Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 46. (Read 141700 times)

Sometimes bad luck is one of the factors that causes a team to fail to win, and that happened to Paris Saint Germain in the semifinals when they felt that every time they got a chance, their chance ended up hitting the goal post. In the end, Borussia Dortmund managed to win and advance to the Champions League final.
Things like this are things we can never predict and the same thing could happen to Real Madrid, where their chances have to be countered by the goal post for example.
When that happens, it will really affect the players' mentality, because when they continuously experience failure when attacking, it will make them frustrated. One way to prevent them from getting frustrated is to have a strong mentality. In fact, Real Madrid already has that mentality and maybe that will be their weapon in this match. We don't need to doubt the mentality that Real Madrid has, because they are the team that has it.

I agree with you, I don't think we see any something different from what is suppose to be the result of the match. Real Madrid should be able to win Dortmund, and we have seen that in their preparation towards the finals. If you observed in their last two domestic games, it was a draw because the players are not taking those matches serious anymore.

So instead of them playing with seriousness, they are playing with ease, and their second choice players are the ones Ancelotti is using to start the match, and brings in his first choice close to the last quarter of the match to keep them fit and free from fatigue. So I know what Ancelotti can do and I am not sure he will lose this trophy to Dortmund.

Indeed in this case we must consider all the possibilities that occur but indeed when talking about probabilities then everything will be the same where surely many people will agree that Madrid will win in the match even though it is possible for Dortmund to provide resistance and it is also possible to surprise to win but the chances are only small when compared to Madrid at this time.

The Champions League is different from the Europa League where sometimes the results in matches sometimes cannot be predicted well especially for the final because after all, the Champions League seems to be more predictable and in the last few finals it is also actually seen when who is the favorite then he is likely to win .
Even for now although we cannot underestimate Dortmund in the match, especially since this is a final, but still the one who has the probability and most likely champion is Madrid now .

I think this will be the case. This was also the case in the PSG match played in Paris, and Dortmund passed the elimination thanks to the posts. PSG had too many balls returning from the post. If something similar happens for Real Madrid, why shouldn't Dortmund beat them? Borussia Dortmund is strong enough to play at the top level. I'm sure Terzic will manage to adapt his students in the best possible way. Also, as a coach, I am sure that he will take charge of bigger teams in the coming years.

Obviously, any team playing in the final will certainly make its best efforts although indeed, at least Dortmund and Real Madrid certainly have some differences. But still, they will make the same good effort in the final match but indeed, because considering that Real Madrid has more experience. So of course, with the great experience that Real Madrid has, then Real Madrid basically also has a better winning mentality compared to Dortmund. But indeed, considering the Europa League final, as well as the FA Cup final in the Premier League, at least the favorite teams in that match managed to be defeated by non-seeded teams. Therefore, although the Champions League final certainly has a very different tension but who knows, maybe surprising results can also occur.

In soccer, anything can happen. Anything. Especially in a Champions League final. You never know, Terzic and Dortmund could surprise Real Madrid. Man City outsmarted them last year under Pep. I tell you, underdog teams surprise everyone. Dont dismiss Dortmund. With a youthful, motivated team, they're not afraid to assault. If Dortmund has studied Real Madrid, they'll know their defense is poor. The game could be fascinating if they can exploit those. All emphasis is on Real Madrid to win. Dortmund could gain an advantage by playing wisely.

In a final match like the Champions League, a team should prepare all lines to be stronger and this can certainly be done by Real Madrid and Dortmund too. And if you say there are several Real Madrid players who are ready to play in all lines and positions, the Dortmund players themselves could also be ready for the same thing. Because Dortmund's front line also has several players who are very fast if they can receive passes that are mature enough from the midfield, so Real Madrid also needs to pay close attention to this so that their goal is not easily conceded.

Conceding 4 goals during matches in the Champions League this season can be considered as a team that has a good defense compared to Real Madrid which has conceded 7 goals.
We also shouldn't forget that Real Madrid excelled in scoring goals during this season's Champions League start. Madrid recorded 16 goals. Dortmund is weak when it comes to scoring goals.

Interesting and there will be surprises. Don't ask what the surprise is. Maybe the surprise is like the final of the competition next door.
Your statistics can be used as material for consideration in analyzing who is worthy of being included in the betting list.

Real Madrid defense line is weak you think? I don't agree with you. I accept that Dortmund have been really successful in defense recently. Luck has also played a good role as for example PSG had so many shots hitting the post as I must have said before. However I can't still trust their defense that much honestly. For example they are way worse than Real Madrid on that when it comes to domestic league performances.

Otherwise I'm okay with watching a different champion here.    Real Madrid have been dominating the Champions League so far. It has been like 17 years since Dortmund won it the last time. It wouldn't be bad to see them putting an end to this longing. 

Madrid's defense line is indeed weak compared to Dortmund if calculated by the number of goals conceded. But Madrid has a strong and fast front line. And they are all capable of scoring goals, meaning it doesn't depend on one player. Vini, Rodry, Brahim are young players who are reliable and fast. Can Dortmund's defense stop them? Bellingham, Valverde are also players who are ready on all fronts. Aurelien and Camavinga are midfield players, but are ready to play in defensive positions. I think this is something that Real Madrid has an advantage that other clubs in general don't have.

 It’s a UCL final and you don’t expect a great coach like Ancelotti not to take the final match with all carefulness. He’s past this stage before and of course know how much he needs to prepare his team for the final especially against Dortmund. This Dortmund side, he knows they look small but they have nothing to lose and if they win they will go down in history books.
 
We will see great tactics from both managers as this is a final and they wouldn’t relax but prepare vigorously for the match. Just like Atalanta using great tactics to counter Leverkusen’s, Dortmund will come with same pattern but might not work this time. Yes we know how the small teams could probably end up winning the trophy but against Real Madrid you have to be very very prepared.
 
 Yes we know football is unpredictable but to maneuver Real Madrid you have to be real ready both players fitness and tactically. That was done by Pep last season and sincerely I don’t think that will be repeated this season especially with Real huge experience in the UCL final. of course Dortmund have a chance, they are in the finals but I don’t like giving false hopes as you can see how large the Real Madrid fan base is. I think the fan base is enough motivation for Real Madrid to go on and lift their 15th UCL title as I don’t think there will be any surprises in the match.
 

Madrid certainly have everything they need to face the final later, mentality, performance, and also the quality of the team to face Dortmund later, but still it also cannot guarantee they can beat Dortmund easily later, especially if we see in Dortmund's journey to the final they managed to beat a favorite team like PSG who did have quality and also better performance than Dortmund,  the Champions League final is a prestigious final and of course the tactics and strategies applied by both coaches can be the difference and determinant of victory from both teams in the final match later.

I think the Europa League final a few weeks ago can be our reference to no longer tend to make the favorite team as champions in the final match, because there is really no team that cannot be beaten so far even though no matter how great the team has been, no matter how great Madrid is at this time, of course there is still a gap for a team to beat them,  Moreover, we know that Dortmund certainly also has the motivation to be able to beat Madrid and of course to win the Champions League trophy in the final match later.

Dortmund have proven to us that they are one of the teams with good defense this season in the Champions League. Dortmund only conceded 4 goals in 6 group stage matches against Milan, PSG and Newcastle. So in my opinion Dortmund has proven that its defense is reliable, in fact Dortmund only conceded a total of 9 goals from the group stage to reaching the final.

Dortmund's problem may be their low goal productivity, while their defense is quite strong. Real Madrid is more productive than Dortmund, but Real Madrid has a weaker defense in terms of the number of goals conceded. This season's final is certainly very interesting because both teams have different games and strategies, but I don't expect the match to be boring and monotonous because of Real Madrid's dominance in building attacks.

you can't compare what happened between Atalanta and Bayern Leverkusen at the UEFA Europa League finals what's going to play out in tge champions league finals between real Madrid and Dortmund. Atalanta where the better teams with experience and energetic player and were involved in there games even before the encounter. Leverkusen unbeaten run didn't make them the better side at all and they were only lucky to have had no loss but lots of draw that they always manage to steal from thier opponents towards the end of the game. This is not same with what's going to happen in the real Madrid game against Dortmund in the champions league finals. Real Madrid is the better team In this case and is the favorite to winning the champions league. It's not just that statistics shows it so but from the angle of the individual player performance and to the quality of there coach and the fact that they are defending champions, its most likey that tgey will still win the champions league again.

My little concern is when I look at what played out yesterday at the FA cup finals between Manchester United and Manchester City were city lost to Manchester United, it's certainly going to boost the moral of the Dortmund team to assume that they can manage to pull something out of the match. Also, real Madrid drew there last match against a much weaker team and while fans might assume that they didn't want to take the match seriously, the Dortmunds team will want to take something out of the match cause if you critically analyse what led to real Madrid inability to scoring in Thier last match, you will notice that the team they played against played almost same pattern of football like real Madrid and were as attacking minded as real Madrid which kind of disorganized them. Dortmund is also good in terms of thier attacks and would most likely bring it on to it peak in the finals but real Madrid quality in terms of delivering all those true passes is the added advantage that will be of the greatest help they will have to rely on in the all important champions league finals.

If we look at the statistics and reputation of the two teams, then we are quite confident in saying that the chances of a surprise happening are very low, and Madrid really deserves to be the favorite. I don't mean to underestimate Dortmund, but all bettors definitely see Madrid as a team that has a better chance of winning the Champions League trophy than Dortmund, it's clear that everyone has their own perception.

Talking about winning mentality, I think we can easily guess too, who has a better mentality, and also who will be able to manage pressure well, Madrid in this case is certainly better. Even though Dortmund managed to reach the final, their struggle was not as difficult as that faced by Madrid in the previous round, so it is natural to consider the Bundesliga representatives as an unseeded team.

On the other hand, the results of the Europa League final between Atalanta and Leverkusen may change the view of some bettors, that there is always another possibility such as a miracle in football. Likewise, the Champions League final, all these possibilities could happen, even though theoretically we put Madrid as the top team.

Yes, it's true that it's difficult to predict because Dortmund could give Madrid a surprise, like in the UEL final yesterday where Atalanta beat Leverkusen with a landslide score in the final and I'm sure many people lost their bets because they chose Leverkusen, therefore this UCL final even though Madrid is still in the top Of course, Madrid has to be careful when facing Dortmund because of course they will definitely look for ways to learn how to play Madrid and how to put pressure on Madrid to be able to control the match and score goals.

You are right that now they have time to learn each other's strength techniques, the point is to read the opponent's playing style where of course both of them will really want to win in the final match, Madrid wants to win their 15th title and Dortmund also wants to win it because it has been a long time not winning the UCL trophy, so far both of them have played quite well in the UCL and of course they will definitely show their best game, no one can be underestimated in this final match because both of them are great teams who deserve to enter the UCL final and they have the same strength.

It's good to discuss this and respond to some quality posts here that know what they are talking about. However, as I mentioned in my previous post i will stick with my prediction that even if Real Madrid wins the finals, it will be in a difficult way only. Dortmund will be a strong and resilient opponent, as they will throw all their chances and attempt to score early in the first minutes so then play counter attacks beside a good defense as we have seen their strong defense against PSG.
Real Madrid also prefers teams that primarily defend, but the issue is that most of the time they become overconfident and neglect smaller opponents. Therefore I expect a scenario where Real Madrid concedes a goal and then tries to draw the score and win the match at the very last minutes. This kind of scenario with Real Madrid is very entertaining to watch but also quite stressful for us as fans.

Both teams now have plenty of time to prepare and study each other’s techniques. The coaches will play the most role here. Both teams have experienced and strong players but in my opinion, the coach will make the difference. Also, I would say that betting on this match is very risky since we can't even predict the total number of goals for example.

So true. The strategy used by the coach is actually the most important thing in a game. Because if the coach makes the wrong tactics or strategy then it will make the team chaotic. What happened in the semi-final match when Madrid played against Bayern is that we can see that Bayern withdrew their main forward players too quickly. Some were even replaced by defenders. Bayern intends to strengthen their defense and want to secure a narrow score. And this was a fatal mistake because they forgot that the team they were facing was Real Madrid, which should not be given even the slightest chance. At that time, Bayern should have continued to play attacking and try to add goals. But they didn't do it and instead persisted. which makes Real Madrid get many opportunities. Dortmund must learn from the Bayern vs Real Madrid match. So that Dortmund doesn't make mistakes like Bayern did.

everyone has a different opinion but this time I support your opinion that is more realistic and looks more convincing.
anyone knows the comparison of Terzic with Ancelotti and everyone is even very sure that the results of the upcoming match are still Madrid who will win and there will be no surprise except the draw ended with the penalty round.
from the squad of the two teams, Madrid has a player who is truly more quality in terms of experience and also a mentality that is very ready to destroy the defense of the Terzic troops.
maybe Terzic has a few ways to try to provide resistance to try to get closer with luck but still the results are in vain when Madrid will dominate the match.

we can see from the odds provided by the bookmakers that Madrid is very favored while from other options such as Asian total or Handicap it is seen that the chances of Madrid victory are very large to be able to defeat Dortmund even if only with a very thin assistion.

The confidence and mentality of the Madrid players on the field is beyond doubt, but when it comes to tactical battles between coaches, anything can happen if each other is able to take advantage of opportunities. When facing Bayern Munich, we still remember Thomas Tuchel who was too quick to withdraw his core players so that Ancelotti could look for gaps until he proved capable of scoring goals when Bayern Munich attack line was no longer sharp. Kane, Musiala and Sane were withdrawn out, Ancelotti immediately focused on total attack. So if Dortmund also makes the slightest mistake in rotating players, it will only allow Real Madrid to take advantage of bigger opportunities to score goals.