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Quote from: Oneandpure on November 23, 2022, 12:10:50 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 23, 2022, 11:44:17 AM

I think it's easier to compare games with Chelsea than games in Serie A and everything looks bad for Milan. Even with Chelsea now unusually low in the Premier League, they were able to beat Milan twice. Tottenham are technically better than Chelsea (since they are higher in the standings) so it looks like Milan will be the underdog in this pair. The only argument in favor of Milan is that the games in the group stage and the games in the playoffs are very different.

Primer League teams have consistency and always get good result when facing with Serie A team, this season Chelsea have inconsistency at Primer League success won from Milan at home and away matches, its seemed Primer League team have dominance than Serie A team and Spurs have quite well performance in Primer League than Chelsea.

I think it's not the dominance of the Premier League clubs, but the fact that the level of Serie A clubs has fallen. Last year, two teams were eliminated in the group stage and two at once in the 1/8 finals.
This season, three clubs have reached the 1/8 finals and two of them have easy opponents (relative to other options), let's see how they can use this opportunity.

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This could be true because he knows the characteristics of the players he buys and of course the results show especially when you see Kulusevski now who is doing better at Tottenham.
On the other hand, I feel that Milan's game is not very good for Serie A even though they are in 2nd position.
At the moment their midfield and defense are not very good even if you look at their goal conceding ratio this is actually bad for a big club class.
Even though there is still hope but I am still quite confident with Tottenham in this regard with a record that there will be no significant changes for the players in the transfer break.

I think it's easier to compare games with Chelsea than games in Serie A and everything looks bad for Milan. Even with Chelsea now unusually low in the Premier League, they were able to beat Milan twice. Tottenham are technically better than Chelsea (since they are higher in the standings) so it looks like Milan will be the underdog in this pair. The only argument in favor of Milan is that the games in the group stage and the games in the playoffs are very different.

This is quite reasonable, because in any case when you look at the condition of Milan, especially against EPL clubs, especially with Chelsea in the Champions League group phase, it is clear that this can indeed be a differentiator as well. But indeed we also can't make it look like Milan is a bad club because they are also one of the big clubs and even the defending champions in Serie A although in the end this will look a bit too much because of their current condition.

There will be a lot of consideration in this especially when it is now on a fairly long hiatus so we can only guess but there will likely be different speculation after the transfer opens because there could be some changes for the main Squad of the two clubs especially until now Leao is also still monitored by Madrid who could have gone to the Bernabeu in this transfer.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 23, 2022, 05:21:52 PM

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

I think at first they focused on 2 competitions at once, but halfway there was something that made them have to focus on one competition. That could have happened because as we saw at Inter Milan, they are so different when they play in Serie A and the Champions League. Yes, they should be really serious about any competition, but sometimes not all teams can do that due to several factors, such as tired players or so on.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on November 24, 2022, 05:15:35 AM

By this statement I believe CB is of the opinion Thomas Tuchel had the ability to motivate them correctly and winning trophies with the underrated squad he had. This just tells how good Thomas Tuchel was and until now I insist Chelsea were wrong and mistaken to sack Tuchel. Honestly with Potter I think it will also be difficult to get results with Potter probably until two or three seasons for Potter to reorganise the team and also strengthen his side If he doesn't end up being sacked.

I have always thought that Thomas Tuchel is among the top 3 coaches in the football world for a few years now. He is one of the very few coaches that really improved every club that he joined. He even managed to be on the first position of the Bundesliga table for a few matchdays with his first team as a coach, Mainz that was a huge underdog. Then he was leading Paris St. Germain into the final of the Champions League where they lost only because Bayern Munich had a little bit more luck that day.
Then he a Chelsea team that was totally down and far away from being successful and he made them climb in the premier League again and also win the Champions League title, which was an amazing performance. I think Tuchel should be the top candidate to sign for every club that is looking for a coach.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 23, 2022, 05:21:52 PM

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Inter have seemed so far like they care about the Champions League a little more than the Serie A. Because their performance in the group stage was really impressive. Especially against Barcelona they had really nice results and these ones played the biggest role in their advancing to last 16 round also. On the other hand, they are struggling to keep up with the leader just as the other teams in the Serie A. They are very productive there but they are just dealing with some defensive issues.

I think that they will continue to care about the Champions League the most for now. Because they have a really nice draw in this round against Porto. They are clearly the favourite of this draw and I believe in them to reach the quarter finals. As it is really difficult for them to fight for the Serie A title they can at least push as much as possible in the Champions League.

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

I thin that you shall not put porto as an underrated team as now. Porto itself can defeat intermilan. The problem is we didn't know whether intermilan can beat it easily or it will have a tough game against porto. Porto was not even underrated at this moment caused by porto was quite consistence during the group stage. It has managed to lose only 1 match. It was easily passing to the next stage and it has become the winner of group. I think that intermilan might be defeated easily by porto.
I will take porto on that match caused by i believe on how consistent porto during the group stage will be affecting the result in the last 16.

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The first games in the Champions League don't really matter. For example, last year Sheriff in the first two rounds beat Shakhtar and then Real at the Santiago Bernabeu and led the group, but then everything fell into place. Everyone understood that Chelsea would advance to the next stage, the only surprise for me was that they scored 6 points in the games with Milan, I expected 4.
At the moment, Chelsea are extremely far from being favorites to win the Champions League. Bookmakers estimate their chances as 1 to 13.

Why should that surprise you, are you forgetting that Chelsea was the last two seasons tournament winners that surprised the whole world when they fought their way through to the finals and defeated an informed Manchester city side to lift the trophy. Chelsea has excellent players but just lack a manager to motivate them correctly. We could all see how good the side is when the players gets the right motivation from the manager (Thomas Tuchel using this underrated squad to lift the trophy and Potter going from last in the group to winning the group).

Last two seasons, we weren't favorite as well but yet we lifted the trophy while defeating all the so called favorites. This season I'm not over expecting much from the players since we're yet to have a full squad, the like of Kante and Reece James are injured and that's giving some unbalanced to the team. When we do get our full squad back, I can bodly say we'll defeat any team that dares to stand in our way of lifting the trophy. Potter is an excellent manager, this is just a phase that'll pass and I'm expecting that after the world cup break, Chelsea should easily return to their previous form of winning games convincingly.

By this statement I believe CB is of the opinion Thomas Tuchel had the ability to motivate them correctly and winning trophies with the underrated squad he had. This just tells how good Thomas Tuchel was and until now I insist Chelsea were wrong and mistaken to sack Tuchel. Honestly with Potter I think it will also be difficult to get results with Potter probably until two or three seasons for Potter to reorganise the team and also strengthen his side If he doesn't end up being sacked.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 22, 2022, 03:39:52 PM

Inter have seemed so far like they care about the Champions League a little more than the Serie A. Because their performance in the group stage was really impressive. Especially against Barcelona they had really nice results and these ones played the biggest role in their advancing to last 16 round also. On the other hand, they are struggling to keep up with the leader just as the other teams in the Serie A. They are very productive there but they are just dealing with some defensive issues.

I think that they will continue to care about the Champions League the most for now. Because they have a really nice draw in this round against Porto. They are clearly the favourite of this draw and I believe in them to reach the quarter finals. As it is really difficult for them to fight for the Serie A title they can at least push as much as possible in the Champions League.

Sometimes I wonder how a team will care so much about a competition and care less about another. Inter have been playing impressive football in the Champions league and poorly in the Seria A. I think they need to put in more effort in the league same way they put when they play in the Champions league. They have a nice draw indeed with Porto, this seems to be much easier for them but will it always be that lucky for them?

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I think Benzema will be fit again in time to participate in the CL. But it will not be nice for Real Madrid to know that Benzema is injured. A minimum of 5-6 weeks out will not mean the end of the season, but he will still need to give his body time to recover from the injury. He will be disappointed that he cannot go to the World Cup, but fortunately it is still a relatively mild injury. There have been players in the past in the Champions League who could not play for months. Real Madrid still have a reasonable chance of winning the tournament, but the draw against Liverpool is not in their favour.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 23, 2022, 04:04:36 AM

As long as I am concerned I still believe that Graham Potter is a good coach and he will make good coaching career and Chelsea according to SatoPrincess what he need is time and Chelsea board needs to have patient with Graham Potter to be able to sync his method into the mind of Chelsea players and besides he don't have the hundred percent available players to man up the competition in the English Premier League. I am believing that by next year all his men will be available and Graham Potter would be able to give his best

Nobody really claims that he is a "bad" manager, it’s just that is he good enough for Chelsea? That's the question. Tuchel was so great that he won UCL with this team and then they spent so much more money on a team that already won UCL and still sucked. That is a proof that there is a problem within the team and Potter doesn't seem like he is fixing any of that.

I am not saying that he is bad, for the teams he managed so far, he has been good, he overachieved, but bringing a team that was expected to be 17th to 12th is another thing from making a team who was seen as 5th best to 3rd best, those are very different results and require different type of manager.

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Quote from: rby on November 23, 2022, 01:41:23 PM

If you examine very well the comparison between Manchester City and Dortmund does not hold water. Manchester City is superior to Dortmund and even Dortmund as a club is aware of this. How do you know a team that is superior to other, let me show you how to know it; In the world today is there a team that Dortmund is afraid to play? Yes! PSG, Bayern Munic, Manchester City and Real Madrid

Then in the world today is there a team that Manchester City is afraid to play?
The answer is no there is no team that will give Manchester City to play.

Giggled seeing your post... How bout Real Madrid, Bayern Munich ? Did you miss out on em ? Are they table tennis playing club's ? Nah!!!
It's football, at the end of the match the most dominant side might still end up loosing, if they fail to take good use of the chances they have. And also some errors from coaches who bring in player's who cannot manage the game very well, they'll end up loosing.

It's totally pointless comparing Manchester City and Borrussia Dortmund, so far last season and this season Manchester City has been a better side to the German Side. Can you remember vividly when Dortmund won Real Madrid four goals with Madrid having non ?
It's football, Manchester City are currently in a good form no doubts. I would consider it stupid comparing them both.

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You are right. However well Dortmund play then I will put Manchester City ahead of them. Because there are many players in the Manchester City team who have been supporting the team very well. Besides, one of the personalities of the team is the coach, who is very versatile. Manchester City will do well under his leadership.

Based on the squad depth of the two teams, Manchester City is superior to Dortmund. I think anyone who understands football will put Manchester as a team that can win. Manchester City will try to give their best game to go further in the Champions League. His dream of winning the UCL trophy will be a motivation for Manchester City players to provide competition to other favorite teams. Dortmund is a strong team, but not for Manchester City.

If you examine very well the comparison between Manchester City and Dortmund does not hold water. Manchester City is superior to Dortmund and even Dortmund as a club is aware of this. How do you know a team that is superior to other, let me show you how to know it; In the world today is there a team that Dortmund is afraid to play? Yes! PSG, Bayern Munic, Manchester City and Real Madrid

Then in the world today is there a team that Manchester City is afraid to play?
The answer is no there is no team that will give Manchester City to play.

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Quote from: fachant on November 23, 2022, 04:36:14 AM

You are right. However well Dortmund play then I will put Manchester City ahead of them. Because there are many players in the Manchester City team who have been supporting the team very well. Besides, one of the personalities of the team is the coach, who is very versatile. Manchester City will do well under his leadership.

Based on the squad depth of the two teams, Manchester City is superior to Dortmund. I think anyone who understands football will put Manchester as a team that can win. Manchester City will try to give their best game to go further in the Champions League. His dream of winning the UCL trophy will be a motivation for Manchester City players to provide competition to other favorite teams. Dortmund is a strong team, but not for Manchester City.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 23, 2022, 11:44:17 AM

I think it's easier to compare games with Chelsea than games in Serie A and everything looks bad for Milan. Even with Chelsea now unusually low in the Premier League, they were able to beat Milan twice. Tottenham are technically better than Chelsea (since they are higher in the standings) so it looks like Milan will be the underdog in this pair. The only argument in favor of Milan is that the games in the group stage and the games in the playoffs are very different.

Primer League teams have consistency and always get good result when facing with Serie A team, this season Chelsea have inconsistency at Primer League success won from Milan at home and away matches, its seemed Primer League team have dominance than Serie A team and Spurs have quite well performance in Primer League than Chelsea.

Quote from: makishart on November 23, 2022, 04:50:46 AM

The new owner from chelsea didn't have patience. He wants to sack potter. he must be ever more impatience rather than abramovich as an old owner of chelsea and the problem is when the coach didn't have the same vision with him and he will be sacking that coach instantly from the club.

Chelsea have contrast performance between domestic league and Champion League, I don't think good ideas when sacking Graham Potter early after several bad result at domestic league. Chelsea managed first standing position in group stage at Champion League and qualify to next round, I think if Graham Potter success bring Chelsea to final stage and bad achievement at domestic league not matter with his position keep secure.

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Real Madrid - Liverpool and PSG - Bayern Munich matchups are like early final matches. Real Madrid and PSG are my favourites in these. Real Madrid are still doing a great job in the Champions League. Maybe they didn't have a very tough group but their performance was still impressive in the end. Besides we watched how they performed in the previous season here against the biggest teams. I think they are one step ahead of Liverpool as long as Liverpool don't make a big improvement.

PSG eliminated Bayern Munich before and they can do this again. They have a great trio that would play a huge role in advancing to quarter finals. Bayern Munich haven't signed a striker after selling Lewandowski but they are still doing a great job now. But we never know what they will do against a team that play much more solid than their opponents in the group stage. PSG might eliminate them again by a close margin.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 22, 2022, 03:39:52 PM

I think that they will continue to care about the Champions League the most for now. Because they have a really nice draw in this round against Porto. They are clearly the favourite of this draw and I believe in them to reach the quarter finals. As it is really difficult for them to fight for the Serie A title they can at least push as much as possible in the Champions League.

Well it isn't that Inter Milan actually care about the CL more than the Seria A this season, i mean, even they know they cannot win it, though going pretty far in the CL is an achievement in itself, it just happens that they have had more luck in the CL than in the Seria A, and Napoli are heads and shoulders above the rest of the teams in the Seria A, so it almost seems like the title is heading to Naples. Barcelona were also weak competitors for Inter Milan in group C, they have the history but Xavi and his boys have a long way to go before they can be elite again.

Having said that, Porto v Inter Milan is 50/50 imo, it is a very even game and the both teams are of equal strength, mind you that Porto finished top in group B, a group that Athletico Madrid were in, Porto are a very strong team, and they have a great chance of eliminating Inter Milan.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 22, 2022, 06:33:09 PM

This could be true because he knows the characteristics of the players he buys and of course the results show especially when you see Kulusevski now who is doing better at Tottenham.
On the other hand, I feel that Milan's game is not very good for Serie A even though they are in 2nd position.
At the moment their midfield and defense are not very good even if you look at their goal conceding ratio this is actually bad for a big club class.
Even though there is still hope but I am still quite confident with Tottenham in this regard with a record that there will be no significant changes for the players in the transfer break.

I think it's easier to compare games with Chelsea than games in Serie A and everything looks bad for Milan. Even with Chelsea now unusually low in the Premier League, they were able to beat Milan twice. Tottenham are technically better than Chelsea (since they are higher in the standings) so it looks like Milan will be the underdog in this pair. The only argument in favor of Milan is that the games in the group stage and the games in the playoffs are very different.

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Quote from: blue Snow on November 22, 2022, 08:14:34 PM

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Inter have seemed so far like they care about the Champions League a little more than the Serie A. Because their performance in the group stage was really impressive. Especially against Barcelona they had really nice results and these ones played the biggest role in their advancing to last 16 round also. On the other hand, they are struggling to keep up with the leader just as the other teams in the Serie A. They are very productive there but they are just dealing with some defensive issues.

Maybe they look care by chance because Barcelona is seemed unstable at the moment and Inter takes advantage of the opportunity by the chance. As I know, if Barcelona can play like they played in La Liga, Inter could be in Barcelona's position right now. beside that case, Inter seems not to give up a weak club, Viktoria Plzen for getting the winning and in fact lost versus Munchen. So, we can said they only focus on the champions league if win versus Porto whether it's at home or away.

Seeing what happened to them in Serie A and in the Champions League, it can be said that their performance is better when they play Champions League matches. Maybe it's true that this is inseparable from the poor performance in the Champions League, so they make the best of what their opponents lack. If that's true, it can be said that they can take advantage of their opponent's weaknesses very well.

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Leipzig is not an easy team to beat, they have quite an impressive record and are currently ranked 3rd on the Bundesliga standings. I am quite optimistic that after the league resumes rolling, Leipzig will be able to place its ranking up to second place, eliminating Freiburg. although not as strong as Manchester City, at least they will provide quite a fierce resistance considering they have a history of two meetings in the champions league last season. and don't forget, Leipzig has also made it difficult for Real Madrid in the second leg of the group phase. and the match was won by Leipzig with a score of 3-2.

however, that Manchester City is stronger and more of a favourite. plus at this time, Haaland is predicted to be the key for Manchester City to win a trophy in this competition. Leipzig is not the toughest opponent they will face. City is still predicted to overthrow Leipzig in the round of 16 later. it's just that, Pep Guardiola should not underestimate the opposing team.

Agree to disagree there mate. City is a huge football club now, I feel like Leipzig will not be a problem for them at all, lets just take a look at how many goals Haaland scored against them when he played for Dortmund, never really checked maybe the result is zero but I have a feeling it must be a lot.

I feel like City as a whole is better than Dortmund anyway, so we are going to see some great scoring from City. I am not saying City will just win, I say aggregate result will be 4.5+ goals easily, because City is that much better. People may see Leipzig as a good team, and when people see them lose big time, they will realize that no matter how big Leipzig could be in bundesliga, City is far superior in world of football.

That's for sure, and no one doubts it. the City team is more established and on a different level to Leipzig. most people will agree, if City will overthrow Leipzig in the round of 16 later. however, based on the H2H history they have. City, was defeated by Leipzig 2-1 in the second leg of the Champions League last season. but right now, City is more ferocious in terms of strength. and has a very good depth of player plus the presence of Haaland, he is a monster who is thirsty for goals.

but never forget, Manchester City was defeated by Leipzig while playing at the Red Bull Arena home to Leipzig. but we are quite optimistic, City will qualify for the next round. but with the condition that they should not underestimate their opposing teams who will meet in the round of 16 later.

Speaking of Dortmund, what should we compare from these two teams. nothing, in fact City were better prepared than the other teams coming from the premier league team, who qualified for the last 16 of the champions league. in fact, if we compare City and Madrid at the moment, IMO, City are more prepared in terms of game play, performance and goal productivity.

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Again and again, todd is always become a funny guy. This owner was thinking if he was playing football manager and he can sack a coach anytime if the club didn't perform so well. What a worst owner. Abramovich far better rather than him caused by he could understand if the process take times to happen. Rodgers was also the worst coach for now. Pochettino was the only possible thing for chelsea. it has tuchel but sadly he was getting sacked after the clubhas been moving into the new hand.
that's very sad to see that chelsea will never able to be consistent and find its best play if it must have forced to adapt with a new coach anytime. It's better todd to play football manager in the game rather than real life.

I don't weird when seeing the new owner is very speculative about the future of the club, but when talking about coaches of course that makes team to be video games, the new owner must be don't be like a gamer when managing a big club like Chelsea. I know sometimes the emotion will control your self when always lost and lost but Chelsea is still good, especially on the champions league, they just depending it after the world cup and back to the best performance.

The new owner from chelsea didn't have patience. He wants to sack potter. he must be ever more impatience rather than abramovich as an old owner of chelsea and the problem is when the coach didn't have the same vision with him and he will be sacking that coach instantly from the club.
As an owner and he was lack of wise. Any coach deserves the more time to manage the club and second chance once the club was getting bad performance. Building the club was not easy caused by there must be a good team work being created
that can be built from the chemistry by coach with the players in the club.

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Quote from: tygeade on November 23, 2022, 03:34:34 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on November 21, 2022, 02:21:53 PM

Leipzig is not an easy team to beat, they have quite an impressive record and are currently ranked 3rd on the Bundesliga standings. I am quite optimistic that after the league resumes rolling, Leipzig will be able to place its ranking up to second place, eliminating Freiburg. although not as strong as Manchester City, at least they will provide quite a fierce resistance considering they have a history of two meetings in the champions league last season. and don't forget, Leipzig has also made it difficult for Real Madrid in the second leg of the group phase. and the match was won by Leipzig with a score of 3-2.

however, that Manchester City is stronger and more of a favourite. plus at this time, Haaland is predicted to be the key for Manchester City to win a trophy in this competition. Leipzig is not the toughest opponent they will face. City is still predicted to overthrow Leipzig in the round of 16 later. it's just that, Pep Guardiola should not underestimate the opposing team.

Agree to disagree there mate. City is a huge football club now, I feel like Leipzig will not be a problem for them at all, lets just take a look at how many goals Haaland scored against them when he played for Dortmund, never really checked maybe the result is zero but I have a feeling it must be a lot.

I feel like City as a whole is better than Dortmund anyway, so we are going to see some great scoring from City. I am not saying City will just win, I say aggregate result will be 4.5+ goals easily, because City is that much better. People may see Leipzig as a good team, and when people see them lose big time, they will realize that no matter how big Leipzig could be in bundesliga, City is far superior in world of football.

You are right. However well Dortmund play then I will put Manchester City ahead of them. Because there are many players in the Manchester City team who have been supporting the team very well. Besides, one of the personalities of the team is the coach, who is very versatile. Manchester City will do well under his leadership.

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