UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 460.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

I can’t say that PSG showed a very bad game, everyone played as usual Messi so-so, Mbappe was also without a spark, and Neymar was absent altogether due to the fact that he continues to recover from injury. Unfortunately, I saw the news that Benzema's participation in the first match is in doubt, this is a serious plus for PSG. At least if Benzema is absent, it will give them some peace of mind in defense.

Even if Benzema was absent then Real Madrid would still have good players to replace him, but it is true that normally it will never be the same. Without Benzema I don't think Real Madrid will have a big problem with how they score but this is an important point for PSG and they have to take advantage of it.

I hope that the trio of Neymar, Mbappe and Messi can have a good impact on the match because if PSG can win by more than 2 goals in the first leg then I believe they will be safer in the second leg. PSG is not too bad compared to Real Madrid, both teams have both had good performance in their respective league as the leader of the table so this match will be the most interesting among football fans.

Judging by yesterday's match, the absence of Benzema can still have a strong impact on Real Madrid. Of course, the Copa del Rey and the Champions League are different competitions with different motivations, but Benzema is a super player (according to Ronaldo top 1 now) and his absence is very important. As for Neymar, he will miss the first leg - won't he? Messi is not dangerous. Mbappe is dangerous, but I hope Real Madrid's defense can handle him.

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Psg is the stronger team in this matchup in my opinion. Real Madrid is a very strong team, but if Psg can achieve an advantageous score in the first match, they are a strong team to maintain this advantage in the second match. If Real Madrid leaves with a good score, Psg can play well away. Their staff is really good. Especially on the offensive line, Neymar-Mbappe-Messi is a great trio.

But on the other hand, their current strength is balanced, I think. Their goal ratio is quite balanced in their respective leagues and it shows their strength and productivity is unquestionable.
On the other hand, we also see now the strength of the Madrid Trio, namely Benzema, Vinicius and Asensio, who are indeed quite good. On the other hand, it doesn't mean PSG's strikers are bad but if we look at the current problem, they are still struggling in cohesiveness and some of them are still concerned with their own ego.

Ego always loses. Think of a team that a few players hurt the team with their ego. There would be a lot of unrest in such a team. I haven't seen too many egotistical players in psg. I understand that Mbappe just doesn't want to sign a contract. Ego doesn't count, he just wants to follow his dreams. Because money is not a problem for Psg. They are willing to pay whatever they want. Mbappe will leave because he wants to play for Real Madrid.

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Quote from: hahay on February 03, 2022, 11:58:00 AM

After all, Atletico are still under Diego Simeone who is a dangerous coach too I think, although so far this season couldn't make a good consistency but still. Atletico is a team that has been under the supervision of its coach for a long time, unlike Manchester United which continues to change coaches and also the ongoing issues in the team make Manchester United's focus seem to be decreasing a bit. In that case, I think Atletico are still in a better condition and situation which of course Atletico will take advantage of this moment to get rid of Manchester United.

In this match, it is generally difficult to give preference to any club. And Manchester United and especially Atletico Madrid do not justify the hopes that experts and ordinary fans had placed on the clubs before the season. For me personally, both clubs are about equal in strength at this point in time and it is difficult for me to give any advantage to any club, but still, given Diego Simeone's rich and quite successful experience of matches in the Champions League playoffs compared to Ralph Rangnik, I will still give some advantage to Simeone's team. However, much more food for thought and calculations will appear after the first match between these rivals.

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Mbappe only wants to serve with the existing contract with PSG while the offer of a new contract is a long decision if PSG can persuade Mbappe to stay then that is better, but if Mbappe is released on a free transfer then it is ridiculous that PSG has wasted so much money.
If in the UCL, PSG have to submit to Madrid then the possibility of this dream of being a champion will fade, even I have doubts about Madrid.
Actually Mbappe must be ready with his choice.

Mbappe could agree a new contract with PSG but he may prefer to focus on the Champions League for now. I don't follow a lot of news about his contract renewal with PSG but it's very important.

There is a possibility that Mbappe will move to another team if PSG fail to win the Champions League title sooner than we think. The round of 16 clash will largely determine Mbappe's future at PSG and it will influence his decision to stay or move at the end of the season. I'm not convinced by PSG's failure to extend his contract, he will have to agree to an offer even though it will eventually be sold.

PSG are very optimistic that Mbappe will sign a new contract with them but if in anyone he didn't then I will think the board and management of Paris Saint Germain are very stupid and have no value for money and are not good business men,and are full of pride, but I think the reason Mbappe wants to leave is because he is tired of the competition of the French league,he has been there all his life he wants to taste something different and he also wants to follow the path of benzema

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Quote from: Red Pie on February 03, 2022, 02:43:07 PM

Mbappe may want to be a legend at Real Madrid. Real Madrid is one of the legendary teams of the football world. It may be the dream of every football player to play for Real Madrid. I consider this normal. Mbappe, on the other hand, is aware of the opportunity and will most likely play for Real Madrid in the champions league next year.

We all know it's all set for Mbappé to be in Real Madrid in next season because its dream team for every soccer player and no one want to lose this opportunity so just because of this he is no signing new contract with current club PSG, and now we have rumours PSG manager is also having desire to leave club at the end of this season so most chances we are going to have some good changes in this club at the end of this season as right now with many stars they are fail to have their results which is not acceptable for owner, so now they are doing some wholesale changes for next season and trying this all in new way with most chances Real Madrid legendary Zidane is coming here.

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Mbappe only wants to serve with the existing contract with PSG while the offer of a new contract is a long decision if PSG can persuade Mbappe to stay then that is better, but if Mbappe is released on a free transfer then it is ridiculous that PSG has wasted so much money.
If in the UCL, PSG have to submit to Madrid then the possibility of this dream of being a champion will fade, even I have doubts about Madrid.
Actually Mbappe must be ready with his choice.

Mbappe could agree a new contract with PSG but he may prefer to focus on the Champions League for now. I don't follow a lot of news about his contract renewal with PSG but it's very important.

There is a possibility that Mbappe will move to another team if PSG fail to win the Champions League title sooner than we think. The round of 16 clash will largely determine Mbappe's future at PSG and it will influence his decision to stay or move at the end of the season. I'm not convinced by PSG's failure to extend his contract, he will have to agree to an offer even though it will eventually be sold.

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^They can't keep him as far as I am aware. He already agreed to sign a deal with Real Madrid at the sum of 50 million euros. That is the news at least, I am sure he didn't sign any papers yet but who does it before they leave? He will wait for his contract to officially end and then he will sign with Real for that much money.

This is not even about if they could keep him or not in that case, it is about him already gone by this summer, it is known. That is the news at least, maybe news are fake and he hasn't talked with them, since there is no official statement from the both sides then we couldn't possibly "know" it, this is probably just an insider information.

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And for me mbappe made the right choice, every player will love to play for Real Madrid and I think he possesses what it takes to succeed over they, and to think that he didn’t even consider if Messi was in the same team as him he chose his path and that’s how it should be.

Yep. We must respect Mbappe's decision. As an individual, he must have a dream. Real Madrid is a club that always has a high target in each competition, including in UCL. And this club is an experienced team to win many prestigious trophies (titles), both in Spanish and in international competitions. It makes sense if each player wants to join Real Madrid. Anyway, he must be aware that he will be prioritized to be the key player in Real Madrid future. So, de doesn't want to miss this chance.

Mbappe may want to be a legend at Real Madrid. Real Madrid is one of the legendary teams of the football world. It may be the dream of every football player to play for Real Madrid. I consider this normal. Mbappe, on the other hand, is aware of the opportunity and will most likely play for Real Madrid in the champions league next year.

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I think that this season is a big chance for not only PSG and Manchester City but also for Real Madrid. Because they also are very fascinating now. Their performance in the La Liga and the Champions League both is great. And they would surely aim to maintain this till the end of the season. Because of this, I see the PSG - Real Madrid draw like an early finale in this tournament. It would have been better to see these teams both making it to the semi finals at least. Anyway, I hope that the better playing side would be the eliminator.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

I can’t say that PSG showed a very bad game, everyone played as usual Messi so-so, Mbappe was also without a spark, and Neymar was absent altogether due to the fact that he continues to recover from injury. Unfortunately, I saw the news that Benzema's participation in the first match is in doubt, this is a serious plus for PSG. At least if Benzema is absent, it will give them some peace of mind in defense.

Even if Benzema was absent then Real Madrid would still have good players to replace him, but it is true that normally it will never be the same. Without Benzema I don't think Real Madrid will have a big problem with how they score but this is an important point for PSG and they have to take advantage of it.

I hope that the trio of Neymar, Mbappe and Messi can have a good impact on the match because if PSG can win by more than 2 goals in the first leg then I believe they will be safer in the second leg. PSG is not too bad compared to Real Madrid, both teams have both had good performance in their respective league as the leader of the table so this match will be the most interesting among football fans.

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In my opinion, because the competition in Europe is much more competitive than the domestic competition of the French League, in European competition there are stronger teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, City etc. Players from these clubs are also more competitive so it will be difficult for PSG players to face them, this is hard to find in French competition. and the problem is, the competition in France is relatively not too competitive for PSG, so it seems they don't have a winning mentality when competing in Europe.
And another reason having many star players does not guarantee victory, what is needed is cohesiveness and solid cooperation between players.
and having many star players in one club, more ego from players and coaches plays a big role in such situations and also having many star players will depend on the coach.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 03, 2022, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

I can’t say that PSG showed a very bad game, everyone played as usual Messi so-so, Mbappe was also without a spark, and Neymar was absent altogether due to the fact that he continues to recover from injury.

PSG is not considered as a weak team. But their performance is totally unpredictable. They have many talented players. But as a team, they are not as strong as we expect. They have the ability to beat any team. Because of in their forward lineup, they have Messi-Neymar-Mbappe, they can destroy any defense. In their defense, there is Ramos. And their goalkeeper Donnarumma is talented enough.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

Unfortunately, I saw the news that Benzema's participation in the first match is in doubt, this is a serious plus for PSG. At least if Benzema is absent, it will give them some peace of mind in defense.

If Benzema will not play, then I said that team Real Madrid is in a big trouble. Because Benzema is their main scorer. Yeah, Vinicius play well now. But, the team is still now heavily dependent on Benzema. And Obviously, it is a great opportunity for PSG to win this match.

Most likely, both Benzema and Neymar will be absent, so in this sense we have complete equality. I consider Neymar either the first number at PSG or the second (after Mbappe).
As far as PSG's strength or weakness, that's a tricky question - despite their dominance of Ligue 1 (in terms of results) a lot of their games were unsure where they got results in the final minutes.

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Quote from: dustboy on February 03, 2022, 12:42:26 PM

Spending a lot of money to collect many star players in order to win CL is not wise enough. It shows that PSG want instant achievement but they forget to build a great team that can survive for long time. They have started it since several years back but still unable to win the CL title. It proves that money and collection of star players cant bring instant achievement.

This is very solid point but sadly PSG management is not trying to understand this all as they are spending money for star players and having Champions League in their pocket is just waste of money for last few years they need to do some better strategy and bring few youths those can help them in this way better. It's game of patience and calm, but PSG owner is completely having nothing in his mind and wasting his oil money here without any passion and planning.

If they spend money and create a team for next few years then surely they can stay at top like Bayern or Real Madrid, but they are just spending big amounts and bringing used methods which are not giving them good results and even in this year most chances they will fall again and have nothing good in Champions League.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

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After being eliminated from the Round of 16 in the France Cup, the PSG team proved that they are still weak as a team. There are no well-known star players in the Nice team. However, PSG's performance against this team was weak. PSG made only 10 shots in the entire match, of which only two were on target. Mbappe and Messi did not play well. PSG will undoubtedly lose if they perform so poorly against Real Madrid in the Champions League. Real Madrid is a good and experienced team.

I can’t say that PSG showed a very bad game, everyone played as usual Messi so-so, Mbappe was also without a spark, and Neymar was absent altogether due to the fact that he continues to recover from injury. Unfortunately, I saw the news that Benzema's participation in the first match is in doubt, this is a serious plus for PSG. At least if Benzema is absent, it will give them some peace of mind in defense.

^ I have to say that the PSG team has very bright individual players in them but I think they somewhat fail to shine as a whole team.
Actually, football is a team game Sometimes individual talent doesn't work unless the team chemistry is good. Having players like Messi, Neymar and Mbappe come to nothing if they don't get their chemistry right. I fear that they will lose against Real Madrid in the UCL as RMA are a very well-coordinated team, even though they recently lost Ronaldo, Ramos, and Varane.

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PSG could have made a lot of money by selling Mbappe. But PSG does not seem interested in making money. They want to win the Champions League title. They will try their best to keep Mbappe in the team. My guess is that PSG management is still optimistic about Mbappe that maybe PSG will renew their contract with them and decide to stay at PSG.

yes, but this game will last as long as there is money to waste
it can't last forever
if it's a rich person's game, he may get tired sooner or later
it is not healthy to throw money like this, it is not sustainable and as a PSG fan I would be afraid

PSG Management is hungry for the Champions League title. They want to do it themselves anyway. For this they are ready to spend more money. They will not even hesitate to hire a player with high wages like Ronaldo if Ronaldo wants to come to PSG. So right now PSG's waste of money is not stopping. They are desperate to win the title.

Spending a lot of money to collect many star players in order to win CL is not wise enough. It shows that PSG want instant achievement but they forget to build a great team that can survive for long time. They have started it since several years back but still unable to win the CL title. It proves that money and collection of star players cant bring instant achievement.

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After the PSG - Real Madrid matchup, the most remarkable matchup to me is Atletico Madrid - Manchester United certainly. Because this is also a matchup between close teams in terms of strength. Atletico Madrid seem to be an unpredictable team these days and Manchester United are also not much different than them actually. However, I still see Manchester United being one step ahead of their opponent now. Because there have been good signals for them as I really liked their performance in their last a few matches. If this goes on like this, Manchester United will be my favourite to eliminate Atletico Madrid.

The matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is definitely a promising one in terms of excitement and intensity. Atletico is doing not so well in the spanish liga at the moment as they are only on the 4th place now but the same is also true for Manchester United even though i have to say that the teams that are in front of Manchester in the Premier League are way stronger than the ones that are ahead of Atletico in the La Liga. That being said, Atletico has proven several times now, that they can be very dangerous to any team, especially in play-off games. They managed to beat FC Bayern for example 2 times in a row even though Bayern was the better team, so Atletico definitely know what to do in order to advance into the next round.

After all, Atletico are still under Diego Simeone who is a dangerous coach too I think, although so far this season couldn't make a good consistency but still. Atletico is a team that has been under the supervision of its coach for a long time, unlike Manchester United which continues to change coaches and also the ongoing issues in the team make Manchester United's focus seem to be decreasing a bit. In that case, I think Atletico are still in a better condition and situation which of course Atletico will take advantage of this moment to get rid of Manchester United.

I think the Atlético Madrid and Man United match will be a thriller but I also do think that it might be a low-scoring game. Because you know how good Atlético Madrid are on the defense and Man United are a bit inconsistent on the offense.

But it will be a match full of stacked star players for both teams. I think I will opt for Atlético Madrid in this match as their defense can easily win them games and odd's are also supporting them.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on February 03, 2022, 10:18:00 AM

Quote from: Distraction on February 02, 2022, 03:31:09 PM

After the PSG - Real Madrid matchup, the most remarkable matchup to me is Atletico Madrid - Manchester United certainly. Because this is also a matchup between close teams in terms of strength. Atletico Madrid seem to be an unpredictable team these days and Manchester United are also not much different than them actually. However, I still see Manchester United being one step ahead of their opponent now. Because there have been good signals for them as I really liked their performance in their last a few matches. If this goes on like this, Manchester United will be my favourite to eliminate Atletico Madrid.

The matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is definitely a promising one in terms of excitement and intensity. Atletico is doing not so well in the spanish liga at the moment as they are only on the 4th place now but the same is also true for Manchester United even though i have to say that the teams that are in front of Manchester in the Premier League are way stronger than the ones that are ahead of Atletico in the La Liga. That being said, Atletico has proven several times now, that they can be very dangerous to any team, especially in play-off games. They managed to beat FC Bayern for example 2 times in a row even though Bayern was the better team, so Atletico definitely know what to do in order to advance into the next round.

After all, Atletico are still under Diego Simeone who is a dangerous coach too I think, although so far this season couldn't make a good consistency but still. Atletico is a team that has been under the supervision of its coach for a long time, unlike Manchester United which continues to change coaches and also the ongoing issues in the team make Manchester United's focus seem to be decreasing a bit. In that case, I think Atletico are still in a better condition and situation which of course Atletico will take advantage of this moment to get rid of Manchester United.

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Quote from: babo on February 03, 2022, 05:22:55 AM

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PSG could have made a lot of money by selling Mbappe. But PSG does not seem interested in making money. They want to win the Champions League title. They will try their best to keep Mbappe in the team. My guess is that PSG management is still optimistic about Mbappe that maybe PSG will renew their contract with them and decide to stay at PSG.

yes, but this game will last as long as there is money to waste
it can't last forever
if it's a rich person's game, he may get tired sooner or later
it is not healthy to throw money like this, it is not sustainable and as a PSG fan I would be afraid

PSG Management is hungry for the Champions League title. They want to do it themselves anyway. For this they are ready to spend more money. They will not even hesitate to hire a player with high wages like Ronaldo if Ronaldo wants to come to PSG. So right now PSG's waste of money is not stopping. They are desperate to win the title.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

I can’t say that PSG showed a very bad game, everyone played as usual Messi so-so, Mbappe was also without a spark, and Neymar was absent altogether due to the fact that he continues to recover from injury.

PSG is not considered as a weak team. But their performance is totally unpredictable. They have many talented players. But as a team, they are not as strong as we expect. They have the ability to beat any team. Because of in their forward lineup, they have Messi-Neymar-Mbappe, they can destroy any defense. In their defense, there is Ramos. And their goalkeeper Donnarumma is talented enough.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2022, 09:25:37 AM

Unfortunately, I saw the news that Benzema's participation in the first match is in doubt, this is a serious plus for PSG. At least if Benzema is absent, it will give them some peace of mind in defense.

If Benzema will not play, then I said that team Real Madrid is in a big trouble. Because Benzema is their main scorer. Yeah, Vinicius play well now. But, the team is still now heavily dependent on Benzema. And Obviously, it is a great opportunity for PSG to win this match.

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Quote from: Distraction on February 02, 2022, 03:31:09 PM

After the PSG - Real Madrid matchup, the most remarkable matchup to me is Atletico Madrid - Manchester United certainly. Because this is also a matchup between close teams in terms of strength. Atletico Madrid seem to be an unpredictable team these days and Manchester United are also not much different than them actually. However, I still see Manchester United being one step ahead of their opponent now. Because there have been good signals for them as I really liked their performance in their last a few matches. If this goes on like this, Manchester United will be my favourite to eliminate Atletico Madrid.

The matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is definitely a promising one in terms of excitement and intensity. Atletico is doing not so well in the spanish liga at the moment as they are only on the 4th place now but the same is also true for Manchester United even though i have to say that the teams that are in front of Manchester in the Premier League are way stronger than the ones that are ahead of Atletico in the La Liga. That being said, Atletico has proven several times now, that they can be very dangerous to any team, especially in play-off games. They managed to beat FC Bayern for example 2 times in a row even though Bayern was the better team, so Atletico definitely know what to do in order to advance into the next round.

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