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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 30, 2023, 05:23:17 AM

Inter's last season performance here reminded me of Chelsea's amazing run for the Champions League title in the 2020/21 season. Inter were also so close to repeating a similar success to that but they missed it slightly. We don't see defensive-oriented teams winning this title very often as you now.

The different The difference is if chelsea was winning trophy for two times but intermilan was failed to win the competition. Chelsea has the same stories for two times in a row caused by the team was struggling at the play off and group stage but the club was able winning the trophy.
Intermilan seems try to rebuild the team again at this moment in response to the bad achievement last season in the final of UCL. Some players are already replaced with the hope if intermilan will able to repeat the same achievement again upcoming season.

Quote from: jakdanyel on July 30, 2023, 05:23:17 AM

This is why it becomes quite unexpected to see teams like Chelsea becoming the champions here. Maybe it happens rarely nowadays but it feels still nice to see some different things as well. Seeing different champions make this tournament even more attracting to me.

Chelsea has a good mentality when it came to the final. The fact that if chelsea has always been facing strong team in the final. Bayern and manchester city. The different thing that didn't own by intermilan.
It has been more than a decade since intermilan was winning its last UCL. It will be so hard to think it's gonna be happening again.

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Quote from: Davian144 on July 30, 2023, 08:08:21 AM

Quote from: marcous on July 30, 2023, 04:32:30 AM

I think it is difficult for Xavi to let go of the Tiki Taka philosophy, because this tactic brought him and Barca to glory a decade ago. Former Barca coach Ronald Koeman before Xavi criticized Barcelona playing style for maintaining this philosophy in the current period, and said Barca seemed to be living in the past.

But I think Xavi has his own analysis and tactics to bring his squad forward in every game, a proof that they won the La Liga trophy last season. It's true as you said, that Xavi has a tough task to build Barcelona glory back to the way it used to be.

Whatever method Xavi will use next season to keep his squad solid and strong, it is clear that Xavi must also be able to use last season's tactics better so that Barcelona can return to competing in other leagues and not only in La Liga. Because as you said Xavi still has a very tough task to bring Barcelona back on a stronger path by being more consistent and focused on some big competitions next season. Xavi's proof last season was a very good achievement and it's still not enough because Xavi still has to make a few improvements to have a more consistent next season.

Xavi certainly anticipated Barcelona failure last season, failing to qualify from the group stage is a failure that should not be repeated this season. Barcelona's strength has begun to increase with the arrival of several new players, the results achieved in El Clasico in friendly matches are progress that Barcelona has experienced.

I see that Barcelona is very solid, especially in defense, Barcelona's defenders play very disciplined in maintaining their respective positions. Competition in the Champions League this season will not be easy for Barcelona, Xavi must be able to maintain Barcelona's quality so that they remain solid until the official matches begin.

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Quote from: marcous on July 30, 2023, 04:32:30 AM

I think it is difficult for Xavi to let go of the Tiki Taka philosophy, because this tactic brought him and Barca to glory a decade ago. Former Barca coach Ronald Koeman before Xavi criticized Barcelona playing style for maintaining this philosophy in the current period, and said Barca seemed to be living in the past.

But I think Xavi has his own analysis and tactics to bring his squad forward in every game, a proof that they won the La Liga trophy last season. It's true as you said, that Xavi has a tough task to build Barcelona glory back to the way it used to be.

Whatever method Xavi will use next season to keep his squad solid and strong, it is clear that Xavi must also be able to use last season's tactics better so that Barcelona can return to competing in other leagues and not only in La Liga. Because as you said Xavi still has a very tough task to bring Barcelona back on a stronger path by being more consistent and focused on some big competitions next season. Xavi's proof last season was a very good achievement and it's still not enough because Xavi still has to make a few improvements to have a more consistent next season.

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Quote from: marcous on July 30, 2023, 04:32:30 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 30, 2023, 04:11:07 AM

Barcelona's performance in the Champions League can be improved by making some changes in the system Xavi has adopted as I said before. Because the classic tiki taka system started not to work in big matches especially. And this is just keeping them away from even qualifying from the group stage.

A top level team like Barcelona can't make do with getting stuck in this stage. We have even started to watch them in the Europa League which is really an alarming situation. Fans and the board will be much more expectant from their team this season.

Xavi has a big responsibility to deal with and we will see if he can. But I feel like he will be insistent on using the same system he uses in the La Liga this season as well.

I think it is difficult for Xavi to let go of the Tiki Taka philosophy, because this tactic brought him and Barca to glory a decade ago. Former Barca coach Ronald Koeman before Xavi criticized Barcelona playing style for maintaining this philosophy in the current period, and said Barca seemed to be living in the past.

But I think Xavi has his own analysis and tactics to bring his squad forward in every game, a proof that they won the La Liga trophy last season. It's true as you said, that Xavi has a tough task to build Barcelona glory back to the way it used to be.

Although I didn't like Ronald Koeman, he was right about that because you can only play Tiki Taka when you have the team from back then with the most dangerous striker in the world who was the best with and without the ball in finding the gap in the opponents' defense lines.

Times have changed, but I think that Xavi also realized that Tiki Taka like they used to play it in his active time is not possible. They can still play ball possession dominance, but the style from back then was insanely good because the cohesion between the players and how they complemented each other, everything was perfect and also a bit of luck to have all those players on the same team at one moment in time.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on July 30, 2023, 05:32:23 AM

Barca is also trying to do the same as elite European clubs who are currently intensively improving their squad. However with a modest budget, Xavi cannot do much to recruit star-labeled players. Taking advantage of Barcelona reputation as a big club can provide an advantage in the pursuit of players with free transfer status, like Gundogan.

They already have great players from last season, there is no need to make many transfers should they be able to compete in the UCL. The arrival of Gundongan on a free transfer is very profitable. Xavi just needs to make the most of the existing players, by training the European mentality. Because last season they couldn't work much to their maximum and failed in the UCL. Next season is Xavi's best moment, although I'm not sure Barcelona compete much until the Final.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on July 30, 2023, 05:08:46 AM

The chance was pretty small for barcelona to win UCL. All of premier league clubs were making massive improvements. Manchester city has also become even stronger than before. I remind you the result against arsenal. Arsenal is a strong team right now. Its level was still under manchester city but it's still also one of strongest team in EPL. The chance for la liga to win UCL is pretty small at this moment. EPL club may dominate the UCL competition. Barcelona needs to prove its quality in the group stage.
The last season has become floop for barcelona as the team was not only failed in the UCL. It was also failed in the europa league. Barcelona needs to prove it first. Im skeptical with barcelona's performance.

barcelona will be using some players from its own academic next season. These players need to get more experiences first. The next season gonna be very difficult for barcelona.

Agree with you that it is unlikely that Barcelona will win the Champions League trophy next season, but every prediction can be wrong as the season goes on. If setting parameters of the transfer market as a basis for assumptions to sort the favorite clubs to win the UCL next season, I think Barca will be included in it. Because currently Barca is ranked number seven in the sequence of clubs that have the most expensive squad in the world.

Barca is also trying to do the same as elite European clubs who are currently intensively improving their squad. However with a modest budget, Xavi cannot do much to recruit star-labeled players. Taking advantage of Barcelona reputation as a big club can provide an advantage in the pursuit of players with free transfer status, like Gundogan.

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Inter's last season performance here reminded me of Chelsea's amazing run for the Champions League title in the 2020/21 season. Inter were also so close to repeating a similar success to that but they missed it slightly. We don't see defensive-oriented teams winning this title very often as you now.

This is why it becomes quite unexpected to see teams like Chelsea becoming the champions here. Maybe it happens rarely nowadays but it feels still nice to see some different things as well. Seeing different champions make this tournament even more attracting to me.

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Quote from: Nheer on July 29, 2023, 05:51:16 PM

I don’t really understand your point here but sometimes a team might have a bad performance in their domestic league and still perform wonderfully well in the champions league take inter milan last season’s performance as an example, they didn’t perform too well in serie A but suprised the world in the champions league. Some teams may perform well in the league but fail to perform in the champions league just like barcelona did last season.

I think comparing the two leagues and seeing the one that is more important and highly recognized which is the champions league, watching how they performed last season was impressive no one expected Inter Milan to succeed the way they did, and even make it to the finals, in fact, my calculation in the finals was real Madrid against manchester city they had a better chance to have won the champions league but they gave it away to manchester city since all attempt to score failed. and it is always difficult for some clubs to play well in all participating leagues always a difficult one to manage.

Quote from: AndySt on July 29, 2023, 06:20:07 PM

I think it was meant that if you let's say you lost points at the beginning of the season, then in such a fleeting tournament as the Champions League it will be difficult to then catch up by improving your game and results. As for a successful game in the national championship and an unsuccessful one in your own championship and vice versa, I would like to say the following, that this is very often a matter of priority, that is, if you missed the chances of a title in your own championship, then you can give priority to the Champions League games if everything is much more successful for you.

And in addition to what you saying, the issue of adding points is one of the strategies I have noticed that manchester city uses against other opponents, At the beginning of the season and the middle of the season they keep accumulating points, once any club fails at the beginning of the season it becomes more difficult to keep up with, priority to is involved and aside that there other factors that contribute to the success of the club talk of teamwork and other factors that is what killed most of the teams during the league.

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Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on July 29, 2023, 03:56:40 PM

Barcelona has a lot of talented young players combined with some experienced old players. Even though Alba and Busquets have left, I think Xavi still has quality replacements to keep their chances in various competitions. I know the Champions League is tough, but there's nothing wrong with expecting Barcelona to be one of the strong contenders next season.

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

The chance was pretty small for barcelona to win UCL. All of premier league clubs were making massive improvements. Manchester city has also become even stronger than before. I remind you the result against arsenal. Arsenal is a strong team right now. Its level was still under manchester city but it's still also one of strongest team in EPL. The chance for la liga to win UCL is pretty small at this moment. EPL club may dominate the UCL competition. Barcelona needs to prove its quality in the group stage.
The last season has become floop for barcelona as the team was not only failed in the UCL. It was also failed in the europa league. Barcelona needs to prove it first. Im skeptical with barcelona's performance.

barcelona will be using some players from its own academic next season. These players need to get more experiences first. The next season gonna be very difficult for barcelona.

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Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on July 29, 2023, 03:56:40 PM

Barcelona has a lot of talented young players combined with some experienced old players. Even though Alba and Busquets have left, I think Xavi still has quality replacements to keep their chances in various competitions. I know the Champions League is tough, but there's nothing wrong with expecting Barcelona to be one of the strong contenders next season.

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

They'll have to bond very well especially the midfielder's. Most of them signatures done by Barcelona are not typical Barcelona kind of players. They'll successfully defend the Spanish League this season once again but I'm not convinced they have that chemistry to march them into winning the Champions League this season. It's Crazy!

Same goes to Manchester United, they haven't convinced me even with recent tour games ( Though I don't take pre season games seriously ) They have made positive advanaces but not enough for them to take them to the next chapter, which has got to be winning the Champions League. They've made important Improved signatures and Erik Ten Hag would finally get his desired players to work with when the Premier League kicks off. They should win the Premier League before considering the Champions League.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 30, 2023, 04:11:07 AM

Barcelona's performance in the Champions League can be improved by making some changes in the system Xavi has adopted as I said before. Because the classic tiki taka system started not to work in big matches especially. And this is just keeping them away from even qualifying from the group stage.

A top level team like Barcelona can't make do with getting stuck in this stage. We have even started to watch them in the Europa League which is really an alarming situation. Fans and the board will be much more expectant from their team this season.

Xavi has a big responsibility to deal with and we will see if he can. But I feel like he will be insistent on using the same system he uses in the La Liga this season as well.

I think it is difficult for Xavi to let go of the Tiki Taka philosophy, because this tactic brought him and Barca to glory a decade ago. Former Barca coach Ronald Koeman before Xavi criticized Barcelona playing style for maintaining this philosophy in the current period, and said Barca seemed to be living in the past.

But I think Xavi has his own analysis and tactics to bring his squad forward in every game, a proof that they won the La Liga trophy last season. It's true as you said, that Xavi has a tough task to build Barcelona glory back to the way it used to be.

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Barcelona's performance in the Champions League can be improved by making some changes in the system Xavi has adopted as I said before. Because the classic tiki taka system started not to work in big matches especially. And this is just keeping them away from even qualifying from the group stage.

A top level team like Barcelona can't make do with getting stuck in this stage. We have even started to watch them in the Europa League which is really an alarming situation. Fans and the board will be much more expectant from their team this season.

Xavi has a big responsibility to deal with and we will see if he can. But I feel like he will be insistent on using the same system he uses in the La Liga this season as well.

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Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on July 29, 2023, 03:56:40 PM

Barcelona has a lot of talented young players combined with some experienced old players. Even though Alba and Busquets have left, I think Xavi still has quality replacements to keep their chances in various competitions. I know the Champions League is tough, but there's nothing wrong with expecting Barcelona to be one of the strong contenders next season.

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

unlike its heyday in the past when Barcelona had top players like Messi and other top players who had a greater chance of getting the champions league cup and currently Barcelona only sticks with young players or free transfer players from the transfer market and is not so sure whether it can have a chance reach the final and get the title.
I dont doubt Barcelona in the champions league but I said about the reality that is being experienced by Barcelona at the moment financial problems are preventing them from being able to achieve their dreams and also compared to Man United the chances are bigger but unfortunately Man City will be stronger here.
all of that cannot guarantee which team will get the champions league trophy but we'll see who will get the title and my prediction is Real Madrid or Man City.

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Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on July 29, 2023, 03:56:40 PM

Barcelona has a lot of talented young players combined with some experienced old players. Even though Alba and Busquets have left, I think Xavi still has quality replacements to keep their chances in various competitions. I know the Champions League is tough, but there's nothing wrong with expecting Barcelona to be one of the strong contenders next season.

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

Barcelona's performance in the Champions League last season was not good at all, they left the Champions League tournament at the beginning of the season so they gave their full attention to winning the La Liga title and they succeeded a team that won the Barcelona League title in the last season. Barcelona must think differently about the Champions League next season as this team has not been able to do well in the Champions League for a long time. The fans now expect a Champions League from this team. Barcelona can do well in the Champions League if they plan properly with the team they have so far. Because Barcelona performed well in the friendly match against Real Madrid, if they can keep this consistent performance against all teams, then surely Barcelona will do well in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Docnaster on July 30, 2023, 01:25:25 AM

Barcelona is a great club with fantastic manager and phenomenal players who are capable to conquer any club in the world on their day but I don't think they're one of the favorites to win the UEFA Champions League competition next season.
There are still other European clubs who's got more quality players compared to Barca.

From dropping to Europa League play-off matches and failed under Manchester United, to win Champions League after only one summer, it is very big difference which I don't think will happen. There are many clubs that are stronger than Barcelona in Champions League and Barcelona don't have too big chance to win the trophy in a new season.

Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.

First, Xavi and Barcelona must build up a stronger squad successfully and later they will need luckiness to go far in Champions League and win the trophy. The second condition is not what they can control in their hands but they need to prepare first condition as best as possible for a new season.

It's not easy in a very competitive Champions League, with likely coming domination from Manchester City. That club might have two or three more seasons as one of strongest clubs in Champions League and they will be barrier for any club that want to be champions.

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Quote from: borovichok on July 30, 2023, 12:39:38 AM

Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

There are certain collections of clubs that have been nominated to win the UEFA Champions League. Let us wait and see what happens with these premier clubs.The UEFA Champions League trophy is not won by a club that dominates merely their domestic league, but by an elite club that understands and improves their performance in top competition. Xavi Hernandez would only perform better and win all the awards in league games, but not in top competitions. The blaugrana are not ready to play in the CL; they even defeated their main opponent in a friendly 3 nil.

Barcelona is a great club with fantastic manager and phenomenal players who are capable to conquer any club in the world on their day but I don't think they're one of the favorites to win the UEFA Champions League competition next season.
There are still other European clubs who's got more quality players compared to Barca. Xavi Hernandez is still building the team to become one of the unbeatable clubs in Europe which I think will happen in few seasons from now considering their level of development

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Quote from: Iroh on July 29, 2023, 06:27:04 PM

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

There are certain collections of clubs that have been nominated to win the UEFA Champions League. Let us wait and see what happens with these premier clubs.The UEFA Champions League trophy is not won by a club that dominates merely their domestic league, but by an elite club that understands and improves their performance in top competition. Xavi Hernandez would only perform better and win all the awards in league games, but not in top competitions. The blaugrana are not ready to play in the CL; they even defeated their main opponent in a friendly 3 nil.

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Quote from: Joca97 on July 29, 2023, 04:02:16 PM

Barcelona has a good team for the upcoming season and a good one. I think they will go far in the champions league but i dont think they will be able to win it next to teams like Real Madrid and Man City. Barcelona cannot buy a lot of players due to their big debt and can only sign players for free.

Im so skeptical with barcelona's team right now. Its performance against arsenal is far from my expectation. Barcelona unlikely manage to enter into the playoff. I think that the same scenario gonna happen again with barcelona.
The club has very weak defensive player. The inconsistency in the defensive line will be making the club conceded so many goals. Barcelona needs to overhaul its defensive line to make sure the bad scenario will not happen again.
The current defensive line of barcelona is very bad once it's gonna facing a strong team from EPL. EPL club has been doing massive improvements. Barcelona shall aware of that if the club wanna make it to the playoff .
Despite the current situation, there is still a glimmer of hope for Barcelona to sell their players and utilize the funds to acquire a new defender. There are so the club can sell many players in the market. That depends on the decision gonna be taken by barcelona. Xavi shall make a decision as soon as possible.

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Quote from: ShowOff on July 29, 2023, 03:56:40 PM

Barcelona has a lot of talented young players combined with some experienced old players. Even though Alba and Busquets have left, I think Xavi still has quality replacements to keep their chances in various competitions. I know the Champions League is tough, but there's nothing wrong with expecting Barcelona to be one of the strong contenders next season.

Barcelona has a chance of course but I don’t see them winning the Champions League title. Xavi has done a fine job in making a good enough team to clinch the la liga title last season. With their recent signings, they’ve added some experienced players to the squad. But I doubt all that would be able to get them the champions league trophy. Barcelona is a strong contender but the chances of winning aren’t that great.
Manchester United is also a club that would be a strong contender but like Barcelona, I also don’t think they could win the title.

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Quote from: Nheer on July 29, 2023, 05:51:16 PM

I don’t really understand your point here but sometimes a team might have a bad performance in their domestic league and still perform wonderfully well in the champions league take inter milan last season’s performance as an example, they didn’t perform too well in serie A but suprised the world in the champions league. Some teams may perform well in the league but fail to perform in the champions league just like barcelona did last season.

I think it was meant that if you let's say you lost points at the beginning of the season, then in such a fleeting tournament as the Champions League it will be difficult to then catch up by improving your game and results. As for a successful game in the national championship and an unsuccessful one in your own championship and vice versa, I would like to say the following, that this is very often a matter of priority, that is, if you missed the chances of a title in your own championship, then you can give priority to the Champions League games if everything is much more successful for you.

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