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Quote from: joker_josue on June 07, 2021, 10:27:55 AM

Quote from: kassex on June 07, 2021, 10:18:43 AM

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

The idea of changing aims to surprise the opponent. This in itself is not bad. The problem is when the squad cannot understand this new idea.
Which is what happened. When they were already losing, they tried to return to the "old" scheme, but it was too late and Chelsea managed to completely annul the opponent.

making changes to the game scheme is certainly an important thing in a match, this is at least done in some positions that are really very vulnerable, but in the final match some time ago it seemed that the game scheme of manchester city was not like when dealing with PSG in the semifinals and we can see how chelsea's players are superior both in defense and attack and make the game of manchester city not develop at all, in my opinion, pep guardiola made a very big gamble by applying a different game scheme than usual in the final, so it was clear that there were many mistakes or miss communication between players in the field.

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Quote from: joker_josue on June 07, 2021, 10:27:55 AM

Quote from: kassex on June 07, 2021, 10:18:43 AM

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

The idea of changing aims to surprise the opponent. This in itself is not bad. The problem is when the squad cannot understand this new idea.
Which is what happened. When they were already losing, they tried to return to the "old" scheme, but it was too late and Chelsea managed to completely annul the opponent.

Yes, it is. But experiments should not be carried out in the final matches. In such matches, teamwork always plays a role. And new formations need to be worked out during the season in games with weak opponents. Until Guardiola abandons this approach in the finals, he will always be theirs lose.

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Quote from: kassex on June 07, 2021, 10:18:43 AM

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

The idea of changing aims to surprise the opponent. This in itself is not bad. The problem is when the squad cannot understand this new idea.
Which is what happened. When they were already losing, they tried to return to the "old" scheme, but it was too late and Chelsea managed to completely annul the opponent.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2021, 08:00:51 AM

Quote from: swogerino on June 07, 2021, 06:39:35 AM

Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 07, 2021, 06:39:35 AM

Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

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Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 07, 2021, 04:30:40 AM

The UEFA rules can't not overwrite the EUROPE's law.

No more! UEFA has to shape its way of acting. Many clubs are beginning to realize that UEFA is more of a competitor to them than a supporter.

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Quote from: tyz on June 04, 2021, 04:52:37 AM

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

The league was outside the UEFa so there was no violation.
The league has not born (yet) so they can't punish something it does not exist (yet).

Also, we have an official statement from Today.

The Swiss Court (where UEFA is) agrees with the Madrid Court, UEFA cannot punish clubs in the league.

If they will do so they will go against the law, again.

https://twitter.com/theMadridZone/status/1401682921405267968

The UEFA rules can't not overwrite the EUROPE's law.

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Quote from: AndySt on June 06, 2021, 06:18:17 PM

I am not at all sure that Tuchel will be able to repeat his achievement in the new Champions League draw, because Chelsea were the underdog in the last draw, and as you know, underdogs are much more likely to lose Grin

All this does not negate the operational coaching work Tuchel did at the London club and tactical changes, but still it does not mean that Chelsea will be the undisputed leader in the new season. By the way, another of the main reasons for winning was that Tuchel did not forget to wear the magic sneakers given by the president of PSG in this final, which he did not do last year and lost. And here we are talking about the tactics of coaches, about the skill of football players; D

Not deserving the merit of the work done by Chelsea and their coach this season, we have to admit that Chelsea were an offsider to reach the final. Despite having good indications, his victory was not foreseen. So it's hard to have two years the same for Chelsea. It may even do a good job, but it will certainly be difficult to do it again next season.

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Quote from: wildan88 on June 06, 2021, 08:19:20 AM

He probably means that Tuchel made it to the final with Paris Saint Germain last year, but did not win it. And this year with Chelsea the title. I think the performance is much better with Chelsea, although the route was considerably easier. However, it must be said that in the semi-final Real Madrid was completely outplayed at home and away. It is remarkable that Chelsea have done so well. Whether they can prolong the title, that will be a completely different story. Final with Paris Saint Germain is not a great achievement, if you look at what kind of players there are in that team.

I am not at all sure that Tuchel will be able to repeat his achievement in the new Champions League draw, because Chelsea were the underdog in the last draw, and as you know, underdogs are much more likely to lose Grin

All this does not negate the operational coaching work Tuchel did at the London club and tactical changes, but still it does not mean that Chelsea will be the undisputed leader in the new season. By the way, another of the main reasons for winning was that Tuchel did not forget to wear the magic sneakers given by the president of PSG in this final, which he did not do last year and lost. And here we are talking about the tactics of coaches, about the skill of football players; D

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 05, 2021, 11:56:04 PM

Chelsea and Villareal will be going to Pot 1 UCL in the next session together with; Atletico Madrid (1st rank LaLiga), Manchester City (1st rank Premier), Inter Milan ((1st rank Serie A), Bayern Munchen (1st rank Bundesliga), Lille (1st rank Ligue 1), dan Sporting Lisbon (1st rank Primeira)

Pot 2; Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Paris Saint Germain, Manchester United, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund.

Pot 3; Porto, Ajax, RB Leipzig, Atalanta, Beşiktaş, Dynamo Kyiv, Club Brugge, 4 winners playoff Champions Path 2 and winner playoff League Path

pot 4; AC Milan and VfL WOlfsburg

* I just seeing which hell pot - Pot 2 - the club which tight competition

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/

Nonetheless, they are in Pot 2 because the Pot 1 chaps overpowered them last season, didn't they?

I don't see any tight competition, Pot 2 teams are not going to play against each other, at least not in the group stages. Group draws have to be first made. I am not sure when this will take place

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Quote from: Oshosondy on June 06, 2021, 08:11:22 AM

Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer.

Chelsea really surprised us this season but the club really worth the winning, when I knew it was Man City that qualified with Chelsea to play the final, I was very happy because I know Chelsea has won already, it was the first time for Man City to make it up to final, no club known to me that first made it up to final that won, Chelsea has the experience more than Man City even irrespective of the changed manager and some players.

Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

I do not know what you mean by 'last year with PSG and now the title with Chelsea, though PSG and Bayern Munich played the final last season but PSG was defeated by Bayern Munich by 1 goal to nothing, Bayern Munich won last year Champions League.

He probably means that Tuchel made it to the final with Paris Saint Germain last year, but did not win it. And this year with Chelsea the title. I think the performance is much better with Chelsea, although the route was considerably easier. However, it must be said that in the semi-final Real Madrid was completely outplayed at home and away. It is remarkable that Chelsea have done so well. Whether they can prolong the title, that will be a completely different story. Final with Paris Saint Germain is not a great achievement, if you look at what kind of players there are in that team.

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Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer.

Chelsea really surprised us this season but the club really worth the winning, when I knew it was Man City that qualified with Chelsea to play the final, I was very happy because I know Chelsea has won already, it was the first time for Man City to make it up to final, no club known to me that first made it up to final that won, Chelsea has the experience more than Man City even irrespective of the changed manager and some players.

Quote from: gadado on June 05, 2021, 04:55:26 AM

Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

I do not know what you mean by 'last year with PSG and now the title with Chelsea, though PSG and Bayern Munich played the final last season but PSG was defeated by Bayern Munich by 1 goal to nothing, Bayern Munich won last year Champions League.

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Chelsea and Villareal will be going to Pot 1 UCL in the next session together with; Atletico Madrid (1st rank LaLiga), Manchester City (1st rank Premier), Inter Milan ((1st rank Serie A), Bayern Munchen (1st rank Bundesliga), Lille (1st rank Ligue 1), dan Sporting Lisbon (1st rank Primeira)

Pot 2; Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Paris Saint Germain, Manchester United, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund.

Pot 3; Porto, Ajax, RB Leipzig, Atalanta, Beşiktaş, Dynamo Kyiv, Club Brugge, 4 winners playoff Champions Path 2 and winner playoff League Path

pot 4; AC Milan and VfL WOlfsburg

* I just seeing which hell pot - Pot 2 - the club which tight competition

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/

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International Olympic Committee and International Football Association Board are the governing bodies of Olympic football matches, a branch under FIFA, any sports called football is been given and regulated by FIFA don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

Yes it is regulated by FIFA, but not organised.

Yeah but doesn't change anything, FiFA owns the players, the ball, the jersey and the officials and the rules even 40% of the income goes to FiFA

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If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

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For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Who is the governing body at the Olympic Games, the National Olympic Committee or someone else?

It is the International Olympic Committee, which organizes the Olympic Games, and is responsible for the competitive formats of all modalities that are played in the Olympic Games, including Football. There is actually an agreement with FIFA to help organize the event. That's why there are restrictions on the football competition, because FIFA is afraid that the Olympic Games will overshadow the Football World Cup. It is true that the olympic committee does not want football to be the "star" of the olympic games either and therefore accepts the restrictions.

It's shameful to see how FIFA and UEFA want the monopoly linked to football and nobody can try to do it differently. These organizations should only be the regulators of football competitions. But they are also the organizers of the competitions, which creates a real conflict of interest if someone wants to create a new competition.

Quote from: Igebotz on June 05, 2021, 03:36:10 AM

International Olympic Committee and International Football Association Board are the governing bodies of Olympic football matches, a branch under FIFA, any sports called football is been given and regulated by FIFA don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

Yes it is regulated by FIFA, but not organised.

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Quote from: joker_josue on June 04, 2021, 12:03:56 PM

For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Who is the governing body at the Olympic Games, the National Olympic Committee or someone else?

International Olympic Committee and International Football Association Board are the governing bodies of Olympic football matches, a branch under FIFA, any sports called football is been given and regulated by FIFA don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

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Quote from: alegotardo on June 04, 2021, 06:16:00 AM

Ok, but they didn't even create the SL, it failed in a few days.

The project stopped after only a few days, yes. But the clubs did create the league. They signed contracts to participate in it and they even signed a clause that the league could penalize them if they stepped out. That's what the 9 clubs did. They stepped out after being pressured by UEFA while Barcelona, Juventus, and Real still remain dedicated to making the league a reality.

Quote from: joker_josue on June 04, 2021, 12:03:56 PM

For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Who is the governing body at the Olympic Games, the National Olympic Committee or someone else?

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Quote from: Pmalek on June 04, 2021, 05:46:06 AM

Quote from: Woodie on June 04, 2021, 03:26:57 AM

If this is true why don't teams in the premier league celebrate being relegated knowing there is a pot of gold that awaits should they win the championship trophy?

Because the pot of gold by staying in the Premier League is bigger than the one when you participate in the Championship for the reasons explained by cryptofrka. Less money from TV rights means a smaller budget for transfers and player salaries. If you don't have the money, you have to sell your star players who you can't afford to pay if relegated to a lower division. The players also don't want to play in the Championship if they can find a club in the PL and some have even clauses in their contracts that allows them to leave in case of a relegation.

I believe championship is a better situation for teams that are not making the good amount of profit they need from being in premier league, I have seen a few clubs who prefer to be not in premier league because even though it pays a ton, it also requires a huge commitment and spending as well, even a bench player in premier league gets paid way too much, in championship the star players still get a ton of money but the bench players are nowhere near the premier league levels, there are starters in championship that gets paid as much as the guy in premier league who didn't play a single game.

Aside from that the fact is correct, you do earn more but you spend more so it makes sense in that case, why would I want to be in championship if I am going to not know if I will promote or not while also not earning remotely close, when I can be in premier league and earn way more without any worry, all I have to do is not relegate.

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