UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 630.

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Quote from: Woodie on September 30, 2021, 05:57:06 AM

Was really distracted with other results of the day and other players individual performances and just learnt of Barcelonas humiliating result which comes just a day after their counterparts Real Madrid were stunned with a shocking result. What's really happening in LA liga?? Most Spanish teams have failed to perform in the champions league....Atletico Madrid had to dig deep to turn this around but now teams like Barca failing to even get a goal...who would have seen this coming?? If we continue on this path expect coaches to be sacked in the near future. Not a Barca fan but it's now worrying with the results these guys bring forth.

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La liga became weak after many players left especially real madrid and barcelona players and it seems that the big three level has became similar to teams like villareal and valencia mainly because money problems they turned to young players with no experience thats why its gonna take a while to see laliga teams at top again.

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Given the fact that there is still a match in Munich ahead (where the next major defeat is likely to be), Barcelona should not lose a point in matches with Dynamo and hope for a rematch at home, otherwise it has very real chances to end the performance already at this stage. But in fact, it is not entirely clear what the point is to advance to the next round, where a strong opponent is guaranteed.

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I don't think any of us expecting such shock result. Barcelona can lose but 0 - 3 is a shock result. I don't feel any strange or surprise if Barcelona lose matches with their squad. They are becoming another Arsenal and I think Messi can feel happy now in PSG. He would have not been able to do anything now, if he had stayed in Barcelona.

I think the problem is not just the lack of Messi. Barcelona, with time, started to settle for the victories and stopped evolving. Now it is in a new phase of restructuring, but it seems that things are still not going as expected.

I think Barcelona was one of the teams most that were most affected by the impact of the Covid pandemic. They already were in financial trouble before and the lack of income through ticket sales seemed to have completely broke the camels back there in financial regards. Now they had to let Messi go (Messi is also the reason for this financial trouble though as he got 500M+€ in just for years, which is just ridiculous) and now they are playing with a lot of very young players. So it is no wonder, that Barcelona can not keep up with the good european teams at the moment and i also think that i will take a long time to reach the old level again.

Before pandemic Barcelona faced financial crisis effect because they pay much salary player exactly with Messi, now without Messi Barcelona still faced the same problem and many player reduce salary more than 20% like Pique and Alba. I think many problem faced by last president of Barcelona where many player buy with higher price and have many clause for the future by paying bonus like Countiho if play for several match later Barcelona should pay more bonus for Liverpool. I think Barcelona need to fix their financial and transfer player system.

If that's the case then it's not surprising because Barcelona is currently in a critical period, but Barcelona itself is still quite safe in La Liga, only to compete in the UCL is a tough job. I'm not sure Barcelona will go further in the UCL this season and maybe will only get points against Kyiv which is a shame indeed, but Barcelona should focus more on La Liga to be able to still get a ticket to the UCL next season by improving its management.

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Was really distracted with other results of the day and other players individual performances and just learnt of Barcelonas humiliating result which comes just a day after their counterparts Real Madrid were stunned with a shocking result. What's really happening in LA liga?? Most Spanish teams have failed to perform in the champions league....Atletico Madrid had to dig deep to turn this around but now teams like Barca failing to even get a goal...who would have seen this coming?? If we continue on this path expect coaches to be sacked in the near future. Not a Barca fan but it's now worrying with the results these guys bring forth.

Benfica 3-0 Barcelona

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Chelsea tried everything they could but still there was no goal from them. Juventus managed to score with Chiesa and Bernardeschi made the assist. To be honest, I can't say that it was a really deserved win for Juventus. Chelsea could have scored even a few goals but they were very bad at scoring. One shot on target out of 13 shots is a very bad statistics.

I started getting unease with Chelsea performance from the Aston villa match. Their first 45min has been lackluster. How can u be playing casual football in the opposition half with no sense of urgency to score. Totally unacceptable. I won't be watching their nonsense again till they start winning. How will you only think of utilizing the left flank when the right wing is free. Chelsea's major problem now is the lack of creativity in the final third of the pitch and sloppy, avoidable mistakes especially passing in midfield. Our Midfielders are lacking the drive to push forward and create panic amongst defenses. Thomas Tuchel has several problems to solve, now this is the defeats in the space of less than a week.

They should solve the current problems as soon as possible indeed. They really struggle to score for two matches. But they were not this bad at offense before the match against Manchester City. Something interesting is going on with them. We saw Lukaku in the starting eleven also and he was their biggest chance to score. But even he didn't score too.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on September 30, 2021, 05:46:16 AM

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I don't think any of us expecting such shock result. Barcelona can lose but 0 - 3 is a shock result. I don't feel any strange or surprise if Barcelona lose matches with their squad. They are becoming another Arsenal and I think Messi can feel happy now in PSG. He would have not been able to do anything now, if he had stayed in Barcelona.

I think the problem is not just the lack of Messi. Barcelona, with time, started to settle for the victories and stopped evolving. Now it is in a new phase of restructuring, but it seems that things are still not going as expected.

I think Barcelona was one of the teams most that were most affected by the impact of the Covid pandemic. They already were in financial trouble before and the lack of income through ticket sales seemed to have completely broke the camels back there in financial regards. Now they had to let Messi go (Messi is also the reason for this financial trouble though as he got 500M+€ in just for years, which is just ridiculous) and now they are playing with a lot of very young players. So it is no wonder, that Barcelona can not keep up with the good european teams at the moment and i also think that i will take a long time to reach the old level again.

Before pandemic Barcelona faced financial crisis effect because they pay much salary player exactly with Messi, now without Messi Barcelona still faced the same problem and many player reduce salary more than 20% like Pique and Alba. I think many problem faced by last president of Barcelona where many player buy with higher price and have many clause for the future by paying bonus like Countiho if play for several match later Barcelona should pay more bonus for Liverpool. I think Barcelona need to fix their financial and transfer player system.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 30, 2021, 02:47:48 AM

Quote from: OcTradism on September 30, 2021, 02:27:44 AM

I don't think any of us expecting such shock result. Barcelona can lose but 0 - 3 is a shock result. I don't feel any strange or surprise if Barcelona lose matches with their squad. They are becoming another Arsenal and I think Messi can feel happy now in PSG. He would have not been able to do anything now, if he had stayed in Barcelona.

I think the problem is not just the lack of Messi. Barcelona, with time, started to settle for the victories and stopped evolving. Now it is in a new phase of restructuring, but it seems that things are still not going as expected.

I think Barcelona was one of the teams most that were most affected by the impact of the Covid pandemic. They already were in financial trouble before and the lack of income through ticket sales seemed to have completely broke the camels back there in financial regards. Now they had to let Messi go (Messi is also the reason for this financial trouble though as he got 500M+€ in just for years, which is just ridiculous) and now they are playing with a lot of very young players. So it is no wonder, that Barcelona can not keep up with the good european teams at the moment and i also think that i will take a long time to reach the old level again.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 29, 2021, 08:08:44 PM

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definitely not, Atletico is weak, Barcelona has a great chance of beating Atletico

I agree with you, Barcelona are much stronger than Atletico
I think he has a lot of chances to beat this team
if we look at the bookmakers, surely the rate will have this as an index

in the end it is the parameter (the bookmakers) that helps us to understand

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That goals was an assist from lingard right? Lingard should be given more credit because he did brilliantly by just touching the ball back to Ronaldo then shifted from the way so Ronaldo can have the short.

Hate to admit this but Lingard has been so much better ever since Ronaldo is back on the team. He has scored some crucial goals and even made that pass back to Ronaldo. I gotta admit that it was somehow seems pretty lucky for United to had that moment and managed to score, It was also a very crucial 3 points to ensure that the team still has a decent chance to get to the next stage

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They had all the chances to score but did not score, when you miss such chances you are giving your opponents an opportunity to comeback which Manchester united are expects at.

I guess its never really ends until the final whistle is blown whenever Ronaldo is playing on the field huh

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Quote from: Spack17 on September 29, 2021, 05:24:51 PM

Chelsea tried everything they could but still there was no goal from them. Juventus managed to score with Chiesa and Bernardeschi made the assist. To be honest, I can't say that it was a really deserved win for Juventus. Chelsea could have scored even a few goals but they were very bad at scoring. One shot on target out of 13 shots is a very bad statistics.

I started getting unease with Chelsea performance from the Aston villa match. Their first 45min has been lackluster. How can u be playing casual football in the opposition half with no sense of urgency to score. Totally unacceptable. I won't be watching their nonsense again till they start winning. How will you only think of utilizing the left flank when the right wing is free. Chelsea's major problem now is the lack of creativity in the final third of the pitch and sloppy, avoidable mistakes especially passing in midfield. Our Midfielders are lacking the drive to push forward and create panic amongst defenses. Thomas Tuchel has several problems to solve, now this is the defeats in the space of less than a week.

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The most surprising result for me was Chelsea's being defeated by Juventus with a 1-0 result. I was surprised because Chelsea performed really good in the first and second half both. But they couldn't manage to score out of 13 shots. And they had only one shot on target. This is not the Chelsea that I want to see. They should be better at scoring to win their CL matches.

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Quote from: Ebede on September 29, 2021, 10:18:11 PM

Big Ups to Cristiano Ronaldo, always there to make delivery for Manchester United.
Ole Gunner Solskjaer needs to get trained tactically.
Great come back, come back Kings.

Indeed,benfica show strength over Barcelona in this game, putting three past them, loading more pressure on the shoulders of koeman,all road leads to a tough time between one of their bitter rivals Athletico Madrid.

Yes,,, that guy is so good he just needs to be in the team and you can almost guarantee a goal, if not a lot of chances. The thing about him is he can convert even half chance to goals, and if you have suppliers like Pogba and Fernandes in the team as first choices,,, you just need to keep playing them. Problem is their defence I think, they cannot keep coming back every time.

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Quote from: OcTradism on September 30, 2021, 02:27:44 AM

I don't think any of us expecting such shock result. Barcelona can lose but 0 - 3 is a shock result. I don't feel any strange or surprise if Barcelona lose matches with their squad. They are becoming another Arsenal and I think Messi can feel happy now in PSG. He would have not been able to do anything now, if he had stayed in Barcelona.

Since the departure of Messi, Barca is a whole different team and it seems that all are full of stress and anxiety to prove that they can deliver without him. This needs time but Barca is a team that can't wait. Hopefully, they will correct soon one of their mistakes (hire another manager) and from there will have to find a way to unstress the team and realize that will need time to rebuild and forget Messi.

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Damn, of the many opportunities Chelsea created but none of them scored...

juventus leads group H. btw juventus is very lucky not to be humiliated by chelsea at home.

Luck is not the only aspect that make them win, but they also played well with strategy. All players played as what they should do, minimize mistakes and maximize counter attack. I have to say good job for Allegri with his strategy although he lost some important players (Dybala and Morata) but he could do his job well.

Yes, after all, Juventus is also not a mediocre team so this victory is proof that Allegri is able to return the form of Juventus' game to the way it should be. Instead of being surprised by the Juventus result, I think the more surprising result came from Barcelona, maybe if only losing by one or two goals is still acceptable but Barcelona actually lost by the same score as against Bayern Munich in the first match.

Juve won because first of all they played perfectly in defense, I think they made only 1 mistake in the whole game, when Lukaku almost scored a goal near the end of the game.
They were also good in attack, and they should have scored a goal in the first half of the game.
As for Barcelona, it is obvious that they are in a big crisis and it is easily possible that they will drop out of the Champions League competition already in the group stage.

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Well done to Benfica but Barcelona is in a total crisis now compared to what they used to be when they could afford to have Messi in their starting eleven.Now the attack power of Barcelona is not the same and this can be seen in their overall results,they are drawing a lot of games even in their national La Liga competition which is something new and was not like that when they had Messi.The more time passes the more it will be emphasized in Barcelona gameplay.

Maybe this will be their worst season in UCL, strangely their striker was not able to score even a single goal in 2 matches in this group stage. More pressure on Koeman right now.
Could they quickly recover from this defeat? because in league they will also have an important game against Atletico.

a quite painful defeat for barcelona this season in the champions league, with this defeat, barcelona automatically makes barcelona not have any points at all in the Champions League this season, after previously they also had to lose against Bayern Munich in the opening match, in my opinion, the barcelona game During the coaching Koeman really experienced a slump and it looks like a change of coach will be the solution to improve Barcelona's current situation.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 30, 2021, 03:13:52 AM

Well done to Benfica but Barcelona is in a total crisis now compared to what they used to be when they could afford to have Messi in their starting eleven.Now the attack power of Barcelona is not the same and this can be seen in their overall results,they are drawing a lot of games even in their national La Liga competition which is something new and was not like that when they had Messi.The more time passes the more it will be emphasized in Barcelona gameplay.

barcelona's problem is only in the coach, if they had a good coach who had barcelona's style of play, things would be different, let's look at the benfica coach pep guardiola has a style of play very similar to barcelona with, but the current coach of barcelona cannot recreate barcelona old style of play, barcelona management failed to choose a coach. I think that the Barcelona administration needs to hire a coach who has good results and that the style of the game is the same as the Spanish style of play, for that they have to hire a Spanish coach who has been with a team in the la liga for years and with a soccer style of barcelona and then they need to hire players with a Spanish style of play, the mistake made by barcelona was that after that time in Carles Puyol out there started to hire players in all positions who had a different style of play and this ended up creating a lack of identity of the The way they play I think Messi must have realized this and decided to leave because the club direction doesn't seem to understand the seriousness of it.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 30, 2021, 03:13:52 AM

Well done to Benfica but Barcelona is in a total crisis now compared to what they used to be when they could afford to have Messi in their starting eleven.Now the attack power of Barcelona is not the same and this can be seen in their overall results,they are drawing a lot of games even in their national La Liga competition which is something new and was not like that when they had Messi.The more time passes the more it will be emphasized in Barcelona gameplay.

Maybe this will be their worst season in UCL, strangely their striker was not able to score even a single goal in 2 matches in this group stage. More pressure on Koeman right now.
Could they quickly recover from this defeat? because in league they will also have an important game against Atletico.

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The Spanish teams are performing rather poorly. Perhaps over time they will get in shape and be able to show a decent game. After two rounds of the group stage, I still have one favorite - Bavaria. Besides her, I would mention Chelsea and Manchester City. Even despite the defeat in the last round, the strength of the teams is great.

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Well done to Benfica but Barcelona is in a total crisis now compared to what they used to be when they could afford to have Messi in their starting eleven.Now the attack power of Barcelona is not the same and this can be seen in their overall results,they are drawing a lot of games even in their national La Liga competition which is something new and was not like that when they had Messi.The more time passes the more it will be emphasized in Barcelona gameplay.

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What a great job Benfica did! In general, they are looking very good this season!A convincing win over Barca says a lot, although Barcelona are not having the best of times... I wish they could beat Bayern in their next league match... True, Bayern also showed great football yesterday!
I was also pleased with Manchester, it was an evenly matched game, but the star boy showed that he hasn't forgotten how to play football! Grin

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