Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 420. (Read 141787 times)

Bayern munich odds to win the champions league might be back to the third position above Arsenal if they able to beat Lazio later.
It is normal to see the odds changing after the 1st leg, always like that in every year.
Same as Inter and PSG, both of the teams still have the chance to be a third (odds) as long they able to beat Atletico and Sociedad with decent score in the 2nd leg (away).
Overall, it depends on their performance by the previous match.

I wonder how long Barcelona can survive in a situation like that. Management's decision not to sell Barcelona will cause the team to suffer further losses in the future. I think Barcelona really needs a new owner with sufficient funds to rebuild their squad. Xavi is a good coach but some players can't play with the tactics he uses. I don't blame the players but with Barcelona's current financial condition I think Xavi still doesn't have the opportunity to prove himself as a coach because the team doesn't have the money to recruit the players Xavi is targeting.

What a bless to see the second games in the next week, for me the definitive games are much mroe worth to see than the first one of the leg.

Lets see how much time can Porto resist against Arsenal in London, i dont think they can hold so much, for me the suprise is gonna be, PSV or Atletico Madrid taking donw Inter Milan.

If Xavi has said that he will resign if Barcelona win the Champions League title this season, then it is certain that Xavi is going to be the manager of Barcelona. Not to say that Xavi is bad as a manager, if this manager had financial freedom he might have been able to fulfill Barcelona's dream of winning the Champions League title for a long time. The teams that are currently in the Champions League competition are very tough and it is even more difficult for Barcelona to win the Champions League title by beating those tough teams. Teams like Real Madrid Manchester City and Bayern Munich will do well this season and I think any of these three teams will win the Champions League title.

That may be true, but sticking to last season's performance is not enough for a team because they need to improve and get better season after season. The reason to realize is that when they are at the same level every season while other teams can improve it will also hurt them because at first they are at the top and then they have to be at the bottom. We can see that in the Bundesliga for example, yes maybe in terms of play and performance they are not too different from the previous season, and still it is a problem when Leverkusen can be better than them.

I will not say Thomas Tuchel failed, because after all they are still good enough it's just not enough to make them survive in a competition. In the Bundesliga itself they are still ranked 2nd and that's pretty good, the difference is Leverkusen who are indeed performing very extraordinary, they have recorded without defeat until now, it was never part of the previous prediction.

Bayern Munich's chance to stay in the Champions League is still wide open, it just depends on them in the second leg match later, whether they will be able to win or not.

In the last 10 season with Messi Barcelona can able to performing well at Champion League and they also can be recognized as strong team in this competition because Barcelona was never absense to qualified to round of 16 even on 2015 Barcelona can able to gets Champion league trophy after beat Juventus in the final match and since 2015 until 2020 Barcelona can able to advances to quarterfinal several times and reach to the semifinal match once time so their achievement were very impressive but since Messi leave this team Barcelona performance in Champion league gradually decline they even only able to finish at 3rd places on group stages two times in a row

So admitting or not Barcelona without Messi is nothing in this competition and i have no wonder if some people considers Barcelona as mediocre team however this season Barcelona achievement is quite better compared to last season because they can able to finish at first place of group standings and advances to the round of 16 and just like i said before draw result from Napoli in the first leg will be favourable for Barcelona because for second leg they will playing at Camp Nou and for Barcelona win with narrow score 1-0 or 2-1 will be enough to make them to advances to the quarterfinal and i am sure Barcelona can able to do that

Since faced financial problem last several years ago Barcelona decreasing become the mediocre team with their financial difficulty not easy for signing top players every window transfer opening. In football modern era, money is most important how to help one team success break out many trophies every season such as Manchester City won their first Champion League after spending much money for signing many top players.
But Xavi Hernandez keep more promising manager for Barcelona comparison last several manager before since get financial crisis, won La Liga tittle and success for the first time qualified to 16 of round after failure last two season in a row is very good achievement for him although management not support yet until Xavi had leaves his position at the end this season. Get much problem in the next season with Barcelona after Xavi Hernandez's departure I don't think easy to make Barcelona keep on good perform in Champion League or domestic league.

I think that lately too many clubs are always hasty in making decisions and can't wait to always get instant results in the development of the team they are building. And we can see that every team that changes coaches a lot is always late in improving their performance. Chelsea's nightmare also started after they changed coaches, and Napoli also followed suit this season. And I hope Bayern doesn't become a club that follows Chelsea and Napoli in this regard.

Currently Bayern can still be said to be quite strong. It's just that they are unable to compete with Leverkusen in the Bundesliga. And in the UCL they also lost surprisingly to Lazio who actually had a not so good season in Serie A. But I still think this is quite normal. Because a team cannot always be in their best condition. But now there is news circulating that Tuchel will only be coach at Bayern until the end of this season.(Sourch)  and well at least Bayern are taking less hasty steps. At least they know that Tuchel must first complete his duties at Bayern until the end of the season.

The fact barcelona is not as good as what it used to be. Barcelona is also financiall destroyed too and winning a trophy will not change the situation. Even barcelona is only able targeting free agent players. Barcelona was able competing with other big clubs in la liga but it's often bottling it.
Barcelona is not that bad but this club is financially bankrupt. Some levers taken by the club and no change happened to the barcelona. Im not seeing this as a very important reason.



Barcelona was a club owned by fans. Laporta has said that he will never ever sell barcelona fans/public ownership of barcelona to the personal ownership. It is my sincere belief that Barcelona should be acquired by a billionaire, and I fully support this proposal, but it seems that is still far from happening.
There will be no change in the ownership of barcelona.

Bayern Munich have many good players and if they are united and fight for a same thing, they will be a very strong team. Recent weeks, their players did not show intention and attitude to cooperate with their coach, Thomas Tuchel. A team like this can not be a strong one and it's not shock if they fail in both Bundesliga and Champions League. They are only strong if they are united with each other.

It is very early to say about the final match. We must see clubs will join quarter finals and possible pairs in semi finals before predict about chances of clubs to join the final match. Bayern Munich can beat Lazio and go to quarter finals but we must wait to see their opponent in quarter finals too.

Every business has the time it’s thrive and when it goes through some passing times. Now the ability of a business to stay gripped through passing times and come out of it successfully without the business going into extinction is one huge characteristic of a very successful business. This same philosophy can be likened to a football club as there are days where we’ve got the club always in the limelight maybe because of how they real perform or maybe because of a particular player in the team. Now a club having a sweet rhythm might not always happen everytime as they could lose players to contract expiration or the players deciding to try out other challenges or adventure.

 Now this is the case for Barcelona because they’re currently in a big dilemma that started since they didn’t just lost their star man, Messi. Their problem started when they lost most of her big players who have played together for over 5-7 years as replacing these quality was one big challenge. Now the club has now gotten to a big issue which balls down t the club’s finances and we know that finance is needed fir every business to thrive. The departure of these stars have now made us realize that the club was actually overspending to keep these players still at the club.

  However, they’re suffering the consequences for their past actions and sincerely it’s real crazy. Well At this stage, I don’t think they’ll be able to achieve any form of success outside the Spanish League as the European is one big tournament that could swallow them up as they’re not equipped well enough to float in that kind of tournament. Even to an extent, I don’t think they’ll be able to overcome the Spanish League especially as their major opposition Real Madrid is equipped with the right players and also huge finances to get more players. Going forward, Selling this club to a very rich owner who would clear her debt and rebuild  is real an option now and I think this is the best option among the odds.

I know there is nothing wrong with the Bayern Munich players, but there are positions that need to be fixed. Bayern Munich performed like this last season, and they were only lucky to have won the Bundesliga title. Tauchle has already failed, which is why Bayern Munich is already looking for his replacement.

7 of 8 games in CL ended up in under 2.5 goals in their game. Now when some teams need to go for it, it should end up different in some matches.

Yes, it's true that performance in other competitions such as the domestic league can provide a little prediction and from this performance the bookies will estimate the right number for Bayern Munich so I wouldn't be surprised if after entering the round of 16, Munich is no longer the 2nd favorite because Arsenal is actually had an impressive performance in PL.
But actually it's all just to strengthen the analysis to determine which club will win and the rest we also have to see whether the club has quality players and Bayern Munich of course has quality players but surprisingly their performance has decreased so we have to look deeper into the problems that occur to determine whether Bayern Munich deserves to qualify for the final round.
For now, I still have a little confidence that Bayern Munich can enter the final round, but I have to look at their performance in the second leg against Lazio, if they look very strong, there is a chance to qualify for the final round.

Actually, it doesn't really guarantee what I said because Bayern Munich's condition is really in a very bad condition at the moment even though Lazio looks weak but Bayern will also look weak after failing to beat Lazio in the 1st leg but hope is still there but I can't imagine if Bayern Munich failed and lost against Lazio there would definitely be a lot of insults for Tuchel.

There is nothing wrong with the Bayern Munich players, even this season Tauchle has brought in several players as he wishes, but Tauchel has failed to coach a team as big as Bayern Munich.
If you look at it overall, Tauchle's achievements and experience are not that great, so I wouldn't be surprised if he fails now.

for this season I think it is a bit appropriate to say Barcelona is a mediocre club.
Regardless of what happened in the past, the current Barcelona team has experienced a decline in quality compared to last season with all the problems that exist so that they do not have a big chance of competing to win the Champion League title and that is quite natural when we look at the strength of the Barcelona team far behind compared to the current top European teams.

The team's situation has not been good in the last few seasons with all the problems they are facing, and I think Xavi's departure at the end of the season will make things worse.

Totally disagreed but i respect your opinion. Bayern got perfect result when naglessmann was still appointment of club. As far as i remember bayern was still owning 100% WR in UCL when tuchel chosen to be the new appointment. Bayern didn't even need to buy some new players caused by the club has good squad.
That totally depends on the appointment of bayern. Naglesmann has perfect result in bayern last season before tuchel replaced him at the mid of season and he was rarely losing against other club. The bad decision taken by bayern's management to sack him.

FYI, dortmund was also losing the last game caused by it was unlucky enough. I saw how dortmund tried so hard to created additional goal till last minutes. The players used everything they have to get more goal but it was not happening till the end of match.
I think that different story if it was still naglesmann. It's caused by tuchel bottled two trophies and it was triggering the fans to baffled to the club.

Signed some players were not solving the condition of bayern munich. Tuchel ordered club to sign kane and bayern did it and what's the result? Kane is even declining compared to the his performance at totenham. It's clear signing players were not the right answer.

We back to the UCL, bayern has very good resources compared to the lazio which has been losing some key players last season. Bayern will be owning the game soon, i expect munich to isolated lazio.

Maybe I can't consider Barcelona as a mediocre club. Because in my opinion Barcelona's performance is still slightly above mediocre clubs. Because even mediocre clubs will find it difficult to win the title in their domestic league. But Barcelona succeeded last season. But if we talk about UCL, I also think that Barcelona has a small chance. Even if Barcelona manages to qualify for the next stage, maybe they will be immediately eliminated in the quarter-finals. But if Barcelona is able to progress further then it will make us start thinking positively about this club again.

Barcelona's problem is that their financial condition has not improved in the last few seasons. And this must be addressed immediately if this team wants to be successful again.
Xavi will leave at the end of this season apparently for the reasons we expected. That is, the situation at this club is increasingly not easy.

I think it is not only about the coaching style of Tuchel, but Bayern Munich should sign some players because there was a time when Julian Nagelsmann was struggling to win against his opponents in the Bundesliga. That would have helped Borussia Dortmund win the Bundesliga title last season.

True but let's accept the reality if bayern is not in good shape. Did you watch how bayern was struggling to beat the weak club in the bundesliga? is not it enough to be used as a proof if bayern still performs so badly? I think this is a reasonable statement. How much money spent by bayern for kane?
Did bayern get the result? The second leg will be against lazio which is also performing as bad as bayern but lazio was able winning the first leg and it needs only second leg to change the situation. Bayern was in disdavantage if it's about the aggregate but it will have better mentality to face lazio in the second leg caused by bayern will play at home.
Bayern must be lucky enough caused by lazio is not in the good condition. The club has been suffering several poor results in serie a. This is gonna be a troublesome situation for lazio caused by it will come to the allianz arena with bad condition.
The bettors must have taken bayern as a way to bet in the upcoming game.

It is the truth. Barcelona were always building their game focused on Messi. Since he left the team Barcelona have been trying to renovate the squad to try new things. Have they been successful at doing it? I can't talk positively about that. Because they were terrible in the Champions League for 2 years straight for example. 

This season they might look like they have made progress but their group was just too easy for them. Now they will probably eliminate Napoli too but Napoli are also far away from their look in the last season.

Xavi is also leaving the team because of getting worse this season. Especially in terms of defending, they are just too bad.