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Quote from: MusaMohamed on September 27, 2021, 11:29:03 AM

Quote from: casperBGD on September 27, 2021, 10:15:05 AM

Dortmund and Sporting will fight for second spot in this group, IMO, Ajax is really great this season, will be interesting to see their clash with Dortmund in next rounds

I could be wrong but I fail to see how Ajax is stronger than Dortmund.

They are not. Grin

Dortmund is the best team in this group, they will finish first, Beşiktaş second and Ajax third under normal circumstances. But Beşiktaş have 12 players missing so Ajax will probably win the game. Beşiktaş couldn't even find any players in their usual positions, only goalkeepers are healthy. You will see left back as central defender, left back as left winger, central midfielder as central defender etc. It will be total chaos unfortunately. Ajax is lucky that Beşiktaş don't have Pjanic, Teixeira, Ghezzal, Larin, N'koudou, Vida, Wellinton, Montero, Atiba... This didn't happen to any team in whole football history.

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Milan vs Atletico Madrid should be a really tough game for both of these teams. Considering the recent performances, Milan seem as one step ahead of their competitor. But Atletico Madrid are a really tough opponent to beat in this tournament. But they lost their last La Liga game which was against an easy game against Alaves. Because of that, maybe they can have some difficulty in fighting back against Milan. As Milan are in a great shape, I see them being closer to a win with a 1-goal difference.

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Quote from: casperBGD on September 27, 2021, 10:15:05 AM

Ajax will be on top of my tickets tomorrow, with H-2, H-3, since to win odds are too low
they are in top form, scoring as easy as it could be, and three goals in Besitkas net should not come to question, it is eventually up to Besiktas to score or not

Dortmund and Sporting will fight for second spot in this group, IMO, Ajax is really great this season, will be interesting to see their clash with Dortmund in next rounds

I could be wrong but I fail to see how Ajax is stronger than Dortmund. These teams are strong and in same level. I think Ajax and Dortmund have better quality than Besiktas. Besiktas will cause troubles to Ajax and Dortmund but I don't believe that they will be able to beat either Ajax or Dortmund in this group.

Ajax and Dortmund will go next but what team will end with the first position, I don't know to be honest.

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Quote from: Luzin on September 27, 2021, 09:55:20 AM

Matchday 2 Schedule

Thursday 30 September 2021
Bayern Munchen vs Dynamo Kyiv
Benfica vs Barcelona
Manchester United vs Villareal
Wolfsbrug vs Sevilla
Salzbrug vs Lille
Juventus vs Chelsea

Source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/fixtures-results/#/md/34322

Why is there Thursday matches in Champions League? Did I miss something? It used to be Tuesday and Wednesday only, we watch Europa League in Thursday. Is it designed specifically for this week?
There are great games this week, I'll watch Ajax and Beşiktaş match Tuesday, PSG and City Wednesday, Juve and Chelsea Thursday. Maybe 3 days for Champions League is better for TV coverage. But the problem is there is no room for Europa League and Conference League then.

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Quote from: Luzin on September 27, 2021, 09:55:20 AM

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Tuesday 28 September 2021
Ajax vs Besiktas

Ajax will be on top of my tickets tomorrow, with H-2, H-3, since to win odds are too low
they are in top form, scoring as easy as it could be, and three goals in Besitkas net should not come to question, it is eventually up to Besiktas to score or not

Dortmund and Sporting will fight for second spot in this group, IMO, Ajax is really great this season, will be interesting to see their clash with Dortmund in next rounds

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Quote from: Tumanggor on September 27, 2021, 09:59:39 AM

I have a hard time predicting what will happen in this match because the three core ATM players will play (Felix, Koke and Lemar) while Milan still can't play Ibrahimovich

In Serie A, Milan was still able to hold Juventus to a draw even they played without Ibrahimovic. I am sure when Milan meets Atletico, they can show a game that makes it difficult for Atletico, playing at home and the results of the last 5 matches in Serie A will improve AC Milan's mentality. However, for Atletico, it is likely to be difficult, especially since they are also under their best performance in La Liga.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 25, 2021, 04:21:45 PM

In three days, Milan are going to be having a home match against Atletico Madrid. Zlatan has an achilles tendon injury and his return date is not known. But Milan are doing just fine without him too. Atletico Madrid are having a bad period lately and they can have a big difficulty against an in-form Milan here. These two haven't played against each other since 2014. According to the odds, Atletico Madrid are favoured by a little gap. But I don't think that Milan will lose this match.

I have a hard time predicting what will happen in this match because the three core ATM players will play (Felix, Koke and Lemar) while Milan still can't play Ibrahimovich

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 26, 2021, 01:58:42 PM

Chelsea and Manchester United both lost in the EPL. They lost 1-0. I don't think they have lost for the UCL game. They play with the best players. Indeed Chelsea against Man City and Manchester United against Aston Villa which I actually think they can win.
Maybe I will still choose Chelsea and Manchester United to win. The hashtag #oleout has also gone viral on Twitter. I think the game will be decisive for Ole.

Despite these results, and also thinking they could win, I think the Champions League game is always different.
Furthermore, the beauty of the EPL is the fact that practically all teams manage to face those considered bigger. That's why we always have 5 or 6 candidates to win.

this is what I like about the England club team they are full of surprises and very strong when compared to teams from other leagues. the possibility is very big for Chelsea and MU to win easily

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Matchday 2 Schedule

Tuesday 28 September 2021
Ajax vs Besiktas
Shakhtar Donestk vs Inter

Wednesday 29 September 2021
PSG vs Man City
Leipzig vs Club Brugge
Porto vs Liverpol
Milan vs Atletico Madrid
Dortmund vs Sporting CP
Real Madrid vs Sheriff
Atalanta vs Young Boys
Zenit vs Malmo

Thursday 30 September 2021
Bayern Munchen vs Dynamo Kyiv
Benfica vs Barcelona
Manchester United vs Villareal
Wolfsbrug vs Sevilla
Salzbrug vs Lille
Juventus vs Chelsea

Source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/fixtures-results/#/md/34322

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The new match week is going to start with Ajax - Besiktas and Shakhtar - Inter games.

Ajax are highly favoured against Besiktas in their home game. As you can remember easily, Ajax just completely destroyed Sporting in an away game by 5-1. On the other hand Besiktas were beaten by Dortmund by 2-1. I expect Ajax to play very dominant against Besiktas and beat them also. But this time, there might not be a that high goal difference at the end.

Inter are the favourite team in their away game against Shakhtar. Inter are in a very great shape in the Serie A. But they lost to Real Madrid here by 1-0. They would like to beat Shakhtar and get their first win. Shakhtar were beaten by Sheriff by 2-0 in their first group game. I don't think that they have much chance against Inter in this one.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 26, 2021, 06:40:02 AM

Neymar only had problems with Cavani who left the club two seasons ago.

Neymar and Mbappe have good time with each other in PSG but Mbappe does no longer feel happy in PSG. In the summer, he really wanted to leave. Some said he does not want to play under the domination of Messi but only Mbappe knows it is true or not.

The fact with real matches is Mbappe still contributed good matches for PSG. He has more contributions for PSG so far in this season, more than Neymar or Messi. I think the injury will give Messi more time to adapt to a new club. I think with his outstanding level, Messi won't get troubles in PSG.

So far, everything is going in such a way that Mbappe looks the most useful in the attack line for me, but Messi cannot reveal himself in this club. In Barcelona, everyone played on the Messi, he was the central player there, but in PSG everyone wants to show that they deserves a place in the squad and, perhaps, in conditions of great competition, Messi cannot reveal himself as a player. By the way, I think the acquisition of Ramos is also not the best for PSG, I get the impression that most of the time he is constantly injured. He is no longer young and it may be a permanent phenomenon, something like that I see with Ibrahimovic in Milan.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 25, 2021, 04:09:43 PM

Quote from: Raflesia on September 25, 2021, 02:54:49 PM

Quote from: KingsDen on September 24, 2021, 08:03:13 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 10:26:00 AM

For me PSG is a money bag and nothing more, I would not compare this team with Inter or Milan. PSG is more like City but in bad shape right now. Maybe if Mbappé thinks more about the game and not about the transition to Real, Neymar is more to play than to pretend and Messi somehow integrates into the team PSG will represent a strong contender for victory in the Champions League.

It's sad these three fishes are finding it difficult to arrive at a consensus. Could Mbape be the problem or the coach? I am asking because Neymar has played alongside Messi in Barcelona and the duo were incredible. It will be a shame if these three cannot atleast take PSG to UCL finals.

However, PSG against City is going in favour of City due to the unstable nature of PSG attack.

When PSG players still haven't found the same differences to combine in their game, there is always a hindrance from one of the players, but indeed there are those who say that Mbappe is still selfish but this is not necessarily and maybe Messi is still adapting.

Hearing the news that PSG's UCL match will be without Messi I wonder if they can beat Manchester City or will it be very difficult without Messi?
I'm still confused about PSG with so many options but when playing in the UCL it's like it's very difficult to win.

Since Messi is still relatively new to the team and it has not developed the necessary chemistry with the rest of his teammates I think there is the possibility the PSG plays even better without Messi on the field as they can just go back to what they were doing before Messi went there, obviously it is a problem not having someone with the skills and the experience of Messi on the field, but during these particular circumstances there is the possibility this could increase slightly their chances of winning.

very well said, maybe the coach felt like that too and substituted Messi in the league, he's injured now this will make it even harder for him to merge with the team at least in practice sessions, I think it will be a hard year for Messi but eventually after some time he can find himself getting used to the play style of PSG, to be honest I am not expecting a lot from them in CL this year.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 26, 2021, 08:00:13 AM

Juventus - Chelsea is one of the nice games of the week seemingly. In my opinion, Chelsea are the favourite team in this game. Juventus have been struggling in general recently. They can barely win against even the weakest teams of the Serie A. And I don't think that there will be too much changing in this tough game against Chelsea. Maybe Chelsea lost to Manchester City by 1-0 last but I don't expect them to lose their game discipline here. They will be very eager to defeat Juventus even if they are going to play away. Therefore, I'm expecting Chelsea to win this game by at least one goal.

Taking into account that Dybala and Morata are injured and will miss the match with Chelsea, it can be assumed that Chelsea will at least play a clean draw. As I see from the odds, the bookmakers strongly doubt that Juventus will play at least a draw:
4,10 - 3,55 - 1,95
I wonder if the bookmakers will adjust the odds or is it already adjusted? Has anyone followed the history of odds changes in this pair?

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 26, 2021, 01:58:42 PM

Chelsea and Manchester United both lost in the EPL. They lost 1-0. I don't think they have lost for the UCL game. They play with the best players. Indeed Chelsea against Man City and Manchester United against Aston Villa which I actually think they can win.
Maybe I will still choose Chelsea and Manchester United to win. The hashtag #oleout has also gone viral on Twitter. I think the game will be decisive for Ole.

Despite these results, and also thinking they could win, I think the Champions League game is always different.
Furthermore, the beauty of the EPL is the fact that practically all teams manage to face those considered bigger. That's why we always have 5 or 6 candidates to win.

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Quote from: Raflesia on September 23, 2021, 03:28:17 PM

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In other games I'm pretty sure Chelsea can beat Juventus.
Manchester United is also capable of overthrowing Villareal. I'm sure if there is Ronaldo, Manchester United will have a good improvement.

Chelsea and Manchester United both lost in the EPL. They lost 1-0. I don't think they have lost for the UCL game. They play with the best players. Indeed Chelsea against Man City and Manchester United against Aston Villa which I actually think they can win.
Maybe I will still choose Chelsea and Manchester United to win. The hashtag #oleout has also gone viral on Twitter. I think the game will be decisive for Ole.

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Juventus - Chelsea is one of the nice games of the week seemingly. In my opinion, Chelsea are the favourite team in this game. Juventus have been struggling in general recently. They can barely win against even the weakest teams of the Serie A. And I don't think that there will be too much changing in this tough game against Chelsea. Maybe Chelsea lost to Manchester City by 1-0 last but I don't expect them to lose their game discipline here. They will be very eager to defeat Juventus even if they are going to play away. Therefore, I'm expecting Chelsea to win this game by at least one goal.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 26, 2021, 06:40:02 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 25, 2021, 05:34:16 PM

Interestingly, you are not even considering the possibility that Messi himself could be the problem Cheesy

I have not heard about any problems between Mbappe and Neymar, although in fact these are the players who claim to become great in the coming years. I don't think it's possible to blame the coach at all - he has responsibility for the whole team and the results, so his decisions should be carried out without scandals.

Neymar only had problems with Cavani who left the club two seasons ago.

Neymar and Mbappe have good time with each other in PSG but Mbappe does no longer feel happy in PSG. In the summer, he really wanted to leave. Some said he does not want to play under the domination of Messi but only Mbappe knows it is true or not.

The fact with real matches is Mbappe still contributed good matches for PSG. He has more contributions for PSG so far in this season, more than Neymar or Messi. I think the injury will give Messi more time to adapt to a new club. I think with his outstanding level, Messi won't get troubles in PSG.

It seems to me that Mbappe is a conflict-free player and the main reason for his transition is that he has already "outgrown" PSG, he needs to move into a serious championship and a great club in order to leave a milestone in history about himself. As for Neymar and Messi, then probably the tension between them will not be so acute because, unlike the situation with the transition to Barcelona, he has already proved everything to everyone and he is unlikely to feel in the shadow of Messi, rather the opposite.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on September 26, 2021, 06:43:56 AM

Quote from: hd49728 on September 26, 2021, 06:40:02 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 25, 2021, 05:34:16 PM

Interestingly, you are not even considering the possibility that Messi himself could be the problem Cheesy

I have not heard about any problems between Mbappe and Neymar, although in fact these are the players who claim to become great in the coming years. I don't think it's possible to blame the coach at all - he has responsibility for the whole team and the results, so his decisions should be carried out without scandals.

Neymar only had problems with Cavani who left the club two seasons ago.

Neymar and Mbappe have good time with each other in PSG but Mbappe does no longer feel happy in PSG. In the summer, he really wanted to leave. Some said he does not want to play under the domination of Messi but only Mbappe knows it is true or not.

The fact with real matches is Mbappe still contributed good matches for PSG. He has more contributions for PSG so far in this season, more than Neymar or Messi. I think the injury will give Messi more time to adapt to a new club. I think with his outstanding level, Messi won't get troubles in PSG.

Mbappe is still performing great even though he wants to leave the team as soon as possible. Yeah, he wanted to leave the team in the last transfer window but PSG resisted Real Madrid's offers and the transfer didn't come true. But he will be available as a free agent this January and I guess that Real Madrid will make a contract offer to him and finish the deal this time.

I think that nothing has been decided yet in this case and that all options are still open, from Mbappe staying at PSG, to going to Real but Manchester City is also interested.
The owners of PSG have decided to gamble this season, keep the 3 best footballers of today together, Mbappe, Messi and Neymar, and finally win the ultimate prize - the European Champions League.
After that, they certainly hope that Mbappe will change his mind and stay in Paris.
The problem with this type of gambling is that the ball can fall on the wrong number and you can run out of everything, players, money and trophies.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 26, 2021, 06:40:02 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 25, 2021, 05:34:16 PM

Interestingly, you are not even considering the possibility that Messi himself could be the problem Cheesy

I have not heard about any problems between Mbappe and Neymar, although in fact these are the players who claim to become great in the coming years. I don't think it's possible to blame the coach at all - he has responsibility for the whole team and the results, so his decisions should be carried out without scandals.

Neymar only had problems with Cavani who left the club two seasons ago.

Neymar and Mbappe have good time with each other in PSG but Mbappe does no longer feel happy in PSG. In the summer, he really wanted to leave. Some said he does not want to play under the domination of Messi but only Mbappe knows it is true or not.

The fact with real matches is Mbappe still contributed good matches for PSG. He has more contributions for PSG so far in this season, more than Neymar or Messi. I think the injury will give Messi more time to adapt to a new club. I think with his outstanding level, Messi won't get troubles in PSG.

Mbappe is still performing great even though he wants to leave the team as soon as possible. Yeah, he wanted to leave the team in the last transfer window but PSG resisted Real Madrid's offers and the transfer didn't come true. But he will be available as a free agent this January and I guess that Real Madrid will make a contract offer to him and finish the deal this time.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 25, 2021, 05:34:16 PM

Interestingly, you are not even considering the possibility that Messi himself could be the problem Cheesy

I have not heard about any problems between Mbappe and Neymar, although in fact these are the players who claim to become great in the coming years. I don't think it's possible to blame the coach at all - he has responsibility for the whole team and the results, so his decisions should be carried out without scandals.

Neymar only had problems with Cavani who left the club two seasons ago.

Neymar and Mbappe have good time with each other in PSG but Mbappe does no longer feel happy in PSG. In the summer, he really wanted to leave. Some said he does not want to play under the domination of Messi but only Mbappe knows it is true or not.

The fact with real matches is Mbappe still contributed good matches for PSG. He has more contributions for PSG so far in this season, more than Neymar or Messi. I think the injury will give Messi more time to adapt to a new club. I think with his outstanding level, Messi won't get troubles in PSG.

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Quote from: KingsDen on September 24, 2021, 08:03:13 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 10:26:00 AM

For me PSG is a money bag and nothing more, I would not compare this team with Inter or Milan. PSG is more like City but in bad shape right now. Maybe if Mbappé thinks more about the game and not about the transition to Real, Neymar is more to play than to pretend and Messi somehow integrates into the team PSG will represent a strong contender for victory in the Champions League.

It's sad these three fishes are finding it difficult to arrive at a consensus. Could Mbape be the problem or the coach? I am asking because Neymar has played alongside Messi in Barcelona and the duo were incredible. It will be a shame if these three cannot atleast take PSG to UCL finals.

However, PSG against City is going in favour of City due to the unstable nature of PSG attack.

Interestingly, you are not even considering the possibility that Messi himself could be the problem Cheesy

I have not heard about any problems between Mbappe and Neymar, although in fact these are the players who claim to become great in the coming years. I don't think it's possible to blame the coach at all - he has responsibility for the whole team and the results, so his decisions should be carried out without scandals.

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