UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season - page 633.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 25, 2022, 11:36:45 AM

Quote from: zuzie on November 25, 2022, 10:32:32 AM

I think we need to see the debut of the top 16 teams from different leagues to see how good they are in this competition.
Even though so far Napoli has appear quite tough in Serie A, what needs to be considered is that the teams play in the Champions League are the best teams represent their each league. This of course will be very different from Serie A, Napoli will meet the opponent who have never before they found in Serie A

Napoli is a strong competitor in the Champions League this season, usually we will see the same team name, namely Real Madrid, Liverpool, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan and several other names who can always make it to the round of 16 and so on, this makes the Champions League a continues to be interesting because it will see the rotation of the team that will play in this knockout round.
And I think Napoli are quite lucky because in the round of 16 they will play Frankfurt, not another favorite team and this is enough to open their chances of getting to the quarter-finals, it's just that they have to maintain good performance because by continuing to advance in the champions league will make them have quite a lot of matches to live without being able to maintain performance will make them lose both.

Talking about Eintracht Frankfurt, I also think that they cannot be underestimated at all at this moment, because even Eintracht Frankfurt last season managed to get rid of Barcelona in the Europa League. Also, Eintracht Frankfurt started this season in the Bundesliga not so well, but as time goes by Eintracht Frankfurt can get into the top four in the Bundesliga and at least that proves that Eintracht Frankfurt really can't be underestimated this season.
Napoli and Eintracht Frankfurt at this moment are teams that are experiencing an impressive increase in performance, so that any results in this match can still happen.

I mean, even though Napoli is an unbeaten team in Serie A, that still can't guarantee that Napoli will get the convenience to go further in this Champions League.
Therefore, I personally still can't say that Napoli will win. Also, whether or not they have changed after the break, I'm still pretty sure that Eintracht Frankfurt will still provide strong resistance in this match, which means that Napoli and Eintracht Frankfurt will never be easy to get a win at this stage.

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Quote from: zuzie on November 25, 2022, 10:32:32 AM

I think we need to see the debut of the top 16 teams from different leagues to see how good they are in this competition.
Even though so far Napoli has appear quite tough in Serie A, what needs to be considered is that the teams play in the Champions League are the best teams represent their each league. This of course will be very different from Serie A, Napoli will meet the opponent who have never before they found in Serie A

Napoli is a strong competitor in the Champions League this season, usually we will see the same team name, namely Real Madrid, Liverpool, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan and several other names who can always make it to the round of 16 and so on, this makes the Champions League a continues to be interesting because it will see the rotation of the team that will play in this knockout round.
And I think Napoli are quite lucky because in the round of 16 they will play Frankfurt, not another favorite team and this is enough to open their chances of getting to the quarter-finals, it's just that they have to maintain good performance because by continuing to advance in the champions league will make them have quite a lot of matches to live without being able to maintain performance will make them lose both.

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Quote from: arimamib on November 25, 2022, 11:05:49 AM

Napoli can play well in Serie A, the point advantage that Napoli collected from Milan who is in second place makes Spalletti team very comfortable at the top of the standings. Napoli's might will be tested by other favorite clubs in the UCL, it is very difficult for Napoli to compete with other championship candidates because they are not mentally strong enough to be the best in European competition.
PSG and Manchester City, who have wanted the UCL trophy for a long time, have never been able to get it, in terms of the quality of Napoli's players, they are still below PSG and Manchester City. When Napoli face a favorite club, Napoli's chances of losing are huge.

I don't think with Napoli not in the favorite named list for Champion League winning because in group stage have won 5 matches and 1 loss, current top standing at domestic league and become the only team with unbeaten record I think must be taken in favorite team with great achievement at Champion League. No doubt with player quality under PSG, Manchester City and Real Madrid but with weakness Frankfurt opponent at next round I am optimistic with Napoli can lead until quarter or semifinal at champion league.

Have eliminated in the list favorite named for champion league trophy between PSG or Bayern Munich because both team have to face on 16 round, I think left Real Madrid have strength team favorite back to back become the winner in Champion League.

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Quote from: zuzie on November 25, 2022, 10:32:32 AM

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It is their way back of course if they do well in La Liga. It is their bread and butter for the moment and they are trying to make it a forgotten fact. I think for this year that Napoli is among the biggest favorite. They are not the typical club like PSG or Manchester City, but the way they are currently performing makes them one of the best teams in that competition.

I think we need to see the debut of the top 16 teams from different leagues to see how good they are in this competition.
Even though so far Napoli has appear quite tough in Serie A, what needs to be considered is that the teams play in the Champions League are the best teams represent their each league. This of course will be very different from Serie A, Napoli will meet the opponent who have never before they found in Serie A

Napoli can play well in Serie A, the point advantage that Napoli collected from Milan who is in second place makes Spalletti team very comfortable at the top of the standings. Napoli's might will be tested by other favorite clubs in the UCL, it is very difficult for Napoli to compete with other championship candidates because they are not mentally strong enough to be the best in European competition.
PSG and Manchester City, who have wanted the UCL trophy for a long time, have never been able to get it, in terms of the quality of Napoli's players, they are still below PSG and Manchester City. When Napoli face a favorite club, Napoli's chances of losing are huge.

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Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

That is what happened to Barcelona not qualifying in the Champions league, Barcelona was playing very poor but in the laliga they put in all energy to win their games. Maybe inters prefer to win the Champions league for the season. For sometime Barcelona have not been able to win trophies that is why they concentrate and put more effort in winning laliga.

It is their way back of course if they do well in La Liga. It is their bread and butter for the moment and they are trying to make it a forgotten fact. I think for this year that Napoli is among the biggest favorite. They are not the typical club like PSG or Manchester City, but the way they are currently performing makes them one of the best teams in that competition.

I think we need to see the debut of the top 16 teams from different leagues to see how good they are in this competition.
Even though so far Napoli has appear quite tough in Serie A, what needs to be considered is that the teams play in the Champions League are the best teams represent their each league. This of course will be very different from Serie A, Napoli will meet the opponent who have never before they found in Serie A

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That is what happened to Barcelona not qualifying in the Champions league, Barcelona was playing very poor but in the laliga they put in all energy to win their games. Maybe inters prefer to win the Champions league for the season. For sometime Barcelona have not been able to win trophies that is why they concentrate and put more effort in winning laliga.

I don't think Barcelona is too focused on La Liga and they don't do big efforts to win the matches in UCL. Both UCL title and La Liga title are prestigious titles, they must prioritize both of them. They must know that winning UCL title or La Liga title is not easy, they are competing with strong teams. Although in La Liga they only compete with Real Madrid and they can lead the table, there is no guarantee they can maintain first place until the end of the season. So, no reason that they only focus on La Liga because they think they are easier to win it. If they failed in UCL, I think it was because they were unlucky. They must be serious to play in UCL and they already did big efforts.

Unlucky indeed became one of the factors why we did not see Barcelona in the round of 16, also indeed their game in the Champions League was not more promising when they played in La Liga matches. Maybe this happened because in the Champions League the team they faced had a better mentality than the team in La Liga. We'll see how they were beaten by Inter Milan and also Bayern Munich, 2 teams from Serie A and the Bundesliga.
I don't think they only focus on La Liga and that's why they aren't optimal in the Champions League. I agree with what you said that these two titles are the prestigious titles they definitely want. But for the Champions League they have to be more patient and wait until their situation is more stable and solid after going through several problems from the previous season.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on November 24, 2022, 06:39:45 PM

That is what happened to Barcelona not qualifying in the Champions league, Barcelona was playing very poor but in the laliga they put in all energy to win their games. Maybe inters prefer to win the Champions league for the season. For sometime Barcelona have not been able to win trophies that is why they concentrate and put more effort in winning laliga.

I don't think Barcelona is too focused on La Liga and they don't do big efforts to win the matches in UCL. Both UCL title and La Liga title are prestigious titles, they must prioritize both of them. They must know that winning UCL title or La Liga title is not easy, they are competing with strong teams. Although in La Liga they only compete with Real Madrid and they can lead the table, there is no guarantee they can maintain first place until the end of the season. So, no reason that they only focus on La Liga because they think they are easier to win it. If they failed in UCL, I think it was because they were unlucky. They must be serious to play in UCL and they already did big efforts.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on November 24, 2022, 06:39:45 PM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 23, 2022, 06:21:52 PM

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

That is what happened to Barcelona not qualifying in the Champions league, Barcelona was playing very poor but in the laliga they put in all energy to win their games. Maybe inters prefer to win the Champions league for the season. For sometime Barcelona have not been able to win trophies that is why they concentrate and put more effort in winning laliga.

It is their way back of course if they do well in La Liga. It is their bread and butter for the moment and they are trying to make it a forgotten fact. I think for this year that Napoli is among the biggest favorite. They are not the typical club like PSG or Manchester City, but the way they are currently performing makes them one of the best teams in that competition.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 23, 2022, 06:21:52 PM

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

That is what happened to Barcelona not qualifying in the Champions league, Barcelona was playing very poor but in the laliga they put in all energy to win their games. Maybe inters prefer to win the Champions league for the season. For sometime Barcelona have not been able to win trophies that is why they concentrate and put more effort in winning laliga.

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Napoli is also an outsider for the title. If you look at how they have rolled over Ajax and Liverpool, you should definitely take them into account. PSG have all the stars, but every year they fail. Last year they also had a lot of bad luck against Real Madrid. The question is whether Messi can focus again when he starts the second half of the season. If he is eliminated with Argentina at the World Cup in the group, he may be very motivated to take some kind of revenge in the CL or he doesn't feel like it anymore and moves to another club. PSG must ensure that they keep Mbappe, if you lose it it is almost impossible to absorb. Mbappe is better than Neymar as a striker.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on November 24, 2022, 07:28:38 AM

I have always thought that Thomas Tuchel is among the top 3 coaches in the football world for a few years now. He is one of the very few coaches that really improved every club that he joined. He even managed to be on the first position of the Bundesliga table for a few matchdays with his first team as a coach, Mainz that was a huge underdog. Then he was leading Paris St. Germain into the final of the Champions League where they lost only because Bayern Munich had a little bit more luck that day.
Then he a Chelsea team that was totally down and far away from being successful and he made them climb in the premier League again and also win the Champions League title, which was an amazing performance. I think Tuchel should be the top candidate to sign for every club that is looking for a coach.

Many people may have lost patience in his last season at Chelsea because of a series of bad results. Chelsea's game went down and somehow rumors of his sacking surfaced out of the blue and Chelsea signed a manager who wasn't that great. Chelsea gambled on Potter actually because there are many other great coaches who deserve to be in charge of Chelsea this season, but their eyes are on Potter.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 23, 2022, 06:21:52 PM

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

I don't think that's how it actually happened, Inter still has time to improve its performance in its domestic league. with all leagues paused, because of the world cup. all teams that initially performed poorly, had the opportunity to evaluate and improve the weaknesses of their team.
including for Inter, they must take this opportunity to improve their performance, both in the domestic league and the Champions League. after all, the Serie A league schedule still leaves a lot of matches. after all, the difference in points owned by Inter and the position occupied by second place in the standings is not far adrift. Inter still have a chance to finish in the top four of Serie A. After the league resumed, Inter have Lukaku who has recovered from his injury, which will certainly add sharpness to their front line.

And in the last 16 of the champions league later, I am optimistic, Inter will topple Porto. What's more, Inter had a good start, because they had the advantage of playing at home in the first leg.

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Technically all of the rest of the teams have a really low chance of being the champions in the Serie A as Napoli are incredible now. It would be still okay for Inter if they finish the season in top 4 there. However their performance in the Champions League so far has been impressive. While many people weren't giving them much chance against Barcelona and Bayern Munich, they performed much better than Barcelona. They absolutely deserved to be a part of last 16 round.

They have a lucky draw as well. I don't say that Porto is easy to eliminate for them. But they could have had a much more difficult opponent among those teams.

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After being 11 points behind Napoli at the top of the standings, Inter's focus in Serie A has diminished slightly, Serie A this season has been very competitive which has forced Inter to fight hard to return to the top four positions. Inter still have hope in the Champions League, but Inter's chances of getting into the quarter-finals are very small, the favorite clubs will pose a threat to Inter. Manchester City, Real Madrid, Munich and PSG are opponents that Inter will find difficult to beat.
Inter's performance was very good in the group stage, but I don't think Inter will be able to maintain their form against the favorites.

Inter Milan have long enough time to improve their perform in Serie A as the Champions League round of 16 against with FC Porto takes place on February 23 next year. Have several weeks domestic league running and Inter Milan have chance back to top standing position based on how their consistency. I think have advantage for several team still in 16 round of Champion League improve their performance at domestic league, not only with Inter but also Liverpool have inconsistency at domestic league after finish before international break out from top fourth standing placed.

Inter Milan have no goal or chance of winning the Serie A title. Inter Milan are now playing in Serie A just to qualify for the Champions League. And so Inter Milan's aim now should be to perform well in the Champions League. Inter Milan will probably not focus on Serie A now. Liverpool, on the other hand, are now sixth in the Premier League points table. They won only 6 out of 14 matches. And qualifying for the Champions League is also very difficult for Liverpool. The Liverpool coach is now only looking to stabilize his squad. Their target is probably the title next season.

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Quote from: arimamib on November 24, 2022, 01:30:24 PM

After being 11 points behind Napoli at the top of the standings, Inter's focus in Serie A has diminished slightly, Serie A this season has been very competitive which has forced Inter to fight hard to return to the top four positions. Inter still have hope in the Champions League, but Inter's chances of getting into the quarter-finals are very small, the favorite clubs will pose a threat to Inter. Manchester City, Real Madrid, Munich and PSG are opponents that Inter will find difficult to beat.
Inter's performance was very good in the group stage, but I don't think Inter will be able to maintain their form against the favorites.

Inter Milan have long enough time to improve their perform in Serie A as the Champions League round of 16 against with FC Porto takes place on February 23 next year. Have several weeks domestic league running and Inter Milan have chance back to top standing position based on how their consistency. I think have advantage for several team still in 16 round of Champion League improve their performance at domestic league, not only with Inter but also Liverpool have inconsistency at domestic league after finish before international break out from top fourth standing placed.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on November 24, 2022, 06:15:35 AM

By this statement I believe CB is of the opinion Thomas Tuchel had the ability to motivate them correctly and winning trophies with the underrated squad he had. This just tells how good Thomas Tuchel was and until now I insist Chelsea were wrong and mistaken to sack Tuchel. Honestly with Potter I think it will also be difficult to get results with Potter probably until two or three seasons for Potter to reorganise the team and also strengthen his side If he doesn't end up being sacked.

Tuchel and Potter are two different coaches, but of course Tuchel is much better than Potter to most people. But I don't think Chelsea made a very big mistake by hiring Potter as a coach because actually Potter is also believed to be able to make a positive difference for Chelsea. I think Chelsea supporters just need to support any club decision regarding Potter even if they really don't believe Potter can turn things around.

Everything is still in the process stage and I believe Potter still needs to adapt better and find the best solution to improve his team's performance. We'll see how Potter will be able to do his job in the second half of the season but to be honest I think he will be able to guide Chelsea to a safe top 4 finish.

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Quote from: Alanaz on November 24, 2022, 07:36:33 AM

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Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

I think at first they focused on 2 competitions at once, but halfway there was something that made them have to focus on one competition. That could have happened because as we saw at Inter Milan, they are so different when they play in Serie A and the Champions League. Yes, they should be really serious about any competition, but sometimes not all teams can do that due to several factors, such as tired players or so on.

I am feeling there is personal opinion about this with Inter current form is showing they are doing good job in both competitions because they were struggling badly in early rounds of the Serie A.

But, lately they recovered well and now having good spot in league table which is surely going to help them after break for having better spot and their performance in Champions League is also on their best with they are able to achieve their target of having spot into last sixteen with now having fair chance for going into quarterfinal because they are improving their quality and performance which is helping them and this could be positive development for them with Napoli and AC Milan are also having good performance but now most chances after long time we will be able to have two teams from Serie A into last eight which is going to be good for the Italian fans after long wait.

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Quote from: makishart on November 24, 2022, 07:22:02 AM

I thin that you shall not put porto as an underrated team as now. Porto itself can defeat intermilan. The problem is we didn't know whether intermilan can beat it easily or it will have a tough game against porto. Porto was not even underrated at this moment caused by porto was quite consistence during the group stage. It has managed to lose only 1 match. It was easily passing to the next stage and it has become the winner of group. I think that intermilan might be defeated easily by porto.
I will take porto on that match caused by i believe on how consistent porto during the group stage will be affecting the result in the last 16.

Now as we are heading for the knock-out stage no team is having tag of underrated because these 16 teams are surely best from UEFA and here any team can give the best performance on his game day which can create problems for opponent Porto was having best campaign in group stage and lost just two games but still they have done good recovery through their performance and quality on other side Inter is also having some trouble in early matches but after settling they were at the top of their games so just because of this they are now into last 16 specially beating Barcelona is amazing for them.

In this match most chances both teams will try to have better advantage at home and this is going to be vital which team will perform better and have better aggregate will be able to have his spot into last eight, both are level in quality and performance.

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Quote from: Alanaz on November 24, 2022, 07:36:33 AM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 23, 2022, 06:21:52 PM

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

I think at first they focused on 2 competitions at once, but halfway there was something that made them have to focus on one competition. That could have happened because as we saw at Inter Milan, they are so different when they play in Serie A and the Champions League. Yes, they should be really serious about any competition, but sometimes not all teams can do that due to several factors, such as tired players or so on.

After being 11 points behind Napoli at the top of the standings, Inter's focus in Serie A has diminished slightly, Serie A this season has been very competitive which has forced Inter to fight hard to return to the top four positions. Inter still have hope in the Champions League, but Inter's chances of getting into the quarter-finals are very small, the favorite clubs will pose a threat to Inter. Manchester City, Real Madrid, Munich and PSG are opponents that Inter will find difficult to beat.
Inter's performance was very good in the group stage, but I don't think Inter will be able to maintain their form against the favorites.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 24, 2022, 09:17:45 AM

I think it's not the dominance of the Premier League clubs, but the fact that the level of Serie A clubs has fallen. Last year, two teams were eliminated in the group stage and two at once in the 1/8 finals.
This season, three clubs have reached the 1/8 finals and two of them have easy opponents (relative to other options), let's see how they can use this opportunity.

Here I agreed with you, we have big fall in Serie A teams in last few years specially fall in at the top which kill beauty and aggression of this league, and now they are facing deep troubles even in this season we have some better improvement but still now it's long way to go for them if they want to fight for their supremacy in Champions League teams like AC Milan, Inter and Juventus are badly down even out of the top ranks with their inner issues and right now Napoli is trying to cover things, but surely it's not easy with in last few years we have good dominance by English clubs which are doing their best for improving quality and performance which is helping them for having better results in Champions League with Germans are also trying to do better, but they are also not as they have to be for this prestigious league.

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