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Quote from: hd49728 on September 10, 2020, 03:29:47 AM

True and it is what Messi said in the interview with Goal. Koeman is a great coach and can build up good team with young players. I think the role of Messi is one more season to help Barcelona and Koeman to make a smooth transition and then next season (2021 - 2022) Messi can be free and join another club. It will be better for both Messi and the club because with Messi appearance, younger players will be restricted for free growth.

Even if Messi feels better and happy after end of next season, I still think he should leave the club. Many legend players left their clubs like that, Raul Gonzalez, Iker Cassilas, and some players in Barcelona, Xavi, Iniesta.

When a season ends, and unfortunately it happens, we have to clean up and start from scratch. I am not saying that eliminating Messi is cleaning, but obviously for a healthy regrowth new people are needed who want to do. Messi seems tired to me and he too needs fresh air and new stimuli.
I want Messi in my team, but if i'm coach of barcellona, i dont want Messi. He's tired.

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I still can’t figure out why Man City are favourites every season, they’ve never even got to a final & Pep hasn’t got to a final since he left Barcelona.

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Quote from: babo on September 10, 2020, 02:54:44 AM

Exactly, especially when you already have a lot of money (as in the case of our football player).
I don't think Messi is starving, absolutely. But I think he is interested in making many records, and in winning other awards.

True and it is what Messi said in the interview with Goal. Koeman is a great coach and can build up good team with young players. I think the role of Messi is one more season to help Barcelona and Koeman to make a smooth transition and then next season (2021 - 2022) Messi can be free and join another club. It will be better for both Messi and the club because with Messi appearance, younger players will be restricted for free growth.

Even if Messi feels better and happy after end of next season, I still think he should leave the club. Many legend players left their clubs like that, Raul Gonzalez, Iker Cassilas, and some players in Barcelona, Xavi, Iniesta.

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Quote from: hulla on September 09, 2020, 07:28:51 AM

Even for a common individual, money is not always everything and there are something that are more important than what we want in other for peace to reign this was what Guardiola went to Camp Nou when majority of people thought it was because to complete the Messi transfer deal.

Exactly, especially when you already have a lot of money (as in the case of our football player).
I don't think Messi is starving, absolutely. But I think he is interested in making many records, and in winning other awards.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 09, 2020, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on September 07, 2020, 11:23:46 AM

Messi is still fast that he hasn't the endurance to make a lot of sprints.
He can still make the difference in this team due to his amazing technique.
The reason why Barca do not win a lot of title isn't Messi but the problem is in other positions.

If only my messi is relied on, then I'm sure the team will not be strong in defense and still other positions need to be applied accordingly. Barcelona only relies on Messi's attack with his best tactics but I don't think that's enough to win titles and even lose many titles.
If Barcelona are still keeping it then there needs to be a change. I'm sure Koeman can do this and win again as expected.

Koeman is a good coach. We don't know what his plans are for the Barcelona team. Barcelona's defense line up is just worse now. They need some good defender. On the other hand, Barcelona had some good mid fielders. But Barcelona's management has release Rakitich and Vidal from the team. we don't know Koeman will choose whom for replacement of them. I think in this season, Barcelona team will fully dependent on Messi. Obviously, Messi is a legendary player. We always expect a lot from him. But a team can never get good results in one's performance. All players need to play well from their own position to win.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on September 07, 2020, 11:23:46 AM

Messi is still fast that he hasn't the endurance to make a lot of sprints.
He can still make the difference in this team due to his amazing technique.
The reason why Barca do not win a lot of title isn't Messi but the problem is in other positions.

If only my messi is relied on, then I'm sure the team will not be strong in defense and still other positions need to be applied accordingly. Barcelona only relies on Messi's attack with his best tactics but I don't think that's enough to win titles and even lose many titles.
If Barcelona are still keeping it then there needs to be a change. I'm sure Koeman can do this and win again as expected.

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Quote from: babo on September 09, 2020, 05:03:28 AM

Quote from: hulla on September 08, 2020, 05:24:39 PM

You're completely right. Although Messi's manager was his father but he was the one that makes Messi have a change of heart when he decided to move to Man United due to the problematic false allegation said about him by the club board despite all his commitment to the club.

Obviously the father decides for the sake of the son, what better manager one can hope to have.
Sometimes money is not everything, having money and being hated by all your fans is not a good thing.. and when you are already rich, these things matter.

Even for a common individual, money is not always everything and there are something that are more important than what we want in other for peace to reign this was what Guardiola went to Camp Nou when majority of people thought it was because to complete the Messi transfer deal.

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Quote from: hulla on September 08, 2020, 05:24:39 PM

You're completely right. Although Messi's manager was his father but he was the one that makes Messi have a change of heart when he decided to move to Man United due to the problematic false allegation said about him by the club board despite all his commitment to the club.

Obviously the father decides for the sake of the son, what better manager one can hope to have.
Sometimes money is not everything, having money and being hated by all your fans is not a good thing.. and when you are already rich, these things matter.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

In top leagues a player playing to forty plus years is unheard of, goal keepers can -buffon- let's not run the time/age limits of Messi playing football. There are other things that can stop or put to end the professional playing football career of a player
+ Injuries and reoccurring effect of surgeries
+ Club/personal/families-this mostly family opinion- the club/personal can be problems.

Even the players want to keep playing these and more can make them have a changed heart

You're completely right. Although Messi's manager was his father but he was the one that makes Messi have a change of heart when he decided to move to Man United due to the problematic false allegation said about him by the club board despite all his commitment to the club.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 08, 2020, 07:16:45 AM

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In top leagues a player playing to forty plus years is unheard of, goal keepers can -buffon- let's not run the time/age limits of Messi playing football. There are other things that can stop or put to end the professional playing football career of a player
+ Injuries and reoccurring effect of surgeries
+ Club/personal/families-this mostly family opinion- the club/personal can be problems.

Even the players want to keep playing these and more can make them have a changed heart

Many contributive factors (as said): ambition in the football leauge, season, happiness when playing football, sudden injuries and effects from injuries and surgeries, family effects. Many things.

Regarding to injuries that force great players to end their career, at least I know Van Basten. He is at his highest form before his ankle injury. Some players like Batistuta has longer career but after his retirement, he has many physical troubles with past injuries from football.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marco-van-basten-reveals-rangers-21600633
https://www.espn.com/soccer/argentina/story/3155942/gabriel-batistuta-has-difficulty-walking-after-retiring-from-football

That second article about Batistuta was an interesting read. Playing professional football for the most part of their lives, it certainly leaves a mark on your body. But that it can really be that bad ... Horrible.

With examples like Batistuta in mind and the increasing pace in modern football over the last decade, it's no wonder that we see more and more players retiring rather early. Benedikt Höwedes (32) and André Schürrle (29) are just the most recent examples that came to my mind. So that Messi will play till his fourties is not gonna to happen. Why would he? He's made enough money for his future generations and won everything with Barca. So why risk his health? If I were him, I would've retired after last season and after this drama with him wanting to leave Barcelona but couldn't.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on September 08, 2020, 05:08:40 AM

In top leagues a player playing to forty plus years is unheard of, goal keepers can -buffon- let's not run the time/age limits of Messi playing football. There are other things that can stop or put to end the professional playing football career of a player
+ Injuries and reoccurring effect of surgeries
+ Club/personal/families-this mostly family opinion- the club/personal can be problems.

Even the players want to keep playing these and more can make them have a changed heart

Many contributive factors (as said): ambition in the football leauge, season, happiness when playing football, sudden injuries and effects from injuries and surgeries, family effects. Many things.

Regarding to injuries that force great players to end their career, at least I know Van Basten. He is at his highest form before his ankle injury. Some players like Batistuta has longer career but after his retirement, he has many physical troubles with past injuries from football.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marco-van-basten-reveals-rangers-21600633
https://www.espn.com/soccer/argentina/story/3155942/gabriel-batistuta-has-difficulty-walking-after-retiring-from-football

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 06, 2020, 07:54:54 PM

Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

In top leagues a player playing to forty plus years is unheard of, goal keepers can -buffon- let's not run the time/age limits of Messi playing football. There are other things that can stop or put to end the professional playing football career of a player
+ Injuries and reoccurring effect of surgeries
+ Club/personal/families-this mostly family opinion- the club/personal can be problems.

Even the players want to keep playing these and more can make them have a changed heart

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~He's basically the best dribbler, best passer, best finisher I have ever seen. Could play him centre mid and hed still be the best on the planet

Yep, he can play in some position because he isn't only the best finisher. He can make assists very well or support the strikers in the second line of the front line. You are right, he can be placed in center mid or attacking mid who play behind the strikers & wingers. In that position, he doesn't depend on the speed but the accuracy of the assists. I believe he can do it very well.

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The strength of Messi, in my humble opinion, MIND is his really talent.
So even if it were a little slower, it would still be able to make a difference.. because have mind, experience and is a great champion.

I dont like power-only athlete, i prefer minded (like Del Piero).

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 07, 2020, 09:30:01 AM

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 06, 2020, 07:54:54 PM

Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

I have seen it before happening in English and Italian leagues, with players at 40 playing very well. Obviously they are not fast but these players never tend to be about speed in the first place so Messi should do well for many more years, obviously injuries might set in later but he is a well managed player with good diet and exercise, he will be fine:)

Messi is no longer as fast as he used to be and he also helps his team's defence much less than other players in the team.
It's far from the demands of modern football and can only work if the whole team is subseauted to that one player.
However, it has been shown in recent years that such a system no longer works and that Barcelona doesn't win trophies like it once did, especially the Champions League.

Messi is still fast that he hasn't the endurance to make a lot of sprints.
He can still make the difference in this team due to his amazing technique.
The reason why Barca do not win a lot of title isn't Messi but the problem is in other positions.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

I have seen it before happening in English and Italian leagues, with players at 40 playing very well. Obviously they are not fast but these players never tend to be about speed in the first place so Messi should do well for many more years, obviously injuries might set in later but he is a well managed player with good diet and exercise, he will be fine:)

Messi is no longer as fast as he used to be and he also helps his team's defence much less than other players in the team.
It's far from the demands of modern football and can only work if the whole team is subseauted to that one player.
However, it has been shown in recent years that such a system no longer works and that Barcelona doesn't win trophies like it once did, especially the Champions League.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 06, 2020, 07:54:54 PM

Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

I have seen it before happening in English and Italian leagues, with players at 40 playing very well. Obviously they are not fast but these players never tend to be about speed in the first place so Messi should do well for many more years, obviously injuries might set in later but he is a well managed player with good diet and exercise, he will be fine:)

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 06, 2020, 07:54:54 PM

Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

If he won't get serious injuries and has to end his career when he won't want to stop. He can play till his fourties or even fifties like Kazu Miura. It depends on future injuries, his joy in playing football (that I think Messi is abundant with), and which league he will play at his last seasons.

One of greatest players in history can play at any league (except top leagues in Europe) at end of career. Newell's Old Boys is not bad for Messi at his fourties.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53977255
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuyoshi_Miura

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2020, 03:12:22 AM

Messi can play well till his fourties if he want but I am not sure he will play well in Premier League after his 35s.

I doubt if he will play till forties. 38 may be the last age for him to play in a football match. But it is purely our speculation, we don't know what he already plans for his career in the old age. But I disagree to underestimate him to play in Premier League. Never judge that he won't play well till he tries to play there for one season at least.

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Quote from: kassex on September 05, 2020, 09:50:20 AM

I think Messi will not go anywhere. ~~~ Plus Messi will age one year and hardly anyone will need it as a player, although his name will still work for marketing.

Who knows? You must know that age isn't a big problem if the player still can take advantage of the team. Even if Messi will age one year more, I am pretty sure that the interest from other clubs won't disappear. Look at Zlatan Ibrahimović, he was already more than 35 years old but AC Milan still bought him on the previous transfer season (Jan 2, 2020). As long as Messi has no problem with his physical health, then there is always a chance for him to move.

If Messi leaves for Milan, Inter or Juventus, he may be able to show something. But then he will have to say goodbye to the dream of winning the Champions League once again. Agree that Italian clubs in the next couple of years cannot claim victory in the Champions League. But Messi wants to move to Manchester City in a league where physical strength is the main ingredient for any player. Can Messi keep up with the pace of the English championship? I doubt it.

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