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Quote from: Docnaster on July 23, 2023, 04:41:07 AM

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A transfer to Real Madrid will be an excellent one for Mbappe. This I mean is that Real Madrid can give Mbappe trophies and as well as money. Real Madrid is not a small club such that they will not be able to pay a good player like Mbappe handsomely.
If Mbappe really wants the Champions League title, the best place to go is Real Madrid because it is Real Madrid and Manchester City that has great chances of winning the Champions League. I would have included Bayern Munich but I am not so much confident of Tuchel's Bayern.

If PSG let Mbappe go then I'm sure Real Madrid will try their best to get him because a player like Mbappe is not easy to come by.
Mbappe is also unlikely to accept a much lower offer because big money is part of being a great footballer.
Yes, but it all comes back to Mbappe's decision whether he wants to play for a much lower fee.

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Quote from: len01 on July 23, 2023, 03:44:05 AM

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The consequence for Mbappe if he insists on staying at PSG is that he will not get a prestigious title because of PSG's monotony which is only in and in power in domestic competitions only.
Reflecting on Haaland's case when he was at Dortmund he didn't get many titles both individually and in the club but when he met the right club (Manchester City) he turned into a terrible figure.
At the moment Mbappe can also still, he will not get anything if he continues at PSG (except only money) and maybe it would be much better if he looks for a new challenge by finding a club that suits him.

if this is true what you said can we speculate if Mbappe wants to continue his career to be successful must go through a transfer to Real Madrid to break through to the champions league final? I think this makes sense because if you just want a big salary PSG is the best place for that but if you want a better career maybe the chances of moving to Real Madrid are much better to get a title in the UCL.
but in fact we know that it is not that easy for us to speculate because Mbappe and PSG themselves have to go through this unfinished problem and it is difficult to find information that is really real. on the one hand Mbappe himself is still at PSG until next year and this is to be confused whether his contract will be extended or will only be sold.

A transfer to Real Madrid will be an excellent one for Mbappe. This I mean is that Real Madrid can give Mbappe trophies and as well as money. Real Madrid is not a small club such that they will not be able to pay a good player like Mbappe handsomely.
If Mbappe really wants the Champions League title, the best place to go is Real Madrid because it is Real Madrid and Manchester City that has great chances of winning the Champions League. I would have included Bayern Munich but I am not so much confident of Tuchel's Bayern.

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Last season was full of surprises in the Champions League except Manchester City's championship. Grin

To be honest Manchester City's making it was also surprising from a different point of view. They won the title for the first time in club history in the end which was the surprise. Otherwise they have been favoured for it highly for many years already.

The main surprises were to see Inter and Milan both in the semi finals. They were lucky to have a draw against each other there though. Because if both of them faced teams like Manchester City and Real Madrid in that stage the chance of their making it to the finale would have been lower.

But this tournament gets even more beautiful when we see different teams in the final stages as well. It becomes more intriguing to follow.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 23, 2023, 02:21:23 AM

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The consequence for Mbappe if he insists on staying at PSG is that he will not get a prestigious title because of PSG's monotony which is only in and in power in domestic competitions only.
Reflecting on Haaland's case when he was at Dortmund he didn't get many titles both individually and in the club but when he met the right club (Manchester City) he turned into a terrible figure.
At the moment Mbappe can also still, he will not get anything if he continues at PSG (except only money) and maybe it would be much better if he looks for a new challenge by finding a club that suits him.

if this is true what you said can we speculate if Mbappe wants to continue his career to be successful must go through a transfer to Real Madrid to break through to the champions league final? I think this makes sense because if you just want a big salary PSG is the best place for that but if you want a better career maybe the chances of moving to Real Madrid are much better to get a title in the UCL.
but in fact we know that it is not that easy for us to speculate because Mbappe and PSG themselves have to go through this unfinished problem and it is difficult to find information that is really real. on the one hand Mbappe himself is still at PSG until next year and this is to be confused whether his contract will be extended or will only be sold.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on July 22, 2023, 10:53:35 PM

Tuchel only wins one big title in Europe, Champions League. The rest titles he has are from France, with PSG and like Ligue 1 titles. He has yet won any Premier League, did not win Bundesliga with Dortmund. You are right that Tuchel has yet achieved big things like Pep Guardiola and even coaches like Jose Mourinho, Ancelloti have yet won trebles like Pep in the last season.

Thomas Tuchel career with Chelsea helped after success winning Champion League tittle on the first season become Chelsea manager, later failed winning Primer League tittles, EFL Cup or FA Cup. Since his career with PSG, I don't think any special thing from Tuchel because he won Ligue 1 tittle with PSG but never winning Champion League except success lead to final stage before beating by Bayern Munich in final.
Too far comparison between Thomas Tuchel with Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho, they have won Primer League, La Liga and Champion League tittles with difference team than Ttuchel not winning competitive tittle like Primer League.

Last season, although success won Bundesliga tittles I don't see any special performance with Bayern Munich because they fewest difference points with Dortmund, difference last several season when Bayern easy for winning domestic league.

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Quote from: borovichok on July 22, 2023, 11:31:40 PM

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I'm not going to say that we expect to see a miracle from Thomas Tuchel and his payers in the next season but the fact about ith coach is mostly about the experience he got in the champions league which can be usually for Bayern Munich which is the main reason for them to hire this coach.

The UEFA Champions League is an extremely difficult competition in which the best four teams from each European league compete for the campaign championship. Bayern Munich is a challenging contender for the league title; they frequently lose a game. Perhaps during Julian Nagelsmann's administration at the Allianz Arena, the squad functioned effectively, but after bringing in Thomas Tuchel, the club began performing terribly. In his first season as Bayern Munich manager, Thomas Tuchel won the Bundesliga despite the club's terrible performance.

It is difficult for Bayern Munich to compete in the Champions League if the chemistry between players and coaches has not been formed. We have seen how Bayern Munich performed last season under the leadership of Thomas Tuchel, Bayern were eliminated from the Champions League and almost lost the Bundesliga trophy if Dortmund did not drop points in the last game. This competition is attended by the best teams in their respective leagues, teams that are able to maintain their performance consistently will go further, while teams that are unable to maintain their performance will be eliminated faster.

This season the competition in the Champions League is livelier and more challenging, the Premier League sends 4 of its best representatives, one of whom is the defending champion. Inter Milan who was defeated by Manchester City last season, has added to its strength in order to maintain the chances of getting back into the finals, Real Madrid has also made reshuffles in several positions in order to improve the quality of its squad. Tuchel who handles Bayern Munich, which is the best team in the Bundesliga, must be able to maintain the team's appearance so that it is always consistent in order to achieve the success that the previous coach has achieved.

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Actually, for now I still don't see new rivalries like Mbappe and Haaland, especially since the designation of the word rival for them is also a little complicated I think because the conditions are a little different from Ronaldo and Messi.
And yes I agree with you because one of the factors about this rivalry is difficult to happen is because Mbappe is still at PSG.
PSG's conditions are always ranked as one of the candidates in the Champions League but we also know how they always navigate the Champions League so in this case I think it could be one of the conditions where rivalry cannot occur.

In my opinion, the era of rivalry between Ronaldo and Messi cannot be replaced by the presence of Mbappe and Haaland. because both of them are still young and need to achieve as much as possible. So let this run as a challenge for Mabappe and Haaland. At least to reach that point, the Champions League competition must be dominated. Haaland is already at the right club but Mbappe is still struggling with high wages and I am really sick when the news continues to be exposed. If Mbappe stays in just one league and nobody challenges him then I'm sure Haaland can dominate more.

The consequence for Mbappe if he insists on staying at PSG is that he will not get a prestigious title because of PSG's monotony which is only in and in power in domestic competitions only.
Reflecting on Haaland's case when he was at Dortmund he didn't get many titles both individually and in the club but when he met the right club (Manchester City) he turned into a terrible figure.
At the moment Mbappe can also still, he will not get anything if he continues at PSG (except only money) and maybe it would be much better if he looks for a new challenge by finding a club that suits him.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 22, 2023, 07:46:39 PM

I'm not going to say that we expect to see a miracle from Thomas Tuchel and his payers in the next season but the fact about ith coach is mostly about the experience he got in the champions league which can be usually for Bayern Munich which is the main reason for them to hire this coach.

The UEFA Champions League is an extremely difficult competition in which the best four teams from each European league compete for the campaign championship. Bayern Munich is a challenging contender for the league title; they frequently lose a game. Perhaps during Julian Nagelsmann's administration at the Allianz Arena, the squad functioned effectively, but after bringing in Thomas Tuchel, the club began performing terribly. In his first season as Bayern Munich manager, Thomas Tuchel won the Bundesliga despite the club's terrible performance.

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Quote from: QueenVera on July 22, 2023, 07:14:29 PM

Even without Haaland Guardiola's team would still perform better than Tuchel's they're both great coaches no doubt but Pep should be more applauded because he's proven himself in 3 different league winning major trophies from all apart from Bayern where he failed to win the Champions League but he's won a Treble for Barcelona and recently in England with Manchester City, the only coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson that should be compared to the level of Pep are José mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti.

Tuchel only wins one big title in Europe, Champions League. The rest titles he has are from France, with PSG and like Ligue 1 titles. He has yet won any Premier League, did not win Bundesliga with Dortmund. You are right that Tuchel has yet achieved big things like Pep Guardiola and even coaches like Jose Mourinho, Ancelloti have yet won trebles like Pep in the last season.

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Tuchel was great for Chelsea helping them In winning their second champions league trophy but I think it was the change of owner that made him loose focus the next season

Tuchel was sacked by Chelsea and did not win Premier League with them but he won one Champions League with them. In Chelsea history, it is their second Champions League title and I am sure Tuchel was marked in Chelsea history. Nobody can deny his achievement in Chelsea history and he will always be remembered by history.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 11:31:14 AM

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

I'm not going to say that we expect to see a miracle from Thomas Tuchel and his payers in the next season but the fact about ith coach is mostly about the experience he got in the champions league which can be usually for Bayern Munich which is the main reason for them to hire this coach.

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Quote from: klidex on July 22, 2023, 05:37:28 PM

Actually for me Thomas Tuchel failure when he was at the Chelsea club to improve his performance was not Tuchel fault but a player who was not enthusiastic and inconsistent in every game.
We certainly know that Tuchel is one of the best coach and certainly always provides the best strategy to build a stronger club and several times Thomas Tuchel has tried but failed.
So it all depend on both parties if later Tuchel is at Bayern Munich and the player have high consistency and are very solid, it will definitely be easy for Tuchel to build this club so that they can achieve their dream in the champions league.
When comparing Thomas Tuchel with Pep Guardiola or Klopp, in fact they are both great coaches, it's just that Guardiola has more solid players and there is also Haaland who is his mainstay player

Even without Haaland Guardiola's team would still perform better than Tuchel's they're both great coaches no doubt but Pep should be more applauded because he's proven himself in 3 different league winning major trophies from all apart from Bayern where he failed to win the Champions League but he's won a Treble for Barcelona and recently in England with Manchester City, the only coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson that should be compared to the level of Pep are José mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti.

Tuchel was great for Chelsea helping them In winning their second champions league trophy but I think it was the change of owner that made him loose focus the next season not only him but the entire squad he had then where affected and if only the new owner was patient enough with him and backed him with funds like he did with Potter, Chelsea fc would have stand a better chance of qualifying for the champions league or finishing close to the top four last season, and that is what he needs at Bayern Munich, the full backing of the board with funds to recruit quality players with winning mentality, that would help them challenge for the champions league this season.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 22, 2023, 01:34:27 PM

I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

I guess that if UEFA already considered it all. It will not become a tough match for galatasaray. I see no problem with it and even there was no complaint that was coming from galatasaray regarding the schedule for the next match.
Galatasaray has almost 1 week break from the last match against SK Sturm graz. I see no problem with that at all. 5 - 6 days already considered as good amounts of day to take a break before the next match.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 11:31:14 AM

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

You mean the same Bayern that luckily finish top of it domestic league to blast UCL this season, perhaps if Kane deal becomes successful, that's when I will expect some insight from Bayern else even with Tuchel, not expecting any big changes from Bayern because he is a mid manager since he assume work in Germany and if the. Eventually get to knockout stage, theu will retire as well except they get fixtures with less tough teams that may be an opportunity to move go or maybe as we progress, Tuchel will recruite and bring more good players in the January time as the Champions League continue by February or March but I have high expectations on Arsenal and Napoli this season.

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

Basically, I also believe that Tuchel has very good qualities and/or abilities, of course to be able to build Bayern Munich even better, especially for the Champions League. But somehow, after Tuchel failure in his final days at Chelsea at that time, it made me feel seems Tuchel maybe had a certain amount of time to be able to make the team really good. At least, this factor is a big difference with the qualities possessed by Pep Guardiola and maybe also Klopp. But yes, hopefully Tuchel can provide very good results for Bayern Munich in the Champions League next season, and of course that is Bayern Munich main target in appointing Tuchel.

Actually for me Thomas Tuchel failure when he was at the Chelsea club to improve his performance was not Tuchel fault but a player who was not enthusiastic and inconsistent in every game.
We certainly know that Tuchel is one of the best coach and certainly always provides the best strategy to build a stronger club and several times Thomas Tuchel has tried but failed.
So it all depend on both parties if later Tuchel is at Bayern Munich and the player have high consistency and are very solid, it will definitely be easy for Tuchel to build this club so that they can achieve their dream in the champions league.
When comparing Thomas Tuchel with Pep Guardiola or Klopp, in fact they are both great coaches, it's just that Guardiola has more solid players and there is also Haaland who is his mainstay player

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It's not only Bayern Munich who will try to provide competition in the Champions League this season, Manchester United are also trying to form a more solid squad to keep their chances. Thomas Tuchel and Ten Hag will be part of several other great coaches who want to bring their team to the final and win the UCL trophy. This season's Champions League is more difficult and more challenging because so many teams are spending large amounts of money in the transfer market to bring in some quality players, teams from the Premier League dominate in activity in the transfer market.

Arsenal also cannot be underestimated, Arteta is forming new forces within Arsenal. Real Madrid is also trying to keep the opportunity to stay on the path to the championship, the arrival of Luis Enrique to PSG also gives new hope after the failure in the previous season with Galtier. Bayern Munich are still trying to bring in Kane, he can become a reliable spearhead in Bayer Munich front line.
Tuchel, who has experience in the Champions League, can be a threat to other coaches with the squad owned by Bayer Munich.

I'm not sure for Manchester United in this competition, and it's not that I'm undermining Erik Ten Hag's squad. Except, Ten Hag has brought in several other newcomers to deepen their squad. in particular, Manchester United is in dire need of a pure striker. because, they can't always just rely on Marcus Rashford.
anyway, United still can't be underestimated especially since they have a coach who is cool with his performance.

Speaking of Munich, so far I can't say anything to judge the Bavarian squad. because, Tuchel is doing an overhaul for his squad. so, let's just follow the development of this German league giant club. As for Arsenal, Arteta's team is quite ready to face competition in various leagues next season. although in truth, Arsenal lack experience in the Champions League. but with a squad that has competitive depth, it is hoped that they will be able to compete strictly with other competitors.
While PSG, I think Enrique can bring this team much better. However, I don't expect them to go far, let alone reach the final round. One more thing, we don't discuss this team too much. whereas, they are quite strong and competitive. I'm pretty sure Barcelona will be better than before. in fact, it could be that Xavi Hernandes' squad can surprise us.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 11:31:14 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 22, 2023, 10:34:19 AM

That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

Bayern will be looking at making it to the champions league final next season if they acquire the services of Kane,and if they do,I see them getting to either semi finals or finals of the Uefa Champions league.Tuchel is a great coach that I admire right from the time he was at chelsea caching them,he was my best coach in the premier league,but because of impatience, Chelsea sacked him,and made him remain jobless for some period of time.Like they say,that every dissappoint is a blessing,it's really a blessing indeed to him,because he wasn't even looking at the direction of coaching a team like Bayern,but because he was doing very well while he was at Chelsea,they had to higher him to be their coach,and he is doing well,and I know he will definitely make Bayern get to either the finals or the semi finals of the UEFA Champions league.Nevertheless,I won't over praise him because football is unpredictable,let's hope to see what happens.

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I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

Well a lot of teams that are in the qualification start really early. Galatasaray is even lucky because there were a few rounds before that so they had at least sometime to prepare. Zalgiris shouldnt be a problem for them should like a friendly game for them because Zalgiris is weak.

Last season we saw a very good performance from the Galatasaray team. This group is now quite strong. They have a strong squad. And the players in the squad have a strong bond. This is why the performance of the team is quite consistent. I don't think the FK Zalgiris team is strong. This team will be far behind Galatasaray. If there are no accidents in this match, Galatasaray will get an easy win.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 22, 2023, 01:34:27 PM

I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

Well a lot of teams that are in the qualification start really early. Galatasaray is even lucky because there were a few rounds before that so they had at least sometime to prepare. Zalgiris shouldnt be a problem for them should like a friendly game for them because Zalgiris is weak.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 22, 2023, 05:49:51 AM

Bayern Munich were quite disappointing in the Champions League last season. Actually it has been the case for 3 seasons. They were the champions in the 2019/20 season. But since then their biggest success is to reach the quarter finals. In one of these seasons they were even eliminated by Villarreal surprisingly.

It looks like something needs to change really much for them to do better here. Tuchel might be the one to make this happen maybe. He was amazing by winning the Champions League with Chelsea in his first season already in a time that they weren't given much chance for this achievement.

Of course this was a really difficult task. But now Tuchel will have an even more powerful squad in his hands. It is all up to his managing to work his system with this team from now on.

Tuchel definitely has a good squad to fight for a higher chance but I am not sure if he will be able to. This would be his first full season and he needs to make sure that the team knows what he expects from them, if the team is aware of the tactics and the strategy then sure they could do better but it is a very tough situation.

The world of football is built by money and culture, Real is not owned by some rich oil guy, but they win all the time, City is, and they won too. So you need to be able to get both of them, Bayern has a great football culture, but they lack the money part a lot and they are playing against teams that have more than double their money when they go to higher stages, to beat them is a very tough task.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 11:31:14 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 22, 2023, 10:34:19 AM

That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

Basically, I also believe that Tuchel has very good qualities and/or abilities, of course to be able to build Bayern Munich even better, especially for the Champions League. But somehow, after Tuchel failure in his final days at Chelsea at that time, it made me feel seems Tuchel maybe had a certain amount of time to be able to make the team really good. At least, this factor is a big difference with the qualities possessed by Pep Guardiola and maybe also Klopp. But yes, hopefully Tuchel can provide very good results for Bayern Munich in the Champions League next season, and of course that is Bayern Munich main target in appointing Tuchel.

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