UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 702.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 23, 2021, 02:51:23 AM

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As told you is not over yet for the superglue on the contrary.

If they will win the Superleague will probably start from 2022-2023 according to Vox populi.

Damn, but yeah, naive to think they would leave things and let it be. Just would be really surprised if at least some of the English clubs like my own (Liverpool) don't take heed of what the fans do not want. Owners already apologised and admitted they made a mistake. If they were to change their mind and rejoin ESL it would be impossible to repair the relationship. And I know money can still be made from empty stadiums, Covid proved that for the big boys. But Anfield will no longer be a fortress.

If the team plays well, puts on a good show and wins, the fans quickly forget about this issue.

I continued to think that there will soon be a super league, not as it was just introduced, but a version 2.0.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 22, 2021, 03:52:11 PM

As told you is not over yet for the superglue on the contrary.

If they will win the Superleague will probably start from 2022-2023 according to Vox populi.

Damn, but yeah, naive to think they would leave things and let it be. Just would be really surprised if at least some of the English clubs like my own (Liverpool) don't take heed of what the fans do not want. Owners already apologised and admitted they made a mistake. If they were to change their mind and rejoin ESL it would be impossible to repair the relationship. And I know money can still be made from empty stadiums, Covid proved that for the big boys. But Anfield will no longer be a fortress.

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As told you is not over yet for the superglue on the contrary.
The society representing the European SuperLeague is doing a motion against UEFA for removing the deal they did by the 9 cowards teams.

The 12 teams are still in the ESL and no one left yet.

According to Vox Populi the big 3 Sisters are waiting for the green light from Bruxelles and according to with previous cases, they will win.

It should happen in 8-10 months and they can start with the league.

If they will win the Superleague will probably start from 2022-2023 according to Vox populi.

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Quote from: Woodie on June 22, 2021, 03:00:44 PM

England enjoying a great deal of possession and Jack Grealish turned provider linked up well with Raheem Sterling to get the opening goal which put them in the lead. We need to see more of this partnership, hope the coach is taking notes and plays the dual more.

On the contrary, I really feel bad for Czech Republic because any winner from the other match would leave them out unless it stays as it is....but the best they can do is fight for all 3 points or at the least get a draw.

That moment when you confuse EURO thread with Champions League one due to the presence of a ball ⚽ Grin

Quote from: buwaytress on June 22, 2021, 02:28:55 PM

Totally forgot that qualifying rounds start TONIGHT with the Prelim rounds, and I've already got a first bet to kick off the new season;) Will update OP shortly.

70th min now and the away clubs are ahead by a slim goal. I've got Inter d'Escaldes to win at 84/10 so I'm happy so far.

And now, back to EURO.

With EURO + Copa America matches, almost everyone is forgetting about other games Wink

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England enjoying a great deal of possession and Jack Grealish turned provider linked up well with Raheem Sterling to get the opening goal which put them in the lead. We need to see more of this partnership, hope the coach is taking notes and plays the dual more.

On the contrary, I really feel bad for Czech Republic because any winner from the other match would leave them out unless it stays as it is....but the best they can do is fight for all 3 points or at the least get a draw.

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Totally forgot that qualifying rounds start TONIGHT with the Prelim rounds, and I've already got a first bet to kick off the new season;) Will update OP shortly.

70th min now and the away clubs are ahead by a slim goal. I've got Inter d'Escaldes to win at 84/10 so I'm happy so far.

And now, back to EURO.

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Quote from: joker_josue on June 10, 2021, 01:31:41 PM

Quote from: kassex on June 10, 2021, 01:24:50 PM

Perez and Agnelli would never have gone to confrontation with UEFA if they knew they would lose in the legal field. After all, these two people are quite experienced people in such cases. And UEFA could hardly have won cases in the courts against these teams. So I think The story of the Super League is just beginning, and perhaps in the future we will see an even greater confrontation between Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus on the one hand and UEFA on the other.

These clubs and all the others that were initially talked about. They just publicly announced that they were out, but technically they're still in there.

I continued to think that sooner or later we're going to have a "super league". I doubt it will be in the mold that had been presented, but it will be different. The national championships are increasingly unbalanced in general, with a tendency to worsen.

Just an issues only and now both Perez and UEFA president nothing happen and not any punishment for team who joined UEFA super league, I see UEFA super league want to give more money for club joined and they can get higher advertising than UEFA champion league, when club get pandemic crisis is very good how team can get more money than UEFA champion league without transparent about money received by UEFA.

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Quote from: kassex on June 10, 2021, 01:24:50 PM

Perez and Agnelli would never have gone to confrontation with UEFA if they knew they would lose in the legal field. After all, these two people are quite experienced people in such cases. And UEFA could hardly have won cases in the courts against these teams. So I think The story of the Super League is just beginning, and perhaps in the future we will see an even greater confrontation between Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus on the one hand and UEFA on the other.

These clubs and all the others that were initially talked about. They just publicly announced that they were out, but technically they're still in there.

I continued to think that sooner or later we're going to have a "super league". I doubt it will be in the mold that had been presented, but it will be different. The national championships are increasingly unbalanced in general, with a tendency to worsen.

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Quote from: acquafredda on June 10, 2021, 12:17:40 PM

To save Ceferin's chair (and career) here is what UEFA has managed to do once again.
The change of course has arrived with an official communication: "After the opening of disciplinary proceedings against Barcelona, Juventus and Real Madrid for a potential violation of UEFA's legal framework in relation to the so-called Super League project, UEFA's independent appeal body has decided to suspend the proceedings until further notice".
From the USA comes a sensational backstory regarding UEFA's failed ruling against Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona, clubs still fully involved in the Super league. As reported by the journalist of the "Times", Tariq Panja, Ceferin and the leaders of the organization would have risked being arrested at the behest of the Spanish authorities if sanctions were imposed on the 3 "dissident" clubs. It was this fear that pushed UEFA to suspend all proceedings.

Perez and Agnelli would never have gone to confrontation with UEFA if they knew they would lose in the legal field. After all, these two people are quite experienced people in such cases. And UEFA could hardly have won cases in the courts against these teams. So I think The story of the Super League is just beginning, and perhaps in the future we will see an even greater confrontation between Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus on the one hand and UEFA on the other.

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To save Ceferin's chair (and career) here is what UEFA has managed to do once again.
The change of course has arrived with an official communication: "After the opening of disciplinary proceedings against Barcelona, Juventus and Real Madrid for a potential violation of UEFA's legal framework in relation to the so-called Super League project, UEFA's independent appeal body has decided to suspend the proceedings until further notice".
From the USA comes a sensational backstory regarding UEFA's failed ruling against Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona, clubs still fully involved in the Super league. As reported by the journalist of the "Times", Tariq Panja, Ceferin and the leaders of the organization would have risked being arrested at the behest of the Spanish authorities if sanctions were imposed on the 3 "dissident" clubs. It was this fear that pushed UEFA to suspend all proceedings.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 10, 2021, 09:10:05 AM

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Normally changing tactics during the season is not a bad thing, it shows that a manager is ready to switch things up and find what is better against a certain team and win that way, it is actually shows quality in a manager. However when you change something and lose, that is when it means you are not doing it very well, in fact you are doing it wrong.

His idol Bielsa does something similar, he doesn't change his formation all that often (which he still does sometimes) but he changes tactics even if the formation is same, because he is known to study the opponent religiously and then make a new system depending on who they play, that way he moved to premier league and then finish the league above what others believed they could, all thanks to him getting ready for each game. Pep wants to do the same thing but he is not as good at changing as Bielsa so the results are usually lackluster.

Well, it kinda depends. If you are City and you are dominating games, you want others to adapt to your initial gameplan (the one that suits you best). If you are a weaker team, I agree that changing tactics is a great strategy. Also, if you are a good team and are having a losing streak, changing tactics and rotating players might be a good option.

The thing is that City was dominating during both periods and he did not change a player or 2. He basically switched formations and changed the whole gameplay idea.

Bottom line - changing is good. Changing too much suddenly - well, at least in Guardiola's case, proving not to be.

Manchester City's squad is good. And the players were active throughout the season. The players were in form, so despite the guardiola changing the formation repeatedly, they performed well enough. But if Manchester City had been an average quality team, Guardiola might not have gotten so good results by changing the format this time around.

This is true. If the players are in form then the responsibility of the coach is greatly reduced. If the coach only considers the strategy of the opponent's game and arranges the formation of his own team, the expected result is obtained. We have seen the situation of Liverpool. Even after winning the title the previous season, there was a team that was completely devastated this season. Because their players were not in form.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on June 10, 2021, 07:13:43 AM

Quote from: sana54210 on June 09, 2021, 03:15:17 PM

Normally changing tactics during the season is not a bad thing, it shows that a manager is ready to switch things up and find what is better against a certain team and win that way, it is actually shows quality in a manager. However when you change something and lose, that is when it means you are not doing it very well, in fact you are doing it wrong.

His idol Bielsa does something similar, he doesn't change his formation all that often (which he still does sometimes) but he changes tactics even if the formation is same, because he is known to study the opponent religiously and then make a new system depending on who they play, that way he moved to premier league and then finish the league above what others believed they could, all thanks to him getting ready for each game. Pep wants to do the same thing but he is not as good at changing as Bielsa so the results are usually lackluster.

Well, it kinda depends. If you are City and you are dominating games, you want others to adapt to your initial gameplan (the one that suits you best). If you are a weaker team, I agree that changing tactics is a great strategy. Also, if you are a good team and are having a losing streak, changing tactics and rotating players might be a good option.

The thing is that City was dominating during both periods and he did not change a player or 2. He basically switched formations and changed the whole gameplay idea.

Bottom line - changing is good. Changing too much suddenly - well, at least in Guardiola's case, proving not to be.

Manchester City's squad is good. And the players were active throughout the season. The players were in form, so despite the guardiola changing the formation repeatedly, they performed well enough. But if Manchester City had been an average quality team, Guardiola might not have gotten so good results by changing the format this time around.

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Quote from: sana54210 on June 09, 2021, 03:15:17 PM

Normally changing tactics during the season is not a bad thing, it shows that a manager is ready to switch things up and find what is better against a certain team and win that way, it is actually shows quality in a manager. However when you change something and lose, that is when it means you are not doing it very well, in fact you are doing it wrong.

His idol Bielsa does something similar, he doesn't change his formation all that often (which he still does sometimes) but he changes tactics even if the formation is same, because he is known to study the opponent religiously and then make a new system depending on who they play, that way he moved to premier league and then finish the league above what others believed they could, all thanks to him getting ready for each game. Pep wants to do the same thing but he is not as good at changing as Bielsa so the results are usually lackluster.

Well, it kinda depends. If you are City and you are dominating games, you want others to adapt to your initial gameplan (the one that suits you best). If you are a weaker team, I agree that changing tactics is a great strategy. Also, if you are a good team and are having a losing streak, changing tactics and rotating players might be a good option.

The thing is that City was dominating during both periods and he did not change a player or 2. He basically switched formations and changed the whole gameplay idea.

Bottom line - changing is good. Changing too much suddenly - well, at least in Guardiola's case, proving not to be.

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As told you, Juventus Real and Barca now will probably not excluded from the next Champions League.

Uefa suspended his judgment after the notice from 2 courts notify them with the "no penalties for ESL".

As I told you I think Agnelli and Perez set a trap and UEFA fall for it.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on June 09, 2021, 06:55:59 AM

It was not his first attempt. As @tyz already said, it happens more often than not. Last example before this was last year's CL quarterfinal loss against Lyon where he bizarrely went with a 343 formation, using Walker and Cancelo as wingbacks with Rodri and Gundogan in the middle.

Against Lyon it was way more defensive than his selections during the season, this year against Chelsea it was more offensive than usual.

He has to be considered as one of the greats and he's a hard man to criticize but both of these losses did come after a deviation from usual team setups during these specific seasons. He did the same thing with Bayern.

Normally changing tactics during the season is not a bad thing, it shows that a manager is ready to switch things up and find what is better against a certain team and win that way, it is actually shows quality in a manager. However when you change something and lose, that is when it means you are not doing it very well, in fact you are doing it wrong.

His idol Bielsa does something similar, he doesn't change his formation all that often (which he still does sometimes) but he changes tactics even if the formation is same, because he is known to study the opponent religiously and then make a new system depending on who they play, that way he moved to premier league and then finish the league above what others believed they could, all thanks to him getting ready for each game. Pep wants to do the same thing but he is not as good at changing as Bielsa so the results are usually lackluster.

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Quote from: kassex on June 09, 2021, 08:28:50 AM

He has too many good players at the moment, which is probably why he often changes his tactics and is always not very successful in the final matches. In Bayern Munich, he lost in important games for this very reason.Frequent changes in tactics interfere with the players. Against weak teams this does not manifest itself, but with strong teams it leads to sad results.

He does this because he wants to show that he is capable of using a different tactic than he used at Barcelona. But these are cycles. As Mourinho increasingly finds it difficult to implement new tactics, he gradually starts having the same dilemma.

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Quote from: tyz on June 08, 2021, 01:50:28 PM

What I never understand about Guardiola's tactics is that he almost always plays with a very consistent tactic all the way to the quarter and semifinals and is extraordinarily successful with it. But then he suddenly starts changing these tactics again and again in important matches, although there is no real reason. He would certainly be more successful internationally if he followed his tactics to the letter and didn't keep trying something new. To me, the reason for the change of tactics is not really obvious, except that he is looking for the element of surprise.

He has too many good players at the moment, which is probably why he often changes his tactics and is always not very successful in the final matches. In Bayern Munich, he lost in important games for this very reason.Frequent changes in tactics interfere with the players. Against weak teams this does not manifest itself, but with strong teams it leads to sad results.

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It was not his first attempt. As @tyz already said, it happens more often than not. Last example before this was last year's CL quarterfinal loss against Lyon where he bizarrely went with a 343 formation, using Walker and Cancelo as wingbacks with Rodri and Gundogan in the middle.

Against Lyon it was way more defensive than his selections during the season, this year against Chelsea it was more offensive than usual.

He has to be considered as one of the greats and he's a hard man to criticize but both of these losses did come after a deviation from usual team setups during these specific seasons. He did the same thing with Bayern.

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If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

What I never understand about Guardiola's tactics is that he almost always plays with a very consistent tactic all the way to the quarter and semifinals and is extraordinarily successful with it. But then he suddenly starts changing these tactics again and again in important matches, although there is no real reason. He would certainly be more successful internationally if he followed his tactics to the letter and didn't keep trying something new. To me, the reason for the change of tactics is not really obvious, except that he is looking for the element of surprise.

@tyz for all the great work he’s done as a coach this final shall always haunt him, because all he had to do was put up his regular playing 11, but for some weird reason he decided to experiment and it completely backfired. However I wouldn’t be surprised if he repeated this trick again, despite it failing in his first attempt but I hope he tries this for practise games only.

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If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

What I never understand about Guardiola's tactics is that he almost always plays with a very consistent tactic all the way to the quarter and semifinals and is extraordinarily successful with it. But then he suddenly starts changing these tactics again and again in important matches, although there is no real reason. He would certainly be more successful internationally if he followed his tactics to the letter and didn't keep trying something new. To me, the reason for the change of tactics is not really obvious, except that he is looking for the element of surprise.

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