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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on October 27, 2022, 09:44:48 AM

Management that is not too good actually has been felt from the previous few seasons but it is getting better in my opinion. Barcelona's problem is quite complicated right now so we can't really blame just one party because of course something like this has become a common mistake.
It is also difficult for them to change management now because of course this is still related to financial conditions.

I don't know what's wrong with Barcelona's management, I think it's good as expected but the results of his campaign this season are not very impressive. Barcelona failed to advance to the last 16 of the Champions League actually not because they don't have good management, it's because 3 out of 4 teams in the group are strong teams and I think people shouldn't ignore that.

The problem is not as complicated as I think, I really see things differently from their performance in Laliga where Barcelona are able to maintain a consistent game with only 3 points away from the leader of the table. This season's Champions League is difficult for Barcelona, the same may be recognized by all the teams in the group but if Barcelona are ready on all fronts then the result may not be the same.

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Quote from: boltz on October 27, 2022, 04:39:48 AM

Old habits dies hard it seems. Lewa went straight to Bayern locker room after the game ended in order to change some words with his ex-teammates but I think he should have moved further and be on his way to Barca locker room and try to motivate them because they just lost and moved into Europa League for 2nd time in a row... Sad

. Lewa is a great player but he needs more support from his team because age won't wait for him any longer...

The problem may be in terms of proximity, although indeed things like this should be minimized, but the old togetherness between Lewa and Bayern Munich can't be blamed either.
Actually, in this case, it depends on our perspective, it really depends on whether we really have a problem with it or not but I'm not too bothered because motivation doesn't really matter because the game is over and in fact they lost again and returned to the Europa League.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on October 27, 2022, 07:27:40 AM

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By this 2-2 draw, Atletico Madrid are also officially in the Europa League. They weren't very good here last season as well and barely managed to move on by the last group games. But this time they couldn't do the same and said goodbye to the Champions League even before the last games. Actually there has been an improvement in their effort in the La Liga lately but it isn't the same when it comes to this tournament I'm afraid.

Looking at how serious the match was, I believe that Bayern Leverkusen will qualify after securing the draw, because they, like Atletico Madrid, tried everything possible to secure a win, but both were unlucky as the match ended in a draw, and FC Porto were fortunate to secure a win against group B leaders Club Brugge as they finally secured their spot on the UEFA Champions League round of 16 which was not as expected at the start of the Champions League.

It looks like these two clubs did want to keep their hopes of qualifying at first but with this draw it's clear their chances are closed now but can still compete for the 3rd place for the Europa League.
In this match Xabi's team actually played quite well even though they played away but their defense was very tight in this match and the goal that Atletico scored was outside the penalty box because of the difficulty of penetrating into the penalty box due to the tight defense from Leverkuesen.

Quote from: Ris88 on October 27, 2022, 09:33:47 AM

There is no time for Barcelona in the Champions League, the glory they had before now they have run out since Lionel Messi left Barcelona, this is the second thing for this team to be thrown into the Europa League, at least Barcelona must improve in the current management, Xavi it is no longer suitable to handle Bacelona at least Barcelona can find a coach who is experienced enough in his field, so that there is an improvement from the previous matches...

Management that is not too good actually has been felt from the previous few seasons but it is getting better in my opinion. Barcelona's problem is quite complicated right now so we can't really blame just one party because of course something like this has become a common mistake.
It is also difficult for them to change management now because of course this is still related to financial conditions.

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Yesterday, almost all matches were over 2.5 goals. Only Tottenham - Sporting match had 2 goals, and then a goal was scored in the last 15 seconds of extra time, but it was canceled due to offside. It was a very interesting moment indeed, when we looked at it, it didn't seem like offside. It was a dramatic ending. Conte is shown the red card. Tottenham were very happy, but when the cancellation came, everyone was upset. Sporting, on the other hand, was at the point of winning the match until the last 15 minutes, but became happy to save 1 point at the last moment. As we enter the final week, there is still a possibility that each team will be 1st or 4th in that group. In other groups, those who advance and those who will continue their way from the Europa League were more or less clear.

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Quote from: fzkto on October 27, 2022, 09:22:28 AM

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 27, 2022, 07:41:11 AM

It's a bad day for Barcelona. They lost badly when they played at home and they had to be eliminated from the Champions League. I think there is something they need to fix because if they just keep playing like that then they too will definitely be eliminated from the Europa League.

First, they got good achievement in the past season to end at the runner-up position and were eligible for Champions League group stage in this season.

Second, they hope too high that they can go too far in Champions League. Anyway, think backwards about the first point, they should feel satisfy that at least they have gotten some good income from Champions League.

Next they must consider about their weaknesses and try to improve it in future transfers. With some young players like Fati, Gavi, Pedri, Dembele, they can have a bright future. But they must improve their defense more seriously as if they fail with this mission, their general power will be still weak.

It probably would have been like you said, but for Barcelona this Champions League season has been a real failure. While last year they performed equally badly in both the Champions League and La Liga, this year they are in a good position in the domestic league, so I don't think they should be forgiven for losing in the Champions League.

There is no time for Barcelona in the Champions League, the glory they had before now they have run out since Lionel Messi left Barcelona, this is the second thing for this team to be thrown into the Europa League, at least Barcelona must improve in the current management, Xavi it is no longer suitable to handle Bacelona at least Barcelona can find a coach who is experienced enough in his field, so that there is an improvement from the previous matches...

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Quote from: rendravolt on October 27, 2022, 07:50:46 AM

Last night when the score was already 3 - 0 I had turned off the television because I was very sure that Inter Milan would win and be the runner up of the group. This is the second time in a row Barcelona have dropped into the Europa League, after last season they also suffered the same fate.

It really hurts but I'm sure they have fought for a place despite the disappointing result. I didn't expect Barcelona to have to drop out of the Champions League so quickly, but I really know they are in the most difficult group based on the quality of the team. The result was disappointing, but I really saw an improvement in the quality of the players they had even though their defense was still very weak against big teams.

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Quote from: OcTradism on October 27, 2022, 07:54:07 AM

Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 27, 2022, 07:41:11 AM

It's a bad day for Barcelona. They lost badly when they played at home and they had to be eliminated from the Champions League. I think there is something they need to fix because if they just keep playing like that then they too will definitely be eliminated from the Europa League.

First, they got good achievement in the past season to end at the runner-up position and were eligible for Champions League group stage in this season.

Second, they hope too high that they can go too far in Champions League. Anyway, think backwards about the first point, they should feel satisfy that at least they have gotten some good income from Champions League.

Next they must consider about their weaknesses and try to improve it in future transfers. With some young players like Fati, Gavi, Pedri, Dembele, they can have a bright future. But they must improve their defense more seriously as if they fail with this mission, their general power will be still weak.

It probably would have been like you said, but for Barcelona this Champions League season has been a real failure. While last year they performed equally badly in both the Champions League and La Liga, this year they are in a good position in the domestic league, so I don't think they should be forgiven for losing in the Champions League.

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Quote from: OcTradism on October 27, 2022, 07:54:07 AM

Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 27, 2022, 07:41:11 AM

It's a bad day for Barcelona. They lost badly when they played at home and they had to be eliminated from the Champions League. I think there is something they need to fix because if they just keep playing like that then they too will definitely be eliminated from the Europa League.

First, they got good achievement in the past season to end at the runner-up position and were eligible for Champions League group stage in this season.

Second, they hope too high that they can go too far in Champions League. Anyway, think backwards about the first point, they should feel satisfy that at least they have gotten some good income from Champions League.

Next they must consider about their weaknesses and try to improve it in future transfers. With some young players like Fati, Gavi, Pedri, Dembele, they can have a bright future. But they must improve their defense more seriously as if they fail with this mission, their general power will be still weak.

Yes, Barcelona is not that strong to get away from the Champions League group phase by having tough opponents, Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. The fact is they can't beat these 2 strong teams and even they have to accept 2 defeats to Bayern Munich which has always beaten them in the last few seasons. Barcelona do have a good squad compared to last season, but it still can't be compared to other strong teams who are much more prepared.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 27, 2022, 08:11:26 AM

When the group matches didn't start yet I was pretty confident about Barcelona to qualify for next stage with Bayern Munich. I was even indecisive about whether they would finish as leader. Grin

Because Bayern Munich didn't start the Bundesliga well and they were lacking a striker. But now things are completely the opposite.

Barcelona are just in a really interesting situation. They are doing good in the La Liga when we take the results they have got in general so far. But they just can't reflect the same performance on bigger matches in the Champions League. They collected only one point against Bayern Munich and Inter in total. Can you imagine how horrible statistics this is? I wonder what Xavi is thinking about this situation. But clearly he doesn't intend to change anything in the team for now.

What Xavi is thinking is that Barcelona should focus more on the La Liga now that they will be playing in Europa League.In Europa League they will play mostly against opponents which are not as strong as them in terms of quality and most likely they will go very far there,personally I believe they will win this year Europa League and now that the odd of them should be really big as soon as they go there I am planning to bet some money on them.

They lost in this group not against Bayern but against Inter which they were supposed to win,they couldn't even in their home ground and now their main focus should be the La Liga as they are getting 3 points a lot of times there and they have only lost them against Real lately.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 27, 2022, 08:11:26 AM

When the group matches didn't start yet I was pretty confident about Barcelona to qualify for next stage with Bayern Munich. I was even indecisive about whether they would finish as leader. Grin

Because Bayern Munich didn't start the Bundesliga well and they were lacking a striker. But now things are completely the opposite.

Barcelona are just in a really interesting situation. They are doing good in the La Liga when we take the results they have got in general so far. But they just can't reflect the same performance on bigger matches in the Champions League. They collected only one point against Bayern Munich and Inter in total. Can you imagine how horrible statistics this is? I wonder what Xavi is thinking about this situation. But clearly he doesn't intend to change anything in the team for now.

That Pedri Gavi partnership seems immature those possession are rubbish if you don't push forward for goals, just the way Bayern scored the second goal, three touches of the ball lead to them scoring, that's how precise thru should be. Dembele dribbles a lot I don't know if Xavi fails to caution him about that. But moving this top sides to Europa will make Europa more interesting than the Champions League, with Juventus and Barcelona all demoted down

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When the group matches didn't start yet I was pretty confident about Barcelona to qualify for next stage with Bayern Munich. I was even indecisive about whether they would finish as leader. Grin

Because Bayern Munich didn't start the Bundesliga well and they were lacking a striker. But now things are completely the opposite.

Barcelona are just in a really interesting situation. They are doing good in the La Liga when we take the results they have got in general so far. But they just can't reflect the same performance on bigger matches in the Champions League. They collected only one point against Bayern Munich and Inter in total. Can you imagine how horrible statistics this is? I wonder what Xavi is thinking about this situation. But clearly he doesn't intend to change anything in the team for now.

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I expect a lot of goals today in the match Barcelona vs Bayer Munich. Barcelona scored 3 goals in their last Inter Milan match. Although there was no goal in their first match with Bayern, Barcelona had a lot of chances. The team seems to be in good form in the last few weeks. It actually looks ideal for over 2.5. The matches in Group A are very important, Napoli has not lost for weeks, I don't think there will be many surprise results in this match. In this critical match of Liverpool vs Ajax, there may not be a goal in return.

Barcelona have lost 9 of their 12 matches against Bayern Munich in the Champions League. I think this stat will go up to 10. Considering the football played by Barcelona in Europe, it would not be a surprise if they lost this match. That's why choosing Barcelona in bets is a big mistake. We saw that there was no goal in the Dortmund-City match played yesterday. These matches are very risky in terms of betting. If I'm going to play, I watch for a while at the beginning of the match and bet accordingly.

I didn't expect Barcelona to win anyway, I didn't specify who would win, yes you are right. However, Bayern Munich was the side that scored the most goals in the match, predicting that there would be many goals in the match. Thus, Barcelona said goodbye to the champions league a little early. The Inter match was very good, I watched it towards the end, Lukaku came back from injury and he looks really in form. He's a very productive striker for Inter if he doesn't get injured again.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 27, 2022, 07:41:11 AM

It's a bad day for Barcelona. They lost badly when they played at home and they had to be eliminated from the Champions League. I think there is something they need to fix because if they just keep playing like that then they too will definitely be eliminated from the Europa League.

First, they got good achievement in the past season to end at the runner-up position and were eligible for Champions League group stage in this season.

Second, they hope too high that they can go too far in Champions League. Anyway, think backwards about the first point, they should feel satisfy that at least they have gotten some good income from Champions League.

Next they must consider about their weaknesses and try to improve it in future transfers. With some young players like Fati, Gavi, Pedri, Dembele, they can have a bright future. But they must improve their defense more seriously as if they fail with this mission, their general power will be still weak.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 26, 2022, 11:12:26 AM

Inter - Plzen game is very critical for Barcelona. Unless Plzen defeat Inter, Barcelona are out of the Champions League officially. The result of their Bayern Munich game won't matter in that case.

Considering the current condition of Inter and Plzen, there is no way Plzen are getting a win of course. Inter should be able to destroy them by a clear score. I didn't even bet on Barcelona - Bayern Munich because I want to see how Inter's game will go on first. But if I bet on that game anyway then my preference would be both teams to score. This time Barcelona also should be able to score at least one goal in home stadium. The odd for that is quite low like 1.43 maybe but it can still be added to a parlay.

The fate of a big club like Barcelona must be decided by Plzen is an irony. Now that Inter Milan have led 3 - 0 against Plzen, it is certain that Barcelona's chance to advance to the next round of the Champions League is increasingly impossible. It was a bad day for Barcelona and after this they had to go to the Europa League.

It's more than impossible for Barcelona to progress to the next round, even though they won against Bayern Muchen which I don't think Bayern Muchen will let Barcelona win.
Inter vs Viktoria Plzen the current score is 4-0 Lukaku's last goal in the 87th minute after replacing Martinez in the 84th minute, and Viktoria Plzen is an easy opponent for Inter and also without a win against all the teams in group C which makes it easier for Inter qualify for the next round with Bayern Muchen.

Last night when the score was already 3 - 0 I had turned off the television because I was very sure that Inter Milan would win and be the runner up of the group. This is the second time in a row Barcelona have dropped into the Europa League, after last season they also suffered the same fate.

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Quote from: davis196 on October 27, 2022, 06:10:28 AM

Barcelona needs to get rid of the veterans like Busquets and Pique. They did a great job in the last 10 years for the club, but they can't maintain their top performance from 10 years ago. Barcelona needs more physical strength in the middle. Pedri is a really talented player, but he's short and skinny. Keeping Lewandowski and Dembele for the next season is crucial. I don't know why Barcelona sold Aybameyang, maybe because of the financial difficulties the Catalonian club is facing. Aybameyang and Lewandowski would have been a great attacking duo.
I'm also sad that Atletico Madrid missed the chance to win against Leverkusen. That missed penalty at the end was ridiculous.

They have the players i think the problem is the staff and coaches. With how much money problems they have they dont have player problems they can get some good defenders to make their defence stronger but thats it. They have a good team only its not used the way it has to be used. Another waste of a season for Barcelona in the champions league.

It's a bad day for Barcelona. They lost badly when they played at home and they had to be eliminated from the Champions League. I think there is something they need to fix because if they just keep playing like that then they too will definitely be eliminated from the Europa League.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 27, 2022, 06:53:47 AM

By this 2-2 draw, Atletico Madrid are also officially in the Europa League. They weren't very good here last season as well and barely managed to move on by the last group games. But this time they couldn't do the same and said goodbye to the Champions League even before the last games. Actually there has been an improvement in their effort in the La Liga lately but it isn't the same when it comes to this tournament I'm afraid.

Looking at how serious the match was, I believe that Bayern Leverkusen will qualify after securing the draw, because they, like Atletico Madrid, tried everything possible to secure a win, but both were unlucky as the match ended in a draw, and FC Porto were fortunate to secure a win against group B leaders Club Brugge as they finally secured their spot on the UEFA Champions League round of 16 which was not as expected at the start of the Champions League.

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Quote from: davis196 on October 27, 2022, 06:10:28 AM

Barcelona needs to get rid of the veterans like Busquets and Pique. They did a great job in the last 10 years for the club, but they can't maintain their top performance from 10 years ago. Barcelona needs more physical strength in the middle. Pedri is a really talented player, but he's short and skinny. Keeping Lewandowski and Dembele for the next season is crucial. I don't know why Barcelona sold Aybameyang, maybe because of the financial difficulties the Catalonian club is facing. Aybameyang and Lewandowski would have been a great attacking duo.
I'm also sad that Atletico Madrid missed the chance to win against Leverkusen. That missed penalty at the end was ridiculous.

They have the players i think the problem is the staff and coaches. With how much money problems they have they dont have player problems they can get some good defenders to make their defence stronger but thats it. They have a good team only its not used the way it has to be used. Another waste of a season for Barcelona in the champions league.

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It was such a dramatic ending for Atletico Madrid. They were so close to defeating Bayer Leverkusen actually. The minute was like 90+9 while Atletico Madrid were using their last chance by a penalty. The goalkeeper Hradecky saved the penalty first. Then there was a header by Atletico Madrid but it bounced off the goal post. Right after that they tried their luck again with another shot but it hit Carrasco and the ball went just over the upper goal post.

By this 2-2 draw, Atletico Madrid are also officially in the Europa League. They weren't very good here last season as well and barely managed to move on by the last group games. But this time they couldn't do the same and said goodbye to the Champions League even before the last games. Actually there has been an improvement in their effort in the La Liga lately but it isn't the same when it comes to this tournament I'm afraid.

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Quote from: Luzin on October 27, 2022, 06:26:07 AM

Quote from: davis196 on October 27, 2022, 06:10:28 AM

Barcelona needs to get rid of the veterans like Busquets and Pique. They did a great job in the last 10 years for the club, but they can't maintain their top performance from 10 years ago. Barcelona needs more physical strength in the middle. Pedri is a really talented player, but he's short and skinny. Keeping Lewandowski and Dembele for the next season is crucial.

They are regenerating, they need time. The blackness of Xavi, Inesta and Messi gave Barcelona a hard time. Only Busquet and Pique were left at this time. Pedri is a good player but he needs a lot of hours to play.
This failure can certainly illustrate that Barcelona's glory is still not back. Xavi has not been able to make Barcelona great again. Next is the European cup, Xavi must maximize the results in the Europa League. Maybe they should be champions so that fans don't get disappointed.

Or xavi will have the same result as last year when barcelona lose against Eintracht. People are always saying this club would be winning everything while they didn't see how reality will be going on.

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Barcelona’s 12 Europa League/UEFA Cup campaigns so far: how they fared
1972/73: first round
1973/74: first round
1975/76: semi-finals
1976/77: quarter-finals
1977/78: semi-finals
1980/81: second round
1986/87: quarter-finals
1987/88: quarter-finals
1995/96: semi-finals
2000/01: semi-finals
2003/04: last 16
2021/22: quarter-finals

Source: https://en.as.com/soccer/how-many-times-have-barcelona-appeared-in-europa-league-have-they-ever-won-it-n/

Barcelona can face another team that can even beat it easily just like MU, etc. That means barcelona has 50:50 chance to win the league or leaving again like last year. People must not always think this club is the most perfect club in the world caused by the result since a few years ago have proven if that's wrong.

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Quote from: davis196 on October 27, 2022, 06:10:28 AM

Barcelona needs to get rid of the veterans like Busquets and Pique. They did a great job in the last 10 years for the club, but they can't maintain their top performance from 10 years ago. Barcelona needs more physical strength in the middle. Pedri is a really talented player, but he's short and skinny. Keeping Lewandowski and Dembele for the next season is crucial. I don't know why Barcelona sold Aybameyang, maybe because of the financial difficulties the Catalonian club is facing. Aybameyang and Lewandowski would have been a great attacking duo.
I'm also sad that Atletico Madrid missed the chance to win against Leverkusen. That missed penalty at the end was ridiculous.

This is not a problem that will be solved only with Busquets and Pique. With each passing year, there is a decrease in Barcelona's performance. And that's because of the new footballers. They could not create the team spirit of Barcelona that happened in previous years. If we examine it carefully, we will notice that; Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Mascherano etc. as players left the team, Barcelona lost the ability to be a team. I'm sorry to say, it doesn't seem like it's going to be easy for them to go back to the good old days again.

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