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September 04, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
I also think that in the end the great Messi will go to play in the Premier League, Manchester City is the team that currently can afford it, difficult for him to go to Real Madrid, it would be a hard blow for the Barcelona fans, even if anything can happen, I still remember the passage of Figo from Barcelona to Real Madrid. Messi will hardly go to play in Italy or France

Inter can affort it too. Chinese man have many money.. Smiley and he can spent it
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September 04, 2020, 09:00:24 AM
@babo Messi is very close to joining Manchester City, and while this deal will prove to be an expensive transfer for them, yet I’m sure that they’ll approve it. Furthermore this deal will also mean that Pep will have to commit for at least two or three years, so you see it’s a win - win situation for Manchester City. Lastly according to rumours Messi is signing a 5 year contract with them i.e. he’ll play 3 years in the premier league, and next 2 year’s he’ll play for City owned Major League Soccer side New York City FC.
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep. In the Europe, there are only 2 big and rich clubs that can meet demand of Messi, PSG and Man City. Pep won't move to PSG so Messi has only choice to make.

With all of his love for Barcelona, I don't think he will move to Real Madrid.  Grin

Manchester City is already a strong club and they are lack of X-factor. The factor can be Messi. If the transfer will be made, what to wait for the Champions League new season. The clash between Barcelona and Manchester City, why not? I wait to see the reaction and emotion of Messi if he scores goals in clash with Barcelona. Will tear be dropped like Batistuta did when he scored against the club he loves (Fiorentina)?

I absolutely agree with you, at this point surely the team towards which the great Messi will head will be just that, Manchester City.
I don't even think he can ever go to Real Madrid, I don't see him there as a player: the old-fans would hate him. But is a interesting novel Cheesy

I also think that in the end the great Messi will go to play in the Premier League, Manchester City is the team that currently can afford it, difficult for him to go to Real Madrid, it would be a hard blow for the Barcelona fans, even if anything can happen, I still remember the passage of Figo from Barcelona to Real Madrid. Messi will hardly go to play in Italy or France
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September 04, 2020, 08:24:48 AM
According to rumors, Messi remains for another year. More details will be available later. It will be interesting how he will play next season and how Koeman will get along with him.
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September 04, 2020, 04:27:06 AM
I agree with you in general. Messi and Pep combo is the key, not so much Man City, though the quality and depth it has is a clear advantage for Pep. Pep knows how to use Messi and he will adjust both Messi and tactics to produce. It will be instant as you said, cause they both know how to do it, plus Man City is already like Barca 2, with more substance.

That's right, you are both right! I also agree, it is the combination of these two professionals that creates a powerful synergy: Pep and Leo Messi.
It often happens that a coach has his own reference players with whom he works very well: it is absolutely normal, indeed.
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September 03, 2020, 04:16:38 PM
Pep is always tinkering with his squad and I am sure he already has everything figured out in his head. If Messi goes to City there will be adjustments from both parties but I expect them to click and produce results almost immediately. I am thinking Pep would play Messi as a false 9, while at Barca he destroyed Real in one game with Messi playing just that position. City has world class players on the flanks and this kind of tactics would suit them perfectly. If Aguero isn't fit striker position is a bit weak, Jesus never really shined there so this is another point for false 9 theory.

Only problem is Messi defensive running, he has been outputting seriously low numbers in this category, worse and worse every year. That could possibly prove a problem for City.


I agree with you in general. Messi and Pep combo is the key, not so much Man City, though the quality and depth it has is a clear advantage for Pep. Pep knows how to use Messi and he will adjust both Messi and tactics to produce. It will be instant as you said, cause they both know how to do it, plus Man City is already like Barca 2, with more substance.
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September 03, 2020, 02:54:59 PM
UEFA has already made that decision.
UEFA has actually shown that they don’t care at all about fair play or the interests of all clubs but only that the competition ends at all cost.
I think we will have an irregular competition in which some clubs due to stricter rules in some countries about coronavirus will not even get a chance to play and may lose by lottery instead of on the field.
It's a huge scandal.

I understand you frustration but how would you handle the situation? Let's say a team has to go into quarantine for two weeks and can't attend the match? So would you simply reschedule the match to a date two weeks later? What about other competitions either one of the teams is attending that are planned at the new date? Like matches in the league or a national cup? What if after two weeks the other team suffers from a Covid19 outbreak and has to go into quarantine?

The calender for every club and the players is already so stuffed. If there are games that need to be moved, it can mess up the whole thing.

(My solution: Let the coaches play a BO3 FIFA match to decide  Grin)

Sorry but I don't think you understand what the real problem is here. The problem is actually in the double standards of UEFA, because they obviously apply different rules and standards to big clubs compared to the rules they apply to small clubs.
So that I don’t have to repeat everything now, read my previous post to understand what the real problem is with this decision:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55088896

Do any of you seriously think that a situation can happen at all that a match of a big club like Real, Barcelona, Juve can't be played and the winner is decided by lottery?
Even if such an opportunity arose, UEFA would do anything to solve such a dangerous situation for them, to avoid losing big money and for the match to be played at any cost and anywhere.
Has everyone already forgotten how UEFA allowed Atletico to play the Champions League quarter-final match in Portugal?
On the other hand, for small clubs like these two clubs from Kosovo or a club from Slovakia, these rules don't apply and no one in UEFA cares about them and their fate.
UEFA will simply exclude small clubs from the competition or decide on the winner through a lottery, which is something they will never even try to practice with big clubs.
For me, this is a classic example of UEFA's double standards and hypocrisy.

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September 03, 2020, 01:56:18 PM
UEFA has already made that decision.
UEFA has actually shown that they don’t care at all about fair play or the interests of all clubs but only that the competition ends at all cost.
I think we will have an irregular competition in which some clubs due to stricter rules in some countries about coronavirus will not even get a chance to play and may lose by lottery instead of on the field.
It's a huge scandal.

I understand you frustration but how would you handle the situation? Let's say a team has to go into quarantine for two weeks and can't attend the match? So would you simply reschedule the match to a date two weeks later? What about other competitions either one of the teams is attending that are planned at the new date? Like matches in the league or a national cup? What if after two weeks the other team suffers from a Covid19 outbreak and has to go into quarantine?

The calender for every club and the players is already so stuffed. If there are games that need to be moved, it can mess up the whole thing.

(My solution: Let the coaches play a BO3 FIFA match to decide  Grin)
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September 03, 2020, 12:13:53 PM
@babo Messi is very close to joining Manchester City, and while this deal will prove to be an expensive transfer for them, yet I’m sure that they’ll approve it. Furthermore this deal will also mean that Pep will have to commit for at least two or three years, so you see it’s a win - win situation for Manchester City. Lastly according to rumours Messi is signing a 5 year contract with them i.e. he’ll play 3 years in the premier league, and next 2 year’s he’ll play for City owned Major League Soccer side New York City FC.
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep. In the Europe, there are only 2 big and rich clubs that can meet demand of Messi, PSG and Man City. Pep won't move to PSG so Messi has only choice to make.

With all of his love for Barcelona, I don't think he will move to Real Madrid.  Grin

Manchester City is already a strong club and they are lack of X-factor. The factor can be Messi. If the transfer will be made, what to wait for the Champions League new season. The clash between Barcelona and Manchester City, why not? I wait to see the reaction and emotion of Messi if he scores goals in clash with Barcelona. Will tear be dropped like Batistuta did when he scored against the club he loves (Fiorentina)?

I absolutely agree with you, at this point surely the team towards which the great Messi will head will be just that, Manchester City.
I don't even think he can ever go to Real Madrid, I don't see him there as a player: the old-fans would hate him. But is a interesting novel Cheesy
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September 03, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

This is so old school. Before May 30, 1970, games were decided by drawing lots or by coin tossing. Only when Karl Wald invented the penalty shootout did it become fairer. The first big tournament was decided through penalty: The European Championship 1976 between CSSR and Germany.

I don't believe that they are going to turn again to these rules.
After all, there are a lot of money that hide behind the result of a match.
It would be really unfair and will financially devastate the looser of the game.

UEFA has already made that decision.
UEFA has actually shown that they don’t care at all about fair play or the interests of all clubs but only that the competition ends at all cost.
I think we will have an irregular competition in which some clubs due to stricter rules in some countries about coronavirus will not even get a chance to play and may lose by lottery instead of on the field.
It's a huge scandal.
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September 03, 2020, 11:13:25 AM
So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

This is so old school. Before May 30, 1970, games were decided by drawing lots or by coin tossing. Only when Karl Wald invented the penalty shootout did it become fairer. The first big tournament was decided through penalty: The European Championship 1976 between CSSR and Germany.

I don't believe that they are going to turn again to these rules.
After all, there are a lot of money that hide behind the result of a match.
It would be really unfair and will financially devastate the looser of the game.
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September 03, 2020, 09:10:14 AM
So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

This is so old school. Before May 30, 1970, games were decided by drawing lots or by coin tossing. Only when Karl Wald invented the penalty shootout did it become fairer. The first big tournament was decided through penalty: The European Championship 1976 between CSSR and Germany.
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September 03, 2020, 06:41:07 AM
So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

I think, as in the case with the Kosovans versus the Irish teams, where the Kosovo team was first given a chance to get a new team together but still failed to show up, then they were rightly punished by forfeiture (as it was their fault). So I think the lottery system can only be acceptable if BOTH teams agree. Controversial maybe but if both agree, who can argue?
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September 03, 2020, 04:41:38 AM
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep.

I doubt that Messi can really help Manchester City. He is 33 and English football is different from the one he used to know in Spain. The game system would have to be adapted to him, which means that ManCity would have to change its current system. That would be bad for a well-rehearsed team. Besides, it would take at least a season to make it work. By then Messi will be 34, almost 35, and none of this will work.


I can't agree with your thought. He is now 33 but he has still good fitness. I hope he can easily serve the team 2 or 3 years. Although English football is totally different than Spanish.  I think English gameplay is faster than Spanish. It will take some time for Messi adopt to English football. But I hope, Messi has the ability to adopt himself to the situation.
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September 03, 2020, 04:33:13 AM
I doubt that Messi can really help Manchester City. He is 33 and English football is different from the one he used to know in Spain. The game system would have to be adapted to him, which means that ManCity would have to change its current system. That would be bad for a well-rehearsed team. Besides, it would take at least a season to make it work. By then Messi will be 34, almost 35, and none of this will work.
There are some successful Spanish or La Liga players in Premier League: David Silva, Kun Aguero, Jesus Navas, Santi Carzola so I think the genius player like Messi can play well in Premier League. You made a point here that Manchester City need Messi for the Champions League, not Premier League and they only need him for their first Champions League trophy. Second or third trophy is a too far scenario to think of.

I don't want Messi leaving Barcelona on a personal note/ground but I don't agree that Messi won't adapt to Manchester city. He had played under pep the in Barcelona and the football is not far off from Manchester city style. Ronaldo went to juventus and still playing good football -not at the peak as RONALDO- age but his game is good. Messi would still play good football even if he is to play on the moon, -he has nothing to prove -
No one want to see the transfer (Messi probably did not want too) but it is life and it will very probably happen. If Messi decides to leave Barcelona, and if the transfer happens eventually I can bet with you the first club in Messi's mind is Manchester City where Pep is currently managing the squad.
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September 03, 2020, 04:29:58 AM
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep.

I doubt that Messi can really help Manchester City. He is 33 and English football is different from the one he used to know in Spain. The game system would have to be adapted to him, which means that ManCity would have to change its current system. That would be bad for a well-rehearsed team. Besides, it would take at least a season to make it work. By then Messi will be 34, almost 35, and none of this will work.

Pep is always tinkering with his squad and I am sure he already has everything figured out in his head. If Messi goes to City there will be adjustments from both parties but I expect them to click and produce results almost immediately. I am thinking Pep would play Messi as a false 9, while at Barca he destroyed Real in one game with Messi playing just that position. City has world class players on the flanks and this kind of tactics would suit them perfectly. If Aguero isn't fit striker position is a bit weak, Jesus never really shined there so this is another point for false 9 theory.

Only problem is Messi defensive running, he has been outputting seriously low numbers in this category, worse and worse every year. That could possibly prove a problem for City.
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September 03, 2020, 04:25:19 AM
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep.

I doubt that Messi can really help Manchester City. He is 33 and English football is different from the one he used to know in Spain. The game system would have to be adapted to him, which means that ManCity would have to change its current system. That would be bad for a well-rehearsed team. Besides, it would take at least a season to make it work. By then Messi will be 34, almost 35, and none of this will work.
I don't want Messi leaving Barcelona on a personal note/ground but I don't agree that Messi won't adapt to Manchester city. He had played under pep the in Barcelona and the football is not far off from Manchester city style. Ronaldo went to juventus and still playing good football -not at the peak as RONALDO- age but his game is good. Messi would still play good football even if he is to play on the moon, -he has nothing to prove -
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September 03, 2020, 04:03:39 AM
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep.

I doubt that Messi can really help Manchester City. He is 33 and English football is different from the one he used to know in Spain. The game system would have to be adapted to him, which means that ManCity would have to change its current system. That would be bad for a well-rehearsed team. Besides, it would take at least a season to make it work. By then Messi will be 34, almost 35, and none of this will work.
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September 03, 2020, 03:00:09 AM
@babo Messi is very close to joining Manchester City, and while this deal will prove to be an expensive transfer for them, yet I’m sure that they’ll approve it. Furthermore this deal will also mean that Pep will have to commit for at least two or three years, so you see it’s a win - win situation for Manchester City. Lastly according to rumours Messi is signing a 5 year contract with them i.e. he’ll play 3 years in the premier league, and next 2 year’s he’ll play for City owned Major League Soccer side New York City FC.
Messi in very end of his career does not want to gamble with a strange coach whom he has not yet worked with before. So from this point of view, Pep is the best coach for Messi. Pep won't leave Manchester City so Messi will come to join the party with Pep. In the Europe, there are only 2 big and rich clubs that can meet demand of Messi, PSG and Man City. Pep won't move to PSG so Messi has only choice to make.

With all of his love for Barcelona, I don't think he will move to Real Madrid.  Grin

Manchester City is already a strong club and they are lack of X-factor. The factor can be Messi. If the transfer will be made, what to wait for the Champions League new season. The clash between Barcelona and Manchester City, why not? I wait to see the reaction and emotion of Messi if he scores goals in clash with Barcelona. Will tear be dropped like Batistuta did when he scored against the club he loves (Fiorentina)?
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September 03, 2020, 12:16:32 AM
A board member Piero Ausilio of Inter said in an official statement that every team in the world would love to welcome Messi however Inter for the moment is not capable of such transfer possibility.So Inter is excluded from Inter.Bigger chances are in Manchester City in the Premier League.

babo heaves a sigh Peccato (in english, damn).
It would have been nice, but I understand that it's not an easy thing to close this deal. It will certainly be as you say, it will go to the Premier league.
I like Messi, let's hope he comes back to show (with socer ball).

@babo Messi is very close to joining Manchester City, and while this deal will prove to be an expensive transfer for them, yet I’m sure that they’ll approve it. Furthermore this deal will also mean that Pep will have to commit for at least two or three years, so you see it’s a win - win situation for Manchester City. Lastly according to rumours Messi is signing a 5 year contract with them i.e. he’ll play 3 years in the premier league, and next 2 year’s he’ll play for City owned Major League Soccer side New York City FC.

Sources:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12556672/messi-man-city-contract-barcelona-transfer-dad/

https://www.si.com/soccer/manchestercity/news/pep-guardiola-looking-like-he-has-signed-man-city-contract-extension-unconfirmed-reports

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8675017/Lionel-Messis-potential-Manchester-City-shatter-financial-commercial-industry.html

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September 02, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?
I don't think it would be right decision. There was quite many teams in qualifying rounds which had multiple positive covid-19 tests and were unable to play. But UEFA didn't used lottery to decide winners. For example Slovan and 2 teams from Kosovo were unable to play, so their opponents simply got awarded with 3:0 wins and they were moved to next round. It's harsh, but right decision IMO.
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