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Quote from: masulum on September 23, 2021, 10:15:42 AM

I think against City it will make a difference for PSG compared to the first game. PSG players will concentrate more on winning this match. PSG's failure in the first match, could be because the players underestimated their opponents. Of course it will be different when dealing with big teams, players will be more excited to compete and focus to win from the start. but if they are lose, and Club Brugge win over Leipzig, they are still can be strong candidate for qualified club to the next phase.

From the line-up we can see that neither the coach nor the players underestimated Club Brugge in the first game yesterday. PSG played their best players and played with great concentration. I watched the match and I think Brugge managed to keep up with PSG because they played quite well and also with a lot of pressure. Nobody underestimates Brugge if we judge by the players the coach has played. PSG just unlucky to create chances into goals. In that match I also saw that Messi had not blended in with other players at PSG so his performance was not optimal.

Obviously without Messi vs Manchester City will not make PSG's attack weak, they have Neymar, Mbappe and Icardi and other players. I don't think they will lose the motivation to win. This will be a highly anticipated match because both team need a win to open the chance to qualify for the next round.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 10:26:00 AM

Maybe if Mbappé thinks more about the game and not about the transition to Real, Neymar is more to play than to pretend and Messi somehow integrates into the team PSG [...]

A very insightful thought, in fact, this is all there is to know about the current state of PSG.

I also think that their unbeaten streak in the league itself is a mockery, since judging by the ratio of the budget, Pochettino wipes his ass with a set of fair-play rules. But that's not all ... since judging by the news, the players are completely overwhelmed by star fever, Messi using sign language told the head coach "fuck you" and Mpabe immediately after the victory over Metz sent the goalkeeper to fuck. Undecided

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 10:26:00 AM

Quote from: babo on September 23, 2021, 09:47:12 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 08:57:47 AM

The teams approach this match in different situations - City has 3 points, and PSG have two lost in the match with an outsider. Therefore, the defeat for PSG will be very alarming, so they will play almost at the limit. But will City tense up? Even if they lose, they still have a home game against PSG and potentially better results against the other two teams. Therefore, if we assume that City is much stronger than PSG now, but will not play to the limit of their capabilities, and PSG will be, then PSG may draw or win.

PSG is a somewhat particular team
let's say, if you want, it's a bit like Inter Milan

rich in talents, little amalgamated with each other

the problem is that they can play crap or if they are inspired to become a tank

For me PSG is a money bag and nothing more, I would not compare this team with Inter or Milan. PSG is more like City but in bad shape right now. Maybe if Mbappé thinks more about the game and not about the transition to Real, Neymar is more to play than to pretend and Messi somehow integrates into the team PSG will represent a strong contender for victory in the Champions League.

PSG are really having a tough time lately. I'm aware of their winning all of their league matches so far. But this doesn't prove anything yet. By the way, they struggled a lot in their last two league matches. And they had a big difficulty against C. Brugge in the CL also. Messi needs time to start playing better. In the match against City, I think that they won't be able to win but both teams will score.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 10:26:00 AM

Quote from: babo on September 23, 2021, 09:47:12 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 08:57:47 AM

The teams approach this match in different situations - City has 3 points, and PSG have two lost in the match with an outsider. Therefore, the defeat for PSG will be very alarming, so they will play almost at the limit. But will City tense up? Even if they lose, they still have a home game against PSG and potentially better results against the other two teams. Therefore, if we assume that City is much stronger than PSG now, but will not play to the limit of their capabilities, and PSG will be, then PSG may draw or win.

PSG is a somewhat particular team
let's say, if you want, it's a bit like Inter Milan

rich in talents, little amalgamated with each other

the problem is that they can play crap or if they are inspired to become a tank

For me PSG is a money bag and nothing more, I would not compare this team with Inter or Milan. PSG is more like City but in bad shape right now. Maybe if Mbappé thinks more about the game and not about the transition to Real, Neymar is more to play than to pretend and Messi somehow integrates into the team PSG will represent a strong contender for victory in the Champions League.

Messi needs more time to get used to the new team and the way of playing. It will take a couple of months if not more. Last year, and in Barcelona, Messi took several months to get in optimal shape and start showing the game that is expected of him. Mbappe is already thinking in Madrid, and you shouldn't expect an enchanting game from him this season.

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Quote from: babo on September 23, 2021, 09:47:12 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 08:57:47 AM

The teams approach this match in different situations - City has 3 points, and PSG have two lost in the match with an outsider. Therefore, the defeat for PSG will be very alarming, so they will play almost at the limit. But will City tense up? Even if they lose, they still have a home game against PSG and potentially better results against the other two teams. Therefore, if we assume that City is much stronger than PSG now, but will not play to the limit of their capabilities, and PSG will be, then PSG may draw or win.

PSG is a somewhat particular team
let's say, if you want, it's a bit like Inter Milan

rich in talents, little amalgamated with each other

the problem is that they can play crap or if they are inspired to become a tank

For me PSG is a money bag and nothing more, I would not compare this team with Inter or Milan. PSG is more like City but in bad shape right now. Maybe if Mbappé thinks more about the game and not about the transition to Real, Neymar is more to play than to pretend and Messi somehow integrates into the team PSG will represent a strong contender for victory in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 23, 2021, 05:48:04 AM

Also there’s a sad update that Messi is being reported injured and may not play against City, and it looks like City fans are having a fun day at his expense.

I think against City it will make a difference for PSG compared to the first game. PSG players will concentrate more on winning this match. PSG's failure in the first match, could be because the players underestimated their opponents. Of course it will be different when dealing with big teams, players will be more excited to compete and focus to win from the start. but if they are lose, and Club Brugge win over Leipzig, they are still can be strong candidate for qualified club to the next phase.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 23, 2021, 05:48:04 AM

@CLS63 Manchester City are not unstoppable as we saw last week when they drew against Southampton, and it’s clear that both the teams have strong squad but yet they’re equally weak too and thus this makes it an open contest.

Also there’s a sad update that Messi is being reported injured and may not play against City, and it looks like City fans are having a fun day at his expense.

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https://www.si.com/soccer/manchestercity/news/scared-of-dias-finished-player-plenty-of-man-city-fans-react-to-lionel-messi-injury-update-ahead-of-psg-clash

It is true that Manchester City can be beaten by PSG also. But both of these teams aren't in a very advantageous situation in this match. Both sides can get a win actually. But I feel like a draw might be the result of this match. But both sides should be able to score goals easily. And when it comes to Messi, he still hasn't adapted to the team so his absence won't matter too much for them I think. After he starts to play better, then he will be an important part of the team.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2021, 08:57:47 AM

Quote from: Yogee on September 22, 2021, 11:03:59 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2021, 04:55:31 AM

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but this is not an important match and it is unlikely that they will give their best at 100%. A draw here seems to me the most likely outcome.

It's still the Champions League and they are up against another top club but I can see the not 100% argument because of their tight schedule. They could be force to shuffle or balance the team to be fielded against Chelsea and PSG.

The teams approach this match in different situations - City has 3 points, and PSG have two lost in the match with an outsider. Therefore, the defeat for PSG will be very alarming, so they will play almost at the limit. But will City tense up? Even if they lose, they still have a home game against PSG and potentially better results against the other two teams. Therefore, if we assume that City is much stronger than PSG now, but will not play to the limit of their capabilities, and PSG will be, then PSG may draw or win.

PSG is a somewhat particular team
let's say, if you want, it's a bit like Inter Milan

rich in talents, little amalgamated with each other

the problem is that they can play crap or if they are inspired to become a tank

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Quote from: Yogee on September 22, 2021, 11:03:59 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2021, 04:55:31 AM

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but this is not an important match and it is unlikely that they will give their best at 100%. A draw here seems to me the most likely outcome.

It's still the Champions League and they are up against another top club but I can see the not 100% argument because of their tight schedule. They could be force to shuffle or balance the team to be fielded against Chelsea and PSG.

The teams approach this match in different situations - City has 3 points, and PSG have two lost in the match with an outsider. Therefore, the defeat for PSG will be very alarming, so they will play almost at the limit. But will City tense up? Even if they lose, they still have a home game against PSG and potentially better results against the other two teams. Therefore, if we assume that City is much stronger than PSG now, but will not play to the limit of their capabilities, and PSG will be, then PSG may draw or win.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 23, 2021, 05:14:58 AM

We have a great game next week which is PSG vs Manchester City.

I see that PSG are struggling to get wins lately. I know that they have won their first 7 games in the Ligue 1. But their last results are really interesting. They barely managed to win their last two games against Lyon and Metz for example. They won both of them with last minute goals. This is not very good for a team like PSG. And we know also that they drew with Club Brugge also in the Champions League in their first game. With or without Messi, there is an in-team problem and they need to get rid of it. Otherwise, I don't see their chance being really big against City here. City might not lose this game.

@CLS63 Manchester City are not unstoppable as we saw last week when they drew against Southampton, and it’s clear that both the teams have strong squad but yet they’re equally weak too and thus this makes it an open contest.

Also there’s a sad update that Messi is being reported injured and may not play against City, and it looks like City fans are having a fun day at his expense.

Source:

https://www.si.com/soccer/manchestercity/news/scared-of-dias-finished-player-plenty-of-man-city-fans-react-to-lionel-messi-injury-update-ahead-of-psg-clash

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We have a great game next week which is PSG vs Manchester City.

I see that PSG are struggling to get wins lately. I know that they have won their first 7 games in the Ligue 1. But their last results are really interesting. They barely managed to win their last two games against Lyon and Metz for example. They won both of them with last minute goals. This is not very good for a team like PSG. And we know also that they drew with Club Brugge also in the Champions League in their first game. With or without Messi, there is an in-team problem and they need to get rid of it. Otherwise, I don't see their chance being really big against City here. City might not lose this game.

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In the biggest game of the next week between PSG and Manchester City, I see Manchester City as one step ahead. Because I still see some problems at PSG. As Messi is still struggling, it affects the team badly. We still haven't seen the trio we want. City might benefit from their weakness and get an advantageous result I think.

Both teams still has some problems, PSG's problem is in how to maximize the trio Messi Mbappe Neymar and City's problem is on its defense.
City conceded 3 goals against Leipzig which was something unpredictable so if Pochettino is able to manage their star players with the best strategy, it can be something very dangerous for City.
City is a bit in difficult situation since they have to play against 2 big team in few days gap. on 25th, City will play against Chelsea and on 29th they will play against PSG.
Hard homework for Guardiola to manage the team as both matches are very important.

It seems to me that the home championship is not as important to City as the Champions League in this case! Probably in the match against Chelsea some players won't perform or play for a long time...

I think City will beat PSG too! All their stars don't matter if the team has no interaction!

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Quote from: Bilgent on September 20, 2021, 03:49:12 PM

We are one week away from the PSG - Manchester City game. This will also be a great game and the game of the week most probably. For now, it seems like PSG's great trio don't play the way we want. Because Messi is still making an effort to adapt to the game plan. After he starts playing like always, they can be unstoppable. But now, Manchester City are one step ahead I think. But I have no doubt that we will still watch a competitive game. I expect each team to score.

I think this is the game everyone wants to watch as a fan of soccer as the two teams are so good that we do not expect anything but the best from both teams, however the chemistry is still not there on the PSG, so this comes a little bit early and the match may not be as good as we thought, however those three are so amazing that even with below average chemistry they could always pull out some incredible play on their own and win the game that way.

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Quote from: hahay on September 22, 2021, 12:13:02 AM

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And one more thing, Manchester City is a big team with famous players and coaches, I was surprised by what @Yogee said about not having a big name. Shocked

"...they do not have the biggest names" is what I said and that's completely different from "not having a big name". They surely have recognizable players but not bigger than Messi or even Neymar. Name a player in Man City that's more popular than those two in global football if you still insist.

Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2021, 04:55:31 AM

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but this is not an important match and it is unlikely that they will give their best at 100%. A draw here seems to me the most likely outcome.

It's still the Champions League and they are up against another top club but I can see the not 100% argument because of their tight schedule. They could be force to shuffle or balance the team to be fielded against Chelsea and PSG.

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Quote from: ziyaaa on September 22, 2021, 08:47:29 AM

In the biggest game of the next week between PSG and Manchester City, I see Manchester City as one step ahead. Because I still see some problems at PSG. As Messi is still struggling, it affects the team badly. We still haven't seen the trio we want. City might benefit from their weakness and get an advantageous result I think.

Both teams still has some problems, PSG's problem is in how to maximize the trio Messi Mbappe Neymar and City's problem is on its defense.
City conceded 3 goals against Leipzig which was something unpredictable so if Pochettino is able to manage their star players with the best strategy, it can be something very dangerous for City.
City is a bit in difficult situation since they have to play against 2 big team in few days gap. on 25th, City will play against Chelsea and on 29th they will play against PSG.
Hard homework for Guardiola to manage the team as both matches are very important.

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Quote from: tyz on September 22, 2021, 08:27:31 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on September 22, 2021, 02:34:14 AM

If I consider the performance of the last few matches, I can see that the performance of Manchester City is much more stable than that of PSG. Manchester City scored 6 goals against Leipzig. PSG needs Ramos in this match. PSG's attack has not been very active in the last few matches. They can't attack too much. They must solve all the problems before playing against Manchester City. Otherwise, PSG will suffer a miserable defeat. This is Coach Guardiola's team. It cannot be considered weak.

If you leave out the previous European Cup games, the picture is a bit different. PSG has scored the maximum points in the league (6 games, 6 wins), while ManCity has won only three of five league games. A lot will depend on how PSG is positioned. If Neymar, Messi and Mbappe will start together again, then ManCity is my favorite. I still remain of the opinion that Neymar and Messi do not work together very well. Neither in the past at Barca, nor today at PSG.

But I believe if this trio of stars from PSG play together, of course this will be a concern for Pep Guardiola because there is no doubt that they will be solid in the match against Manchester city in the UCL preliminary round.

Of course, many doubt these three star players because their cooperation on the field is still not effective enough so for me Pochettino must be able to set the right position with a new strategy style.

But PSG's biggest target is the UCL, so players will be pressured to win as much as possible.

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Quote from: tyz on September 22, 2021, 08:27:31 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on September 22, 2021, 02:34:14 AM

If I consider the performance of the last few matches, I can see that the performance of Manchester City is much more stable than that of PSG. Manchester City scored 6 goals against Leipzig. PSG needs Ramos in this match. PSG's attack has not been very active in the last few matches. They can't attack too much. They must solve all the problems before playing against Manchester City. Otherwise, PSG will suffer a miserable defeat. This is Coach Guardiola's team. It cannot be considered weak.

If you leave out the previous European Cup games, the picture is a bit different. PSG has scored the maximum points in the league (6 games, 6 wins), while ManCity has won only three of five league games. A lot will depend on how PSG is positioned. If Neymar, Messi and Mbappe will start together again, then ManCity is my favorite. I still remain of the opinion that Neymar and Messi do not work together very well. Neither in the past at Barca, nor today at PSG.

Perhaps that's the issue for PSG but on the other hand, these three players should not be the problem since they are the best. The only issue IMO is that someone has to mark when PSG defending and none of them do it. Maybe Pochettino considers changing the formation a bit, he knows Man City very well...

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In the biggest game of the next week between PSG and Manchester City, I see Manchester City as one step ahead. Because I still see some problems at PSG. As Messi is still struggling, it affects the team badly. We still haven't seen the trio we want. City might benefit from their weakness and get an advantageous result I think.

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Quote from: minairia3 on September 22, 2021, 02:34:14 AM

If I consider the performance of the last few matches, I can see that the performance of Manchester City is much more stable than that of PSG. Manchester City scored 6 goals against Leipzig. PSG needs Ramos in this match. PSG's attack has not been very active in the last few matches. They can't attack too much. They must solve all the problems before playing against Manchester City. Otherwise, PSG will suffer a miserable defeat. This is Coach Guardiola's team. It cannot be considered weak.

If you leave out the previous European Cup games, the picture is a bit different. PSG has scored the maximum points in the league (6 games, 6 wins), while ManCity has won only three of five league games. A lot will depend on how PSG is positioned. If Neymar, Messi and Mbappe will start together again, then ManCity is my favorite. I still remain of the opinion that Neymar and Messi do not work together very well. Neither in the past at Barca, nor today at PSG.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2021, 04:55:31 AM

Quote from: Bilgent on September 21, 2021, 11:05:09 AM

I really don't understand what Messi was up to. I know that Guardiola didn't beg him for him to come to Manchester City. But I'm pretty sure that he would be very OK to see his old player at his new team. But Messi still didn't want to go there and chose the wrong way I think. Because Manchester City had the same game plan that Messi was already accustomed to. If he was at Manchester City now, he would adapt to the team very quickly and he would have a bigger chance to achieve the Champions League title too.

In the English championship, historically tougher wrestling and contact football, technical players without good physical data for wrestling suffer greatly here, so Messi did everything right, this championship is not for him.

It is true that you are saying. The English Premier League is a really tough one and it is not for every kind of player. However, Manchester City are not comprised of strong players all. We can give some examples like Raheem Sterling, Gabriel Jesus etc.. These are not very strong players in terms of physical. But they are strong in terms of talent and quickness. And a player like Messi would fit Manchester City a lot. Maybe he wouldn't be able to perform the same when it comes to one-to-ones. But with a decent passing game, he would do a great job.

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