injuries or fatigue that players get when playing in the current world cup.
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