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Quote from: promise444c5 on June 20, 2024, 05:48:50 PM

Maybe, maybe not they are yet to finalise it, they are used to having alot of talented players no doubt and about the rotation , if I get it right I.e rotating mbappe for other player which I don't think it will be very possible although they might want to rest him but rotating him frequently might not be very possible IMO but if it turns out to be true then I hope he adapt without losing form ( don't forget about hazard ,although his case was different..)

Since they have signed Mbappe, Ancelotti have to do some rotation in the squad in order to create space for Mbappe since they are not making use of Joselo they have as a striker, definitely, one of the wingers will have to be plying as a forced striker even though it can never be one at a time, the wingers need to be rotting by switching positions from wing to strike which will make them more dangerous because they will be difficult to predict.
Hazard case was different, he was a natural winger that was brought to the team before Vinicius and Rodrygo, so he had the chance to make it but failed.

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Quote from: Hvdv on June 20, 2024, 05:17:53 PM

Mbappe is a great player and I'm sure Carlo Ancelotti is delighted to have him now. His rotation is quite wide right now. Considering that Arda Güler plays great in the wing position, they have a lot of options and a young average age. We can say that Ancelotti has established the squad for the next 5 years.

Maybe, maybe not they are yet to finalise it, they are used to having alot of talented players no doubt and about the rotation , if I get it right I.e rotating mbappe for other player which I don't think it will be very possible although they might want to rest him but rotating him frequently might not be very possible IMO but if it turns out to be true then I hope he adapt without losing form ( don't forget about hazard ,although his case was different..)

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I agree with you on that, because Mbappé can arrive in a very capricious way to a Madrid where basically he can't and shouldn't do things the way he wants, Madrid is not PSG and that was one of the reasons why they didn't want Mbappé to come to Madrid and I think that here the one who is going to make the difference without a doubt is going to be Ancelotti, because above all he is a gentleman who must be respected, everyone at Madrid respects him and knows that he is more than a coach, he is like a father to them, when he found out that Kross was leaving, Carletto cried, so Ancelotti is more than a coach to them, that's why I don't think that Mbappé will arrive with that emphasis of wanting to do whatever he wants.

Basically, Mbappe will not be able to do as he pleases, a bit like he did when he was at Paris saint Germain, in PSG he was the top player pampered by everyone and had no major rivals in his role, at Real Madrid he will become one of many top players and the starting place is by no means assured. So he better be respectful of the locker room hierarchies

I think that before doing that he should think about Ancelotti, because Ancelotti is a very good coach but he is seen to be very severe, so in this order of ideas things can be considered very good because this player, if he comes with great potential, must adapt no matter what, even more so now that Madrid is on a winning streak and here he must do what he is told and accept the group of players as they are, therefore things for him at Madrid only depend on him, I am sure that he can show everything he has but as long as he respects and adapts, perhaps things can be easy if he makes up his mind.

Mbappe is a great player and I'm sure Carlo Ancelotti is delighted to have him now. His rotation is quite wide right now. Considering that Arda Güler plays great in the wing position, they have a lot of options and a young average age. We can say that Ancelotti has established the squad for the next 5 years.

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Quote from: Falconer on June 20, 2024, 04:36:34 PM

Of course, management and fans should give him time instead of having high expectations for him for the first season. Arne Slot is expected to be able to handle many of the things that have been obstacles for Liverpool in winning the title, but he must go through an adaptation process. Liverpool management must give him support, as do all the fans. Instant success cannot be expected, this applies to all coaches, although there are several coaches who managed to win the title in their first season.

The Champions League is certainly more difficult than the Premier League, so I don't think Arne Slot can be expected to win it in the first season. So I agree, give him time and be patient, Arne Slot will probably prove his worth in coaching Liverpool.

Yes, they have to lower their expectations of Liverpool a little because after all the new coach has to go through a process which will allow him to get to know his squad very well. Moreover, Liverpool has been with Jurgen Klopp for a long time, so perhaps it will take time for Arne Slot to implement the strategy he wants, because whether he likes it or not, if Jurgen Klopp has been in charge for a long time, what Jurgen Klopp implements will be attached to the team as a whole.

They have to give Arne a slot of time, they can't immediately give him a very high target in my opinion, because that would make them likely to make hasty decisions. They have to give opportunities like they gave Jurgen Klopp a chance, of course that has to be seen from the club's development. If there is a positive development, when they don't achieve anything next season then they have to give it another chance.

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Quote from: slapper on June 20, 2024, 11:31:53 AM

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Things are going well for Klopp and the club. There shouldn't be any drama, which is a good start. Slot, this dude's got some serious chops. He was great at Feyenoord, and while every boss is different, Klopp's support for him says a lot

It's dumb to expect wonders right away in the UCL or EPL. Give the guy some time. While tactics are important, it's also important for the players to understand how he does things. But I'm hopeful, man. Today, football is all about being able to change and adapt. Slot will surprise a lot of people if he can get the team to think that way. This isn't going to be like Manchester United when Ten Hag was in charge. Liverpool is different , and I believe Slot has the drive and concepts to really make things happen

Of course, management and fans should give him time instead of having high expectations for him for the first season. Arne Slot is expected to be able to handle many of the things that have been obstacles for Liverpool in winning the title, but he must go through an adaptation process. Liverpool management must give him support, as do all the fans. Instant success cannot be expected, this applies to all coaches, although there are several coaches who managed to win the title in their first season.

The Champions League is certainly more difficult than the Premier League, so I don't think Arne Slot can be expected to win it in the first season. So I agree, give him time and be patient, Arne Slot will probably prove his worth in coaching Liverpool.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 20, 2024, 12:38:39 PM

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Basically, Mbappe will not be able to do as he pleases, a bit like he did when he was at Paris saint Germain, in PSG he was the top player pampered by everyone and had no major rivals in his role, at Real Madrid he will become one of many top players and the starting place is by no means assured. So he better be respectful of the locker room hierarchies

Mbappe has a privilege at PSG so that he does have a behavior and also an ego that does make him feel powerful over other players in the team and also the coach, after extending his contract with PSG two seasons ago, Mbappe got the privilege to set manage players and also determine the coach to be fired or stay according to Mbappe wishes, so that is what makes many conflicts occur within the PSG team and of course has an impact on stability and also PSG performance so far, after joining Madrid, of course he will not get this privilege later, so far we know that Mbappe is a star player that Madrid continues to covet, but that does not mean Madrid will prioritize Mbappe over other players in the squad.

Ancelotti is a very experienced coach so of course he will be able to handle players like Mbappe in the squad, besides that all this time we know Ancelotti as a coach who is indeed very firm so that he does not hesitate to Pulling out star players because who are not in accordance with expectations and also follow his instructions.

Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

I don't know why but I feel this mbappe and real Madrid something is become too obvious and the expectation bar is actually set too high if you ask me because mbappe couldn't be the first big name there that might have the possibility of a total flop and that's the part no one is talking about maybe due to the past club participation, well I can point out the case of Eden harzard as an example for everyone to see my reasons.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 20, 2024, 12:38:39 PM

Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

Mbappé has paved the way for himself and carved out a niche for himself with his impressive and outstanding performance at the league and national level, this act have given him an edge over a lot of players and the popularity he's gotten over the world today.

Real Madrid saw all the potentials and the performance metrics this guy command and decided to leverage on it for a good deal. I don't think Madrid will stand to lose anything with the calculations they've made on the player, it will definitely be profitable for the club at the end. So, congratulations once more to the Madrid club and fans.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 20, 2024, 01:49:05 PM

I feel like Manchester City is getting both overrated and underrated at the same time and it is funny to me. People who think that Manchester City will win this year, are acting as if Real Madrid (or any other team really) have absolutely no chance and City will destroy everyone this season.

And people who think Real (or any other team really) will win acting like Manchester City is a terrible team that has absolutely no chance of winning at all. That's not the case, find the middle guys. We are going to see City have a chance, maybe it will be a good decent chance, or maybe a little lower, but it is a chance. They "may" win, but to be fair they "may" lose too, we do not know what is going to happen and we need to wait and see.

It's natural because they are fans because, for example, if you are a fan of Real Madrid, in reality you will support Real Madrid completely, and that's natural. So, there is nothing strange or wrong about this, because basically this is a prediction. After all, in the predictions we will find which teams will win and lose, but at the same time we will also get predictions about the draw result. Thus, there is nothing to exaggerate or underestimate if we look at this from a prediction perspective. Unless, if you look at it from the opposite side, then of course you will think they are underestimating or exaggerating too much. But for me personally, I don't think there's anything wrong because after all, Real Madrid is also clearly the strongest European team and also regarding Manchester City, at least they also always have a chance to progress further.

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Quote from: RockBell on June 20, 2024, 02:46:11 PM

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Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

I don't think their is any other privilege for him than to play good food ball when he plays good football then he will get a lot of acknowledgement. And he will will have his dream come through which is to win the Champions League and his performance can also earn him personal trophies. I don't think Madrid will give special treatment, and if eventually he gets special treatment then lucky him. I don't what he needs are beyond what he thinks, this is a opportunity for him to be the best with the kinds of team mates he going to have, so he needs to work with them to be able to get his dream accomplished, and he as Vinicius Junior to support him, so I feel Mbappe will even have more supporters from Madrid than he had in psg.

Currently I think Mbappe is about to get one of his biggest achievements which is to be able to win the world best player, to win the champions league which he couldn't win with PSG and to be seen as the best when it comes to individual achievements. Mbappe has got himself an honor by choosing to play for Real Madrid I believe he already have the privilege to play alongside with the biggest and best young players in the world right now in the person of vinicius junior, Jude Bellingham and others. Mbappe having the best manager in the world right now as his coach is really a privilege because he will improve his playing abilities and improve his performance as a professional footballer so his performance and relationships with his teammates will determine how lucky he's going to be in the team.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 20, 2024, 12:38:39 PM

Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

I don't think their is any other privilege for him than to play good food ball when he plays good football then he will get a lot of acknowledgement. And he will will have his dream come through which is to win the Champions League and his performance can also earn him personal trophies. I don't think Madrid will give special treatment, and if eventually he gets special treatment then lucky him. I don't what he needs are beyond what he thinks, this is a opportunity for him to be the best with the kinds of team mates he going to have, so he needs to work with them to be able to get his dream accomplished, and he as Vinicius Junior to support him, so I feel Mbappe will even have more supporters from Madrid than he had in psg.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on June 20, 2024, 05:27:12 AM

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Liverpool didn't fire Jurgen Klopp because Klopp decided to retire himself so I think Liverpool still has a good relationship with Klopp. In my opinion, there is a possibility that Arne Slot will be selected because of Klopp's suggestion. For the first stage, Liverpool cannot hope to achieve good results in the UCL and EPL. Arne Slot also requires tactical adaptation to each Liverpool player. Every coach has a different way even though they have the same philosophy. In modern football I don't think big names make much of an impact. A coach must be able to adapt to various variations of tactics and watch replays of each opponent's game. I think a flexible coach is the coach Liverpool needs right now.

Klopp's departure was surprising. This was unexpected. But dont worry. They're not sinking. Liv has world-class talent, a solid foundation, and a winning tradition. Arne Slot is an interesting pick. He's no magician. He'll take time to make them champs.

Time is needed. He needs to learn league, player, and system knowledge. The task is hard. However, I enjoy his style. He has guts. He experiments. Right now, Liverpool needs that. Start over for a new vision.

Am I expecting a title next year? No. They shouldn't fall apart either. Perhaps mid-table. Progress and heartfelt team are enough for me. Its a gamble, yeah. But great risks can yield great benefits. Just trust the process. Lets try Slot. Lets test him.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 20, 2024, 12:38:39 PM

Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

Some of the preference may even come at the very beginning of his stay in Madrid and with time may not be there anymore as they may probably be replaced by another that's even more than that he had gotten earlier and all this is dependent on his performance and the results and outcome form his performance as he further stays in the Spanish side. Mabppe is expected by all to do something great at Madrid, owing to the fact that he's a big name and he's also in a big team so it appears like a platter of gold which less isn't expected at any moment.

Madrid is just the perfect place for.mbappe to strive and probably get to the peak of his career, he has been such a talent that most team especially Madrid has wished and wanted to have hime.on their team long before now and, now they have gotten that uneven privilege to have him in their tem, he also appears as one who has always wished and wanted to be in the Madrid team too and it's a dream come true so I'm believing every of this opportunity will be used to the fullest, and the reward therefore is sure, one of which will be the special treatment form the coach and the team a a whole of which in some cases the management may likely get to favour him in different ways too.

We know that Real Madrid is a big club and as a matter of fact the biggest European club which makes it a very big deal for any star player that's signed to the club to have instant success in the Real Madrid team but I don't think that'll be the case with France national team captain Kylian Mbappe who recently signed for the Spanish and European champions. Considering the achievements and success story of Kylian Mbappe since he started professional football, the Frenchman have already proven that he's very capable of succeeding in any team he finds himself and I don't think there's anything that's gonna stop him from having a very good campaign in his first season at Real Madrid.
Before Kylian Mbappe arrived at Real Madrid, the club already have a team that's very formidable so Kylian Mbappe will serve as an icing on the cake instead of struggling to find form. Also, Real Madrid is blessed with talented and creative midfield players and wingers who'll always create clear scoring chances for Kylian Mbappe.

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I feel like Manchester City is getting both overrated and underrated at the same time and it is funny to me. People who think that Manchester City will win this year, are acting as if Real Madrid (or any other team really) have absolutely no chance and City will destroy everyone this season.

And people who think Real (or any other team really) will win acting like Manchester City is a terrible team that has absolutely no chance of winning at all. That's not the case, find the middle guys. We are going to see City have a chance, maybe it will be a good decent chance, or maybe a little lower, but it is a chance. They "may" win, but to be fair they "may" lose too, we do not know what is going to happen and we need to wait and see.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 20, 2024, 12:38:39 PM

Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

Some of the preference may even come at the very beginning of his stay in Madrid and with time may not be there anymore as they may probably be replaced by another that's even more than that he had gotten earlier and all this is dependent on his performance and the results and outcome form his performance as he further stays in the Spanish side. Mabppe is expected by all to do something great at Madrid, owing to the fact that he's a big name and he's also in a big team so it appears like a platter of gold which less isn't expected at any moment.

Madrid is just the perfect place for.mbappe to strive and probably get to the peak of his career, he has been such a talent that most team especially Madrid has wished and wanted to have hime.on their team long before now and, now they have gotten that uneven privilege to have him in their tem, he also appears as one who has always wished and wanted to be in the Madrid team too and it's a dream come true so I'm believing every of this opportunity will be used to the fullest, and the reward therefore is sure, one of which will be the special treatment form the coach and the team a a whole of which in some cases the management may likely get to favour him in different ways too.

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Indeed. No manager will stay forever, someday he must leave the team. When a new coach/manager comes, he must have some challenges. He needs to adapt with the players and the atmosphere of the competition. Sometimes it takes for more than 1 season to adapt well and manage the team in the right way. Choosing the right strategy/tactics must know the players first, it won't be easy and won't be in a short time. Even a coach is an experienced person, it won't be an instant process to adapt with a new team.

Any great coach also needs time to make a club successful, Carlo Ancelotti, Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho, Thomas Tuchel, Jurgen Kloop. They are great coaches and they need several seasons to make the club they coach win a title whether domestic or international and clubs also have to be more patient in dealing with the process because it is not easy to build a club, especially building a big club, it requires focus and consistency so that the club can perform well. There is no coach who gives instant results. If there really is one, I think his hands are magical.

It even took Xabi Alonso 2 seasons to improve Leverkusen's performance to become an unbeatable club even though Leverkusen is not an elite club, but when the management is patient and enjoys the process, finally Leverkusen can enjoy good results this season and win the title, so if the club wants success they should Don't change coaches in a short time because that will make it difficult for the players to adapt to the new coach and make their performance unstable because they have to deal with different coaches who have different strategies.

Yes, I understand that a coach definitely is going to need time to bring in good results with a club. But my question is how far is someone going to allow his club to drop? Is it ok if the club actually goes to the relegation zone and starts improving? Or is it ok if the club actually gets relegated and after that starts improving? I think a lot of people are actually concerned and want to see a new coach quickly because they are actually worried that something like that might happen. Of course, it is an example of the extreme situation that could happen. But people are always going to assume the worst. Just because it took someone two years to bring in good results with a squad, doesn’t mean for the other coaches it is going to be the same. It could take longer or it might not even take two years.

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Liverpool and PSG are going to be teams that I will be wondering the most next season.

- Liverpool are starting off with a clean slate. Arne Slot is in charge after 9 seasons with Klopp. We don't even have much knowledge about him. I only know him with some achievements in the Dutch league and that's all. Sad

- I'm curious about PSG too because they don't have Mbappe anymore. We have watched them with their superstar for years. The system has been built over him all the time. From now on Luis Enrique will need to make significant changes. Who knows maybe it might work and they start performing better than ever. Grin

Especially PSG are in desperate need of winning a Champions League title. But for now it is hard to believe in them to do it.

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Quote from: Palakka on June 20, 2024, 12:20:54 PM

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Basically, Mbappe will not be able to do as he pleases, a bit like he did when he was at Paris saint Germain, in PSG he was the top player pampered by everyone and had no major rivals in his role, at Real Madrid he will become one of many top players and the starting place is by no means assured. So he better be respectful of the locker room hierarchies

Mbappe has a privilege at PSG so that he does have a behavior and also an ego that does make him feel powerful over other players in the team and also the coach, after extending his contract with PSG two seasons ago, Mbappe got the privilege to set manage players and also determine the coach to be fired or stay according to Mbappe wishes, so that is what makes many conflicts occur within the PSG team and of course has an impact on stability and also PSG performance so far, after joining Madrid, of course he will not get this privilege later, so far we know that Mbappe is a star player that Madrid continues to covet, but that does not mean Madrid will prioritize Mbappe over other players in the squad.

Ancelotti is a very experienced coach so of course he will be able to handle players like Mbappe in the squad, besides that all this time we know Ancelotti as a coach who is indeed very firm so that he does not hesitate to Pulling out star players because who are not in accordance with expectations and also follow his instructions.

Mbappe will get privilege base on his performance and contribution to the Madrid's team but isn't something that will happen immediately but with time and base on his contribution in the club, you can take this part away, basically the fact that when these big name players joined a particular club most of them usually get special treatment from their manager and also further having more influence or say in the team than every other player in their.

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on June 15, 2024, 05:46:17 PM

Basically, Mbappe will not be able to do as he pleases, a bit like he did when he was at Paris saint Germain, in PSG he was the top player pampered by everyone and had no major rivals in his role, at Real Madrid he will become one of many top players and the starting place is by no means assured. So he better be respectful of the locker room hierarchies

Mbappe has a privilege at PSG so that he does have a behavior and also an ego that does make him feel powerful over other players in the team and also the coach, after extending his contract with PSG two seasons ago, Mbappe got the privilege to set manage players and also determine the coach to be fired or stay according to Mbappe wishes, so that is what makes many conflicts occur within the PSG team and of course has an impact on stability and also PSG performance so far, after joining Madrid, of course he will not get this privilege later, so far we know that Mbappe is a star player that Madrid continues to covet, but that does not mean Madrid will prioritize Mbappe over other players in the squad.

Ancelotti is a very experienced coach so of course he will be able to handle players like Mbappe in the squad, besides that all this time we know Ancelotti as a coach who is indeed very firm so that he does not hesitate to Pulling out star players because who are not in accordance with expectations and also follow his instructions.

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Quote from: slapper on June 20, 2024, 11:31:53 AM

It's dumb to expect wonders right away in the UCL or EPL. Give the guy some time. While tactics are important, it's also important for the players to understand how he does things. But I'm hopeful, man. Today, football is all about being able to change and adapt. Slot will surprise a lot of people if he can get the team to think that way. This isn't going to be like Manchester United when Ten Hag was in charge. Liverpool is different , and I believe Slot has the drive and concepts to really make things happen

Yes, it is clear that every new coach needs time to adapt to all the players in the main squad because it also requires an approach to know the playing character of each player in Liverpool and Slot of course must be given enough time to make Liverpool a good team in the next season. , this is important considering that Klopp's resignation will certainly cause the players' performance to decline, but Slot must ensure that he can replace Klopp and can bring Liverpool to compete in the EPL and UCL next season.

I think it's too pushy and pressing if you have to hope that Slot can bring Liverpool to win the EPL or UCL next season, even though nothing is impossible in football of course everyone has to think more clearly, it's not easy to adapt to new players and coaches in a short time everyone it needs a process and the Slot must utilize each process to continuously improve it if there are mistakes he makes in setting strategy, tactics or rotating players to compete. Can't wait to see Liverpool's first debut with Slot.

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on June 15, 2024, 05:46:17 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 14, 2024, 08:41:07 PM

I agree with you on that, because Mbappé can arrive in a very capricious way to a Madrid where basically he can't and shouldn't do things the way he wants, Madrid is not PSG and that was one of the reasons why they didn't want Mbappé to come to Madrid and I think that here the one who is going to make the difference without a doubt is going to be Ancelotti, because above all he is a gentleman who must be respected, everyone at Madrid respects him and knows that he is more than a coach, he is like a father to them, when he found out that Kross was leaving, Carletto cried, so Ancelotti is more than a coach to them, that's why I don't think that Mbappé will arrive with that emphasis of wanting to do whatever he wants.

Basically, Mbappe will not be able to do as he pleases, a bit like he did when he was at Paris saint Germain, in PSG he was the top player pampered by everyone and had no major rivals in his role, at Real Madrid he will become one of many top players and the starting place is by no means assured. So he better be respectful of the locker room hierarchies

I think that before doing that he should think about Ancelotti, because Ancelotti is a very good coach but he is seen to be very severe, so in this order of ideas things can be considered very good because this player, if he comes with great potential, must adapt no matter what, even more so now that Madrid is on a winning streak and here he must do what he is told and accept the group of players as they are, therefore things for him at Madrid only depend on him, I am sure that he can show everything he has but as long as he respects and adapts, perhaps things can be easy if he makes up his mind.

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