UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 707.

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Quote from: muratsink on May 30, 2021, 02:01:28 PM

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Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

Pep Guardiola always failed to defeat Thomas Tuchel what ever competition not only on primer league, bundesliga until champion league always never have any way how to defeat with Thomas Tuchel team, I think most applause how midfielder from Chelsea manage by Kante give more contribution, not only for defensive but also Kante become key for Chelsea when attacking.

If the team loses people will blame the strategy used or if the team wins people will praise him this is normal right? Pep has experienced in various competitions, of course he knows what to do, to be sure we are not better than him. For me personally Chelsea is playing better and lucky so they deserve that title.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on May 30, 2021, 03:12:32 PM

Most players actually peak before hitting 30 or slightly in their early thirties, but this is even rare.

This is what Chelsea brought to the table, handing the UCL trophy to young players even before they hit there prime. Well, one thing to note about this team of players aside from the fact that it's filled mostly with a youthful team is that, they are coordinated. They ensure to put in there best and you could say it was a well deserved title, they merited it.

There is a motion I've been deliberating on and that is, if actually Frank Lampard the formal manager was the issue with the team, not that he wasn't doing great but it wasn't consistent and now, here is Thomas Tuchel with with this same team, went in and won the UCL finals.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on May 29, 2021, 06:07:08 PM

guys, 30 years old isn't old, if anything is about the time when a footballer is close to reaching his peak in performance. Seriously, this isn't FIFA Roll Eyes

real life isn't a videogame where a players stats start to go down as soon as they hit the 30yo mark. Look at Lewa (32), Messi (33), Modric (36), Suarez (34), CR7 (36), Rakitic (33), Kroos (31), Benzema (33), Jordi Alba (32), Dani Parejo (32),Thiago Silva (36), etc, etc.

Most players actually peak before hitting 30 or slightly in their early thirties, but this is even rare. If you look at Messi and Ronaldo performances on pitch and stats. You will realize they were at the top of their games before hitting 30. Lets look at the stats

I have chosen because they are one of the world's best players, and it's easy to determine their stats based on goals scored since they are forwards.

Ronaldo Messi

See some pattern before and after the red lines?

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Quote from: muratsink on May 30, 2021, 02:01:28 PM

Quote from: Coyster on May 30, 2021, 01:58:36 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on May 30, 2021, 12:08:10 PM

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

Pep Guardiola always failed to defeat Thomas Tuchel what ever competition not only on primer league, bundesliga until champion league always never have any way how to defeat with Thomas Tuchel team, I think most applause how midfielder from Chelsea manage by Kante give more contribution, not only for defensive but also Kante become key for Chelsea when attacking.

Thomas Tuchel has a big magic that not all coaches can do, in yesterday's final it was clear Chelsea were very good from every front and especially about Kante. Although for most of the second half City continued to make attacks, it was very visible that City seemed to be dead to make attacks that could produce goals. Chelsea are playing very neatly and there is no visible gap in the field, so it's no wonder I see Chelsea who are always alive but City look like they are dead because they can't do much in the match.

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Quote from: Coyster on May 30, 2021, 01:58:36 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on May 30, 2021, 12:08:10 PM

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

Pep Guardiola always failed to defeat Thomas Tuchel what ever competition not only on primer league, bundesliga until champion league always never have any way how to defeat with Thomas Tuchel team, I think most applause how midfielder from Chelsea manage by Kante give more contribution, not only for defensive but also Kante become key for Chelsea when attacking.

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Quote from: ShowOff on May 30, 2021, 12:08:10 PM

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

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Quote from: Soonandwaite on May 30, 2021, 12:37:15 PM

wow. i didn't expect such a result. i expected Manchester to win. and of course I bet a little on Manchester and lost the bet.
Kai Havertz and anthonio Rüdiger both played a great game. but all the other Chelsea players were also very well prepared for the final game by Thomas Tuchel.
and I hope that Kevin De Bruyne gets well quickly and can play again at the European football championships. He has already written on twitter ~snip~

Most of the people thought that Manchester City will win the game easily, even the betting odds for Manchester City was half of Chelsea at every betting platform. But my expectation was different and I placed a bet on Chelsea. Although my bet amount was small but I made pretty good profit for the higher odds. BTW, update the twitter account link of Kevin De Bruyne, your provided link doesn't working.

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Quote from: Ebede on May 30, 2021, 06:22:36 AM

Few weeks to the UCL finals, I believed and predicted that Mancity will win. But few minutes to the final when I saw the line up, it became obvious to me that Chelsea will take the day.
Tuchel came up with a strong midfield and a natural striker.
Mancity in the other hand came up with strong midfield without a natural striker. I was shocked Guardiola came up with his well mastered tactics by all.

It is therefore very important that when gambling, we should wait till the eleventh hour to know the formation of the club, form of the players, weather, mentality of the team for that day's match. I lost my money but I have learnt my lessons.

Show us your betslips then. Easy for anyone to say this but if you're only "learning your lessons" now then you're definitely not long in gambling. Plenty of people think there are lessons to learn but learn the wrong ones. Good luck to you though;)

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Quote from: Karartma1 on May 30, 2021, 03:19:44 AM

My bet was, again, not correct Grin

(2-1 for ManCity).
~snip~

I think many are guessing the win for Man City. Actually I also championed Man City but I didn't bet earlier. I read that there are many discussions here that champion Man City. Congratulations to Chelsea you broke a boring final, the games before that could not describe the final. Tuchel was really effective, with just one goal, small ball possession, and tight in defense. All of that frustrates Man City. Mendy and Kante are also doing great he remains my idol during matches. Kante ran the whole match, I thought he was like a horse, his strength was incredible.

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wow. i didn't expect such a result. i expected Manchester to win. and of course I bet a little on Manchester and lost the bet.
Kai Havertz and anthonio Rüdiger both played a great game. but all the other Chelsea players were also very well prepared for the final game by Thomas Tuchel.
and I hope that Kevin De Bruyne gets well quickly and can play again at the European football championships. He has already written on twitter

Quote from twitter https://twitter.com/DeBruyneKev

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Quote from: ShowOff on May 30, 2021, 12:08:10 PM

I will not say much other than pensive watching Chelsea celebrate the victory in the final yesterday. I don't think Manchester City played badly because during the game they had chances to score but luck was not on their side. Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final. Everything was not as expected and they failed to win this title for the first time.

Actually they - Manchester city- has never won this title this is their first final and this would be Chelsea second time to win it in three champions league final. I don't have any fault With Manchester city, and I think no credit should go away from Chelsea by bringing luck into it. Ngolo kante for amazing and very exciting in the match, I think he was the difference between the two teams.
I don't know but I feel tuchel did a good background study of Manchester city and pep more than any other English club before come to the bridge, and it's paying off for Chelsea, can Chelsea win the premier league? I think so.

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Quote from: masulum on May 30, 2021, 12:17:55 PM

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It doesn't matter not to win the EPL this season, but with UCL champions, of course everything is cured because we know the most prestigious title is UCL which hopes for all European teams.

Yes, but next season will be a difficult season for Chelsea, become a club as defending champion at UCL, maybe it will be a little bit hard for players, Tuchel may also be required to give more trophies by the Chelsea board. If they fail at the EPL, and also fail at the UCL, I think he only has half the season to managed Chelsea next season or another chance till half of season 2022-2023. Because, if Chelsea thinks it is impossible for tuchel to give another trophy, the decision to dismissal will be taken immediately, they are not looking for a loyal coach, but a coach who gives a trophy.

If Chelsea sack Tuchel, all their dreams of winning the title will be ruined. I think the Champions League title this season has been won by Chelsea only because of Tuchel's remarkable match strategy. Of course, Chelsea's players played well, but without Tuchel's great match strategy, they would not have won the title.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on May 30, 2021, 12:08:48 PM

It doesn't matter not to win the EPL this season, but with UCL champions, of course everything is cured because we know the most prestigious title is UCL which hopes for all European teams.

Yes, but next season will be a difficult season for Chelsea, become a club as defending champion at UCL, maybe it will be a little bit hard for players, Tuchel may also be required to give more trophies by the Chelsea board. If they fail at the EPL, and also fail at the UCL, I think he only has half the season to managed Chelsea next season or another chance till half of season 2022-2023. Because, if Chelsea thinks it is impossible for tuchel to give another trophy, the decision to dismissal will be taken immediately, they are not looking for a loyal coach, but a coach who gives a trophy.

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One interesting fact - this is the 2nd time in the history of the Champions league that the trophy was won 3 seasons in a row by the managers of the same nationality managing different clubs (Klopp - Liverpool, Flick - Bayern, Tuchel - Chelsea).

The only time before that was between 1980-82, when English managers did the same (Clough - Nottingham Forest, Paisley - Liverpool, Barton - Aston Villa).

The ultimate managers winning streak is held by the English as well, 6 seasons in a row between 1977-1982 (Paisley 3x, Clough 2x, Barton 1x).

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Quote from: masulum on May 30, 2021, 11:55:37 AM

As I expected, if you look at the results that happened in the UEFA League, the championship was achieved by a team that most people would not expect. We know how the results achieved by Villareal. Indeed, UEL and UCL are different, but I tend to judge that the team's motivation gives different results. Tuchel managed to prove Abramovic's decision to appoint him as Chelsea coach are thre right decision, even though at the EPL they had difficulties, but with the UCL trophy that was obtained, of course Chelsea can now celebrate.

Congratulations Chelsea & Fans

That is football is always different when in the UEL and UCL finals the results did not match expectations but this is indeed very surprising behind all this Chelsea being able to overthrow Mancity 1-0, this is certainly very painful when attacks from Mancity continue to persist but there are no goals from them. , this is a very strong defense. I admit Chelsea will be champions when at the end of the season Chelsea are also able to beat it.

It doesn't matter not to win the EPL this season, but with UCL champions, of course everything is cured because we know the most prestigious title is UCL which hopes for all European teams.

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I will not say much other than pensive watching Chelsea celebrate the victory in the final yesterday. I don't think Manchester City played badly because during the game they had chances to score but luck was not on their side. Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final. Everything was not as expected and they failed to win this title for the first time.

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As I expected, if you look at the results that happened in the UEFA League, the championship was achieved by a team that most people would not expect. We know how the results achieved by Villareal. Indeed, UEL and UCL are different, but I tend to judge that the team's motivation gives different results. Tuchel managed to prove Abramovic's decision to appoint him as Chelsea coach are thre right decision, even though at the EPL they had difficulties, but with the UCL trophy that was obtained, of course Chelsea can now celebrate.

Congratulations Chelsea & Fans

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Quote from: Lordhermes on May 30, 2021, 10:52:06 AM

I thought Manchester City was going to beat Chelsea. But after the first half ended with Chelsea leading, i realized that Chelsea was serious about winning the trophy.
Chelsea lost the F.A cup to Leicester and had the Champion League trophy as their only hope for the season.

Yes, Chelsea deserves to be UCL champions, the tight pressure shown by the Chelsea players was able to reduce Man City's attacks until the game ended. Even though they could only score 1 goal, but that was enough to bring Chelsea to become the UCL champion.

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N'Golo Kante won the man of the match in the Champion League final, which he deserved, he had been a great help to Chelsea this season.

N'Golo Kante's performance was really great, it looks like he never gets tired of chasing the ball and it made Chelsea look like playing with 12 men.

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Quote from: W Jr. on May 30, 2021, 08:28:35 AM

National success is also important. Of course, he has to win international tournaments as well. If the spending permission given to Guardiola had been given to another coach, perhaps he would have faced the same end. Manchester City won the English Premier League this year. EPL's reputation is just as important as UCL. It was the only match in the final. They played many matches until they came to the final match. I don't think it's fair to call Pep Guardiola a failure because they lost the last game. He could have had the same problem in Barcelona.

EPL is not as important as UCL, anyone who says that is either a British person who overvalues their own league or they are a person who likes premier league way too much. UCL is where the real winners are for the top teams because you can win your league all you want but UCL is a whole another cup.

Chelsea finished 4th in premier league this year but managed to win the UCL and that is a huge success, Tuchel should be praised like no other coahc for this year, he achieved something major, if he won FA cup as well that would have been insane. EPL is important, it is VERY important, but for these teams at the top UCL is the most important cup there is because only one can win it between all the big clubs all around europe, you are not just beating teams in epl, you are beating all the great teams all around the continent. Which is why I believe Pep has failed miserably for the past decade.

This is a great achievment for Chelsea and have showed us how hard their effort to reach the throphy which is really adored by many club in the world. This is the precious league ever after and every club really workhard to be wrotten on the throphy. Even the interesting issue that happen is Man City is moked by their ex player "Patrice Evra". He posted on his tweeter the meme between He and Bobby Charlton which is searching the Man City's name on the throphy but they cant find.

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Congratulations Chelsea!

Both teams had a great game. Manchester City conceded a goal when caught off guard. Although they tried very hard to make up for this goal, they were not enough. N'golo Kante and Mount played great in the Chelsea team. Manchester City lost in their first final match. Paris SG and Tottenham have experienced this before.

That was bound to happen when you don't have holding midfielder. I also thought it was a smart lineup but defense was so sloppy in the first half. They were surprised by the Werner's pace and focused on him and forgot to check Havertz properly. Still it was wierd to have no striker otherwise they would have answered properly. Chelsea undoubtedly deserved it. Guardiola pays it off for overthinking like he usually does.

Guardiola is a successful manager. No one can deny this. However, they are unsuccessful in their match against Chelsea. Tuchel prepared Chelsea so well that they beat Manchester City in the final. If Timo Werner had evaluated the positions, it might have even been different. Kai Havertz's first goal in the champions league led them to the championship. My two favorites -Europa League and UCL- both lost. I was thinking that 2 trophies could come to Manchester, but no trophy came to Manchester.

He ist successful on national league. No doubt. But he has repeatedly failed to win anything internationally for 10 years with top teams. He gets all the players he wants at ManCity, has spent more than a billion on players over the last few years and has always failed in the semifinals. Now he has made it to the final for the first time in 10 years and fails miserably again.

Even during his time at Bayern, he won everything nationally. But with a very well-rehearsed team, he messed up every time in the semifinals. The same thing happened at ManCity. Remember, before Pep took over Bayern in 2013, the club was two times in a row into the CL finals (2012,2013) where they won in 2013. With almost the same team he failed again and again.

He probably only works internationally in Barcelona. That's why he should go back to Barcelona and rebuild the club there. Then maybe he can win the CL again.

National success is also important.

No, it's not! Not for investors. If you believe that, you haven't understood professional football these days. It's not about national cups for such investors. That is an additional gimic but not the goal. The goal is to win the very big cup in club football. That's why Tuchel was fired from PSG. Nationally, he has always won everything.

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