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Quote from: Darkoth89 on September 11, 2020, 01:23:34 PM

Quote from: 3meek on September 11, 2020, 07:47:29 AM

Atletico Madrid is always a dark horse in any competition! I think that this season they will definitely win La Liga!
Why don't they really become UEFA League champions next season! Wink

If you are so sure about Atletico winning La Liga, you should place a bet (@9.00) on them. I doubt that they will have something to do with the title in La Liga but anyway. In the Champions League I wouldn't even count them to the (bigger) favourites. Teams like City, Liverpool, Bayern, Real, PSG or Juve are way ahead of them imho. I see them on a par with Dortmund, Man United, Inter etc. (Chelsea and Barca are hard to judge).

I agree.Atletico Madrid has not done some impressive transfer of players for this upcoming season so most probably they will suffer to be a top contender in La Liga.In Champions League which has way better teams than La Liga has it will be even more difficult for them.However they have chances as long as they get easy adversaries until they go up to 1/16 where then there are no more easy opponents.

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Quote from: 3meek on September 11, 2020, 07:47:29 AM

Atletico Madrid is always a dark horse in any competition! I think that this season they will definitely win La Liga!
Why don't they really become UEFA League champions next season! Wink

If you are so sure about Atletico winning La Liga, you should place a bet (@9.00) on them. I doubt that they will have something to do with the title in La Liga but anyway. In the Champions League I wouldn't even count them to the (bigger) favourites. Teams like City, Liverpool, Bayern, Real, PSG or Juve are way ahead of them imho. I see them on a par with Dortmund, Man United, Inter etc. (Chelsea and Barca are hard to judge).

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Atletico Madrid is always a dark horse in any competition! I think that this season they will definitely win La Liga!
Why don't they really become UEFA League champions next season! Wink

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 11, 2020, 01:23:33 AM

I agree with you.
The best example is probably Atletico Madrid.
They don't have super players like Real or Barcelona but they have a system and their philosophy that they follow for years and that's why they are always on top and have results.

A good example,,, but Atletico's style is about stability and frustration to the opponents, which is nice when it works, but in the long run it is a very negative way of playing football (in my opinion). And actually I do believe there is an element of luck, because you can defend all you want against 20 shots per game and get away with it, but especially in KO tournaments you have to be unlucky not to concede one or penalty,,, and then you are out. They still have to tweak their system to be more positive when required.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 11, 2020, 01:23:33 AM

I agree with you.
The best example is probably Atletico Madrid.
They don't have super players like Real or Barcelona but they have a system and their philosophy that they follow for years and that's why they are always on top and have results.

Like Atalanta.
But super players do a important stuff: bring season tickets to the club.
Do you think that Cristiano Ronaldo only brought quality to Juventus? No. It has also brought in many new subscribers eager to see CR7 in action.

Quote from: Lillominato89 on September 10, 2020, 02:24:18 PM

they are predictions based on the performances of the previous championship, but take into account other variables, such as player purchase, but man city is always favored to the final victory, but then bad luck runs against them

yes agree

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on September 10, 2020, 02:24:18 PM

they are predictions based on the performances of the previous championship, but take into account other variables, such as player purchase, but man city is always favored to the final victory, but then bad luck runs against them

Why do you blame "bad luck"? I don't think it is only about "luck", but it is about the mentality. Once you are playing at the top level and against the teams from different leagues, what you need first is a strong mentality. You can see some clubs which have fewer top players but they can defeat bigger clubs. Why? It is because they play with a strong mentality and nothing to lose. They play with no pressure, so they can do their best. While a club like Man. City, even they have many top players, they sometimes cannot play with their best because they play with pressure.

I agree with you.
The best example is probably Atletico Madrid.
They don't have super players like Real or Barcelona but they have a system and their philosophy that they follow for years and that's why they are always on top and have results.

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on September 10, 2020, 02:24:18 PM

they are predictions based on the performances of the previous championship, but take into account other variables, such as player purchase, but man city is always favored to the final victory, but then bad luck runs against them

Why do you blame "bad luck"? I don't think it is only about "luck", but it is about the mentality. Once you are playing at the top level and against the teams from different leagues, what you need first is a strong mentality. You can see some clubs which have fewer top players but they can defeat bigger clubs. Why? It is because they play with a strong mentality and nothing to lose. They play with no pressure, so they can do their best. While a club like Man. City, even they have many top players, they sometimes cannot play with their best because they play with pressure.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 10, 2020, 11:35:20 AM

They prolly base it on squad depth, who the manager is and prolly individual performances of players. But yeah, it's a trap. They never considered how City chokes during big, crucial moments.

Edit: That Real line looks nice.

I totally agree with you, very unpredictable, many surprises occurred. You can look at RB Leipzig last year. He was not even seeded but was able to advance to the semifinals. The intense competition made the players tired and appeared unstable. A club that looks great is very hard to beat, but in football anything can happen.

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Quote from: kassex on September 10, 2020, 01:53:31 PM

In my opinion, the time has come for Manchester City or PSG. Barcelona and Real Madrid are unlikely to be able to compete. They are restructuring. Bayern Munich can hardly show the same game for the second time as this season. Chelsea and Manchester United have just begun to build a new team.

Manchester City, Naaah
In Champion's League, Pedigree matters a lot. I would rather say Barcelona stands a higher chance of taking it as compared to Manchester City Grin

How come you guys are not talking about Liverpool anymore?

I see people suggesting Manchester United ahead of Liverpool. Folks here forget so quickly... hahaha

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Quote from: hahay on September 10, 2020, 02:32:08 PM

Quote from: kassex on September 10, 2020, 01:53:31 PM

In my opinion, the time has come for Manchester City or PSG. Barcelona and Real Madrid are unlikely to be able to compete. They are restructuring. Bayern Munich can hardly show the same game for the second time as this season. Chelsea and Manchester United have just begun to build a new team.

Right, over time there will definitely be changes and with that, I also believe that it is time for Barcelona and Real Madrid to be replaced. This season apart from the pandemic that has changed many things, at least this season there will be many other surprises as well because the dominance of the previous top team might fade, maybe. But indeed, these big teams still have a chance to win but for teams from Spain and Italy, I think it's still difficult to reach the final of this season.

This season is going to be hard for many big clubs like Real Madrid Barcelona PSG and Juventus so for me we are going to have two teams in final from these four Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City because until now these are well prepared for this and can go through but others still have many issues to settle.

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Quote from: kassex on September 10, 2020, 01:53:31 PM

In my opinion, the time has come for Manchester City or PSG. Barcelona and Real Madrid are unlikely to be able to compete. They are restructuring. Bayern Munich can hardly show the same game for the second time as this season. Chelsea and Manchester United have just begun to build a new team.

Right, over time there will definitely be changes and with that, I also believe that it is time for Barcelona and Real Madrid to be replaced. This season apart from the pandemic that has changed many things, at least this season there will be many other surprises as well because the dominance of the previous top team might fade, maybe. But indeed, these big teams still have a chance to win but for teams from Spain and Italy, I think it's still difficult to reach the final of this season.

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Quote from: babo on September 10, 2020, 11:02:23 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

These are the early odds for the new season, to be Champions of Europe.

I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

Wow.. So you are telling me that this year's champion is not the best favorite for next year? Funny

Some teams are underestimated in my opinion, but they are very early odds, they are kept conservative

they are predictions based on the performances of the previous championship, but take into account other variables, such as player purchase, but man city is always favored to the final victory, but then bad luck runs against them

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There is no questions why Bayern is favorites - it's obvious. And City, yeah, they choke every season, especially this one and previous one against weaker teams on paper. But I think it's not main factor for bookmakers to decide odds. Their squad level and depth is one of the best in the world, this is one of main factors.
And if not City, then who? Real? We saw what they can do against City. PSG - I don't think so. Barca, Juve or Atletico - no way.

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In my opinion, the time has come for Manchester City or PSG. Barcelona and Real Madrid are unlikely to be able to compete. They are restructuring. Bayern Munich can hardly show the same game for the second time as this season. Chelsea and Manchester United have just begun to build a new team.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

These are the early odds for the new season, to be Champions of Europe.

I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

They prolly base it on squad depth, who the manager is and prolly individual performances of players. But yeah, it's a trap. They never considered how City chokes during big, crucial moments.

Edit: That Real line looks nice.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

These are the early odds for the new season, to be Champions of Europe.

I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

Wow.. So you are telling me that this year's champion is not the best favorite for next year? Funny

Some teams are underestimated in my opinion, but they are very early odds, they are kept conservative

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Quote from: swogerino on September 10, 2020, 06:03:37 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

These are the early odds for the new season, to be Champions of Europe.

I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

I don’t get this either but maybe is the fact that they have a coach like Guardiola who has won the Champions before and they have also some really good players.However the facts have shown that Manchester City has always suffered after the group rounds of the Champions League.

@LFC_Bitcoin the simple reason is because he’s a tactical genius, and the book makers believe in his tactics more than we do, so yea that’s one reason why I feel they always favour Manchester City to lift the champions league. Also I don’t expect my favourite club i.e. Manchester United to last long in CL because of their poor transfer strategy so far, but I’m sincerely hoping that they’ll finally wake up, and splurge some cash and purchase quality player’s soon.

Sources:

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/pep-is-a-genius-but-a-tireless-worker-first-arteta-opens-up/1kxx4ar5qi79d162cvjp7vcmp3

https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/solskjaer-must-be-backed-in-transfer-market-if-man-utd-want-top-two-finish-neville

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

It is hard to understand from the transfer activities of Manchester City so far. They have weak defense system and that weakness destroys their opportunity in Champions League.

In addition, Manchester City's boss hope to much on Pep. but he likely is a problem of the club in Champions League. He is a great coach, certainly but after he left Barcelona, and especially since the day he took over the coach position in Manchester City, he made very strange decisions (start squads) in important knock-out matches.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

These are the early odds for the new season, to be Champions of Europe.

I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

I don’t get this either but maybe is the fact that they have a coach like Guardiola who has won the Champions before and they have also some really good players.However the facts have shown that Manchester City has always suffered after the group rounds of the Champions League.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 10, 2020, 03:19:50 AM

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I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

Maybe they thinking it will possible to Pep bring City to final next season. For me, since only Real Madrid can keep the title in two seasons till today, i don't think if Bayern can become the champion for the next season. Liverpool maybe can bring something for the next since they have good squad.

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