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Quote from: swogerino on September 02, 2020, 05:15:05 AM

A board member Piero Ausilio of Inter said in an official statement that every team in the world would love to welcome Messi however Inter for the moment is not capable of such transfer possibility.So Inter is excluded from Inter.Bigger chances are in Manchester City in the Premier League.

babo heaves a sigh Peccato (in english, damn).
It would have been nice, but I understand that it's not an easy thing to close this deal. It will certainly be as you say, it will go to the Premier league.
I like Messi, let's hope he comes back to show (with socer ball).

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Quote from: masulum on September 01, 2020, 06:18:35 PM

Quote from: kassex on September 01, 2020, 02:19:21 PM

Nowadays, very few clubs can afford to wait several years for success. There will be no such as the great Ferguson. Many coaches themselves do not want to work in one place for a long time. Many have a plan for 3-5 years.

3-5 years is okay, because for the 1 and 2 years will become time to try developing team. Many coach don't want to be a coach for long time because board management intervenes or is too involved in the selection / transfer of players and targets something that makes the coach want to left.

The level of intervention in the coach's affairs is determined by the coach himself. If he allows it, then he is hardly a good coach. Strong coaches will never go for this. Show weakness to the coach is contraindicated.

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Quote from: -CryptoViking- on August 31, 2020, 05:12:40 PM

Russia pot 2? Based on what? Their league is not strong enough to get that position.

Well, champions of Russia and Portugal are in 1st pot not without a reason. It's determined by UEFA country coefficients. Russia and Portugal have good ranking and it goes instantly after TOP 5 leagues (EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1).

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there's 3 coefficients that is used to determine men's football competitions in UEFA.

National team coefficient: used to rank national teams.
Country coefficient: used to rank the collective performance of the clubs of each member association, for assigning the number of places, and at what stage clubs enter the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and the UEFA Europa Conference League
Club coefficient: used to rank individual clubs, for seeding in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 01, 2020, 03:00:34 PM

So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

I am not a fan of that decision with the new rule but I can understand their reasons for it: Every game that has to be postponed throws the schedule for all teams completely off track. The season would have to be extended and extended again. And this way it would be impossible to get back to normality.

But I do not expect that the rule will have to be applied anyway. We already had Covid19 cases in the previous season and (luckily) it was never that bad so a team couldn't attend their match. And for the case that a lottery has to decide which team to win, both teams would've been unable to attend the match. As long as the clubs and players keep following the hygiene regulations, I am quite optimistic.

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Quote from: babo on September 02, 2020, 05:01:05 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on September 02, 2020, 03:48:30 AM

If he joins Inter or Serie A in general it would be the most interesting transfer that he can make.
We are going to see Messi and Ronaldo again in the same league competing to each other.

It would really be a dream, it would be very beautiful. Two great champions fighting each other, the show would be something magical!
Let's hope the Chinese billionaires understand the deal. It would be an enrichment for everyone, not just for them.

A board member Piero Ausilio of Inter said in an official statement that every team in the world would love to welcome Messi however Inter for the moment is not capable of such transfer possibility.So Inter is excluded from Inter.Bigger chances are in Manchester City in the Premier League.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on September 02, 2020, 03:48:30 AM

If he joins Inter or Serie A in general it would be the most interesting transfer that he can make.
We are going to see Messi and Ronaldo again in the same league competing to each other.

It would really be a dream, it would be very beautiful. Two great champions fighting each other, the show would be something magical!
Let's hope the Chinese billionaires understand the deal. It would be an enrichment for everyone, not just for them.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 01, 2020, 09:45:52 AM

^ Don't underestimate the Chinese billionaires who back Inter. Grin

Milan is where I actually think Messi was going after his contract ends at Barca next year with his dad buying a house there and prolly starting to settle there and all.

If City isn't successful in acquiring Messi in this transfer window, he's prolly going to Inter next summer.

If he joins Inter or Serie A in general it would be the most interesting transfer that he can make.
We are going to see Messi and Ronaldo again in the same league competing to each other.

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Quote from: kassex on September 01, 2020, 02:19:21 PM

Nowadays, very few clubs can afford to wait several years for success. There will be no such as the great Ferguson. Many coaches themselves do not want to work in one place for a long time. Many have a plan for 3-5 years.

3-5 years is okay, because for the 1 and 2 years will become time to try developing team. Many coach don't want to be a coach for long time because board management intervenes or is too involved in the selection / transfer of players and targets something that makes the coach want to left.

Quote from: Daniel91 on September 01, 2020, 03:00:34 PM

So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

I think this rules look like what happen in the walk out matches. The team who left the game will be lose.

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I don't know if anyone is aware of that here, but UEFA has just made some very important and no so popular decisions about continuing the competition.
Given that it has already been shown in several cases that some matches in European club competitions had to be postponed and even canceled completely, due to players infected with coronavirus, UEFA has made decisions on how to deal with these situations in the future.
You can see all the new rules here: https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0260-1043693afa4e-40877a739cf7-1000--uefa-executive-committee-approves-new-principles/
The rules address various possible situations that may occur in the competition and the most controversial rule is the following:
3) if the match cannot be rescheduled, the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body will take a decision on the matter. The national association that is responsible for the match not taking place or not being played in full will be declared to have forfeited the match by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body unless the latter comes to the conclusion that both or none of the teams is/are responsible for the match not taking place or not being played in full, meaning the match cannot be declared as forfeited. If the match cannot be declared as forfeited, the outcome of the match will be decided by drawing of lots (i.e. win 1-0, loss 0-1 or draw 0-0) carried out by the UEFA administration;

So, it is possible that UEFA will use a lottery to decide who won a match, which is a highly controversial decision.
What do you think?

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Quote from: masulum on September 01, 2020, 03:23:24 AM

Quote from: kassex on September 01, 2020, 03:01:10 AM

Financially rich clubs can win the Champions League once with money and that's it. Building a team that can dominate for several years requires not only finances, but also a smart coach and manager.You also need to pay attention to the philosophy of the club and select coaches and players for this philosophy.

Yes, they need several years to build a good team with solid team work. But, see what happen with several clubs in EPL, Serie-A, La Liga most of richest clubs there mostly want to have a a solid team instantly. When the coach fail to bring a trophy, they are sacked. Or, after they are fail to bring another trophy, they are also very easy to get sacked by clubs owner. They must learn to Manchester United in Ferguson era, when he can't bring a trophy, MU still believe in his capability as their coach. When he found a good formula for their team, MU can be a EPL or UEFA Champions winner.

Nowadays, very few clubs can afford to wait several years for success. There will be no such as the great Ferguson. Many coaches themselves do not want to work in one place for a long time. Many have a plan for 3-5 years.

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^ Don't underestimate the Chinese billionaires who back Inter. Grin

Milan is where I actually think Messi was going after his contract ends at Barca next year with his dad buying a house there and prolly starting to settle there and all.

If City isn't successful in acquiring Messi in this transfer window, he's prolly going to Inter next summer.

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Do you really think that Inter can buy Messi? the price is really very high, probably too high for this kind of operation. In my opinion the story is not over yet, there will be more news.
I would very much like to see Messi play in Italy, we hope it can happen.

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Quote from: MCobian on August 31, 2020, 07:46:27 PM

I also agree that it is not easy for the new Barcelona coach to make improvements to the game in a team as big as Barcelona,
especially Barcelona's appearance in the Champions League in 2019/2020 is arguably quite bad. But if you look at Koeman's
experience, Barcelona should be able to become Europa's best team again. Although it is not enough to just rely on purchasing
top players, because the adaptation of each player is different. Here it takes the role of a coach to implement the right strategy.

They've been horrendous for three or four seasons in a row now in UCL, I mean some great Messi performances as usual but when his team is down he can't always pick them up. I have no choice but to support Koeman now so I hope he gets the same support from the governance as he did with Netherlands... time will tell. He's a man manager too so who knows?

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Quote from: DeathAngel on August 31, 2020, 02:39:10 PM

I’ve been reading that Barcelona think they have a solid case that if Messi leaves his release cause of €700,000,000 must be paid. Messi thinks he can leave on a free transfer. Expect this saga to rumble on, it’s not looking pretty.

I would not speak of saga but of drama.. these disputes are childish and just make me laugh so much.
To me, as a fan, it doesn't matter if they fight, I want to see the show! This childish fight isnt good.
We hope they will free Messi rather, it makes no sense to keep him against will..

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hmph..

Quote from: kassex on September 01, 2020, 03:01:10 AM

Financially rich clubs can win the Champions League once with money and that's it. Building a team that can dominate for several years requires not only finances, but also a smart coach and manager.You also need to pay attention to the philosophy of the club and select coaches and players for this philosophy.

Yes, they need several years to build a good team with solid team work. But, see what happen with several clubs in EPL, Serie-A, La Liga most of richest clubs there mostly want to have a a solid team instantly. When the coach fail to bring a trophy, they are sacked. Or, after they are fail to bring another trophy, they are also very easy to get sacked by clubs owner. They must learn to Manchester United in Ferguson era, when he can't bring a trophy, MU still believe in his capability as their coach. When he found a good formula for their team, MU can be a EPL or UEFA Champions winner.

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Quote from: masulum on August 31, 2020, 10:45:47 AM

Quote from: kassex on August 31, 2020, 10:27:28 AM

Many Barcelona players are not the same as they were before. They can still sometimes give perfect matches, but this will be rare. So I think their departure is even better for Barcelona. The most important thing is to give the coach at least three years. Then maybe we will see the result.

Klubs who have good financial will not wait 3 years to improve the condition of the team, especially for the Champions League title. They want to keep fighting for winning every matches, so it's impossible for them to keep a coach who has failed in one season. Anda sometimes unrealistic targets shown by the club owners or official make them hard to build up their team. They prioritize the power of money to recruit any coach they like than club development.

Financially rich clubs can win the Champions League once with money and that's it. Building a team that can dominate for several years requires not only finances, but also a smart coach and manager.You also need to pay attention to the philosophy of the club and select coaches and players for this philosophy.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on August 31, 2020, 07:13:12 PM

Quote from: masulum on August 31, 2020, 06:52:00 PM

~buying talented players because they have a money, success to buy but the players can play as barca style. Of course they will develop it but it will not instantly get the players as they think.

You are right. They can buy top players in the transfer season, but there is no guarantee that the players can play their best instantly. We have seen many players who have difficulties playing their best in the Barcelona team. Griezmann and Coutinho are two examples of top players who have difficulties to play at their best performance in Barcelona. Koeman really has a hard job for the next season.

I also agree that it is not easy for the new Barcelona coach to make improvements to the game in a team as big as Barcelona,
especially Barcelona's appearance in the Champions League in 2019/2020 is arguably quite bad. But if you look at Koeman's
experience, Barcelona should be able to become Europa's best team again. Although it is not enough to just rely on purchasing
top players, because the adaptation of each player is different. Here it takes the role of a coach to implement the right strategy.

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Quote from: masulum on August 31, 2020, 06:52:00 PM

~buying talented players because they have a money, success to buy but the players can play as barca style. Of course they will develop it but it will not instantly get the players as they think.

You are right. They can buy top players in the transfer season, but there is no guarantee that the players can play their best instantly. We have seen many players who have difficulties playing their best in the Barcelona team. Griezmann and Coutinho are two examples of top players who have difficulties to play at their best performance in Barcelona. Koeman really has a hard job for the next season.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 31, 2020, 11:30:17 AM

Barca need a complete squad overhaul, many of their best performing (in recent years) players are past their best. It won’t be done in one transfer window but they will build a squad to be competitive again.

Yeah, it will need a time, but lets see what happens in barca last season, buying talented players because they have a money, success to buy but the players can play as barca style. Of course they will develop it but it will not instantly get the players as they think.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 31, 2020, 02:32:55 PM

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if Barcelona’s team management want something good for the club, they have to rearrange the whole team, it will take much time.

Exactly, UCL Next season will be hard for Barcelona. They need to rebuild their team. Koeman have a lot of task must be done in the first year as Barca coach, if he failed, he will be fired.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 31, 2020, 06:14:24 PM

Well, champions of Russia and Portugal are in 1st pot not without a reason. It's determined by UEFA country coefficients. Russia and Portugal have good ranking and it goes instantly after TOP 5 leagues (EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1).
BTW, today draw of 3rd qualifying round was made. There will be some decent games like PAOK - Benfica or Dynamo Kyiv - AZ Alkmar:
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0260-10312e3b1b29-c5ac83541e98-1000--third-qualifying-round-draw/

I look like a total jackass now, but it's my own fault. I'm was really surprised when I saw you saying they are in pot 1 already. Even a bit upset lol

Then I came back to my senses...remembered CSKA results years back and then how much money is there in he league too and they always have a club in late stages of Europa league at least. This was my brain fart, previous post, when I'm looking at it now I can't believe I thought that and then wrote it...

About the upcoming matches I hope there will be some upsets and that Dinamo ZG won't be among those, but it is not looking good for my team.

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