⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers

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Quote from: Lidger on July 25, 2024, 01:24:02 PM

I have heard rumors that Guardiola will leave Manchester City to take charge of another club but this is the first time I have heard that he will take charge of the England national team. The chances of taking charge of the England national team are very low and whoever is currently in charge of the England national team is certainly doing well and the England national team management will trust him.

If someone had discussed that Guardiola would leave Manchester City and take charge of another team in another league, it might have been acceptable, but the discussion here about his responsibility for the England team I think is completely baseless.

I don't find merit on the rumor that points out that Guardiola will be leaving Manchester City to England national team and I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. Guardiola contract with Man City is still active and will only expire by the end of this season from the information I have. As we are talking about the possibility of Guardiola leaving Manchester City for another team, we should also not roll out the fact that Guardiola may still extend his contract with the Man City club for extra seasons.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 28, 2024, 11:45:52 AM

Guys, it has been 2 weeks already since we watched the finale of Euro 2024. Are you still continuing to discuss on the thread? Grin

I'm even surprised to see the thread still being open.

Then, who is your favourite for England job? There are even special odds opened to bet on:

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The odds for the biggest favourites are these. Potter - Howe - Carsley trio look much closer than the other names. I feel like it will be Potter or Howe. Potter might be more likely because of being free agent.

Graham Potter for sure, I understand Howe has a huge chance too, but those two are definitely the leading candidates, with a third option that will only be considered if these two backs out, if one of these two accepts the job, it's theirs for taking and England would be glad to get them.

You need to realize, you are not going to get a great manager for nation teams, look at all the big national teams, from France to Italy to Germany to England and Brazil and even Argentina, all of them have managers that will not be managers at a high club level, they would barely get a job at a semi decent club at best. Managing a national team is something managers do not want to do, only the ones who want their name to get recognized and move for a better job accept these jobs because they feel like they have no better option.

So in that logic, most of these are not really candidates and only Howe and Potter are the real candidates. I personally prefer Potter because he looks like the better manager but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong, in either case, it's going to be either Howe or Potter without a doubt. The best way to see this would be waiting, but I already made my small bet on Potter.

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Guardiola is a manager who always likes to take on challenges. He will take charge of a club that has no significant success and when he takes charge of that club he will not stay long at the club. Later he will find another club to make that club successful. There is no doubt that he has a good relationship with Manchester City but rest assured that he will leave Manchester City and take charge of another club.

True, but for many different reasons, he has won many things, traveled the world and seen many things and also trained great players. I think the only experience he lacks is coaching a national team, so what better testing ground than coaching England? It could be a good challenge and he loves challenges and getting out of his comfort zone

It will definitely be a different venture for him. Earlier he traveled to different countries and took charge of different clubs in different countries and he brought success to that club but now if there is an offer from England national football team then he might think about taking charge. There have been rumors so we are discussing these things but whether he will take charge of the national team depends entirely on Pep Guardiwala.

As this manager likes to take challenges, if he gets an offer from the England national team, it will definitely be a challenge for him because even though England gave birth to football, they have not achieved much in football so far. If the team wins a major tournament under this manager, it will surely be a matter of great joy for the England national football team.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 31, 2024, 12:09:54 AM

I understand that Pep is great and all, but I highly doubt that he would manage England, while he is I am surely happy at England as Manchester City manager, representing England doesn't really make sense for him. His style takes time, he doesn't just train players for a few days and goes to games and expect everyone to know his style, that is more Ancelotti, he can do that and that's why he is such a great manager too, but what Pep does is mastering everyone at every position on what they do, takes time but can be amazing when it's finally good with every player.

You will see that most players are usually not that amazing when they come to Peps team, they are either already stars, or they are role players, and they end up either better, or they leave with a fight, because Peps insists on one type of playing, and if you don't want that, then you can leave like Ibrahimovic for example.

All in all, I am guessing that it will be very hard for Pep to take on a national team because he has very little time to train with that team, and it would be near impossible to give Pep enough time for that. I think someone with a bit lesser name could do the job, Pep has way too big of a name to manage a national team at this point of his career.

Why shouldn't it? At Fien it is a new challenge, perhaps he would earn little but in my opinion this type of challenge likes Pep Guardiola.
In any case, I have a feeling that we'll find out soon, I predict that something will happen after the holidays. What do you think?

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I understand that Pep is great and all, but I highly doubt that he would manage England, while he is I am surely happy at England as Manchester City manager, representing England doesn't really make sense for him. His style takes time, he doesn't just train players for a few days and goes to games and expect everyone to know his style, that is more Ancelotti, he can do that and that's why he is such a great manager too, but what Pep does is mastering everyone at every position on what they do, takes time but can be amazing when it's finally good with every player.

You will see that most players are usually not that amazing when they come to Peps team, they are either already stars, or they are role players, and they end up either better, or they leave with a fight, because Peps insists on one type of playing, and if you don't want that, then you can leave like Ibrahimovic for example.

All in all, I am guessing that it will be very hard for Pep to take on a national team because he has very little time to train with that team, and it would be near impossible to give Pep enough time for that. I think someone with a bit lesser name could do the job, Pep has way too big of a name to manage a national team at this point of his career.

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Quote from: Hvdv on July 25, 2024, 02:12:25 PM

Guardiola became one of the legendary coaches. Manchester City are like his child right now. That's why I don't think he will leave Manchester City, but he can coach the England national team together with Manchester City. There have been such examples in the past, although I do not find it professional, it is of course a possibility. There is England that reached the final of Euro 2024. I think Southgate is considered successful. I think there is nothing that needs to change.

Southgate didn't do badly, but why stop at the minimum wage when you can do even better. Without taking anything away from Southgate, Pep Guardiola is an exceptional manager and in my opinion not only in his strategies. He manages to make a group of players become a team, this is very important.
I remember that in my beloved Juventus, Claudio Lippi managed to do this, also in the Italian national team (see 2006)

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Quote from: Lidger on July 26, 2024, 12:05:01 AM

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Guardiola is a manager who always likes to take on challenges. He will take charge of a club that has no significant success and when he takes charge of that club he will not stay long at the club. Later he will find another club to make that club successful. There is no doubt that he has a good relationship with Manchester City but rest assured that he will leave Manchester City and take charge of another club.

True, but for many different reasons, he has won many things, traveled the world and seen many things and also trained great players. I think the only experience he lacks is coaching a national team, so what better testing ground than coaching England? It could be a good challenge and he loves challenges and getting out of his comfort zone

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Guys, it has been 2 weeks already since we watched the finale of Euro 2024. Are you still continuing to discuss on the thread? Grin

I'm even surprised to see the thread still being open.

Then, who is your favourite for England job? There are even special odds opened to bet on:

_{Source: https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/england/next-permanent-manager}

The odds for the biggest favourites are these. Potter - Howe - Carsley trio look much closer than the other names. I feel like it will be Potter or Howe. Potter might be more likely because of being free agent.

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Quote from: Hvdv on July 25, 2024, 02:12:25 PM

Guardiola became one of the legendary coaches. Manchester City are like his child right now. That's why I don't think he will leave Manchester City, but he can coach the England national team together with Manchester City. There have been such examples in the past, although I do not find it professional, it is of course a possibility. There is England that reached the final of Euro 2024. I think Southgate is considered successful. I think there is nothing that needs to change.

However, in my opinion, I think differently from you, changes are definitely necessary. You can always find new ways or new winning combinations and this is not to be underestimated
In my opinion Guardiola as England manager would do the team a lot of good, and quite a bit.
Clearly we don't decide anything about it.

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Quote from: Lidger on July 25, 2024, 01:24:02 PM

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I have heard rumors that Guardiola will leave Manchester City to take charge of another club but this is the first time I have heard that he will take charge of the England national team. The chances of taking charge of the England national team are very low and whoever is currently in charge of the England national team is certainly doing well and the England national team management will trust him.

If someone had discussed that Guardiola would leave Manchester City and take charge of another team in another league, it might have been acceptable, but the discussion here about his responsibility for the England team I think is completely baseless.

I have said before that this is just a rumor, there is no real reason why Guardiola will become the manager of the England national team, after all he is still quite good at club level, and i think if he leaves Manchester City, he should go to another big club. In fact, of the 4 big leagues in Europe, he has never been a manager in Serie A, maybe this could be a good opportunity for him, to add a good journey to his manager's career.

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Quote from: Hvdv on July 25, 2024, 02:12:25 PM

Guardiola became one of the legendary coaches. Manchester City are like his child right now. That's why I don't think he will leave Manchester City, but he can coach the England national team together with Manchester City. There have been such examples in the past, although I do not find it professional, it is of course a possibility. There is England that reached the final of Euro 2024. I think Southgate is considered successful. I think there is nothing that needs to change.

Not only does Guardiola treat Manchester City players like his own children but most managers treat their players like their own. This is not the first time Guardiola has taken charge of Manchester City, but we have seen him take charge of several teams before and then walk away to take charge of another club.

Guardiola is a manager who always likes to take on challenges. He will take charge of a club that has no significant success and when he takes charge of that club he will not stay long at the club. Later he will find another club to make that club successful. There is no doubt that he has a good relationship with Manchester City but rest assured that he will leave Manchester City and take charge of another club.

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It is doubtful that Guardiola will undertake to coach the England national team. Firstly, there he will not be able to endlessly change players, spending billions until he gets the desired squad and secondly, although Southgate did not win anything, he raised the bar quite high. Therefore, for Guardiola, the likelihood of failure will be very high. He will never take such a risk, no matter how much he sings about “new challenges.”

It's just a rumor, don't take it seriously. No one wants to take excessive risks while he is in the safe box. At Manchester City he got everything, popularity, glory & also legacy, it is better for him to stay there to get more titles. Maybe he will be seen when he is no longer managing a big team & when he is too old for it. The latest rumor is about Eddie Howe, the English FA is said to have intentions of getting him, although Eddie Howe has dismissed the rumor.

I have heard rumors that Guardiola will leave Manchester City to take charge of another club but this is the first time I have heard that he will take charge of the England national team. The chances of taking charge of the England national team are very low and whoever is currently in charge of the England national team is certainly doing well and the England national team management will trust him.

If someone had discussed that Guardiola would leave Manchester City and take charge of another team in another league, it might have been acceptable, but the discussion here about his responsibility for the England team I think is completely baseless.

Guardiola became one of the legendary coaches. Manchester City are like his child right now. That's why I don't think he will leave Manchester City, but he can coach the England national team together with Manchester City. There have been such examples in the past, although I do not find it professional, it is of course a possibility. There is England that reached the final of Euro 2024. I think Southgate is considered successful. I think there is nothing that needs to change.

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Quote from: Pandorak on July 22, 2024, 04:16:22 AM

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It is doubtful that Guardiola will undertake to coach the England national team. Firstly, there he will not be able to endlessly change players, spending billions until he gets the desired squad and secondly, although Southgate did not win anything, he raised the bar quite high. Therefore, for Guardiola, the likelihood of failure will be very high. He will never take such a risk, no matter how much he sings about “new challenges.”

It's just a rumor, don't take it seriously. No one wants to take excessive risks while he is in the safe box. At Manchester City he got everything, popularity, glory & also legacy, it is better for him to stay there to get more titles. Maybe he will be seen when he is no longer managing a big team & when he is too old for it. The latest rumor is about Eddie Howe, the English FA is said to have intentions of getting him, although Eddie Howe has dismissed the rumor.

I have heard rumors that Guardiola will leave Manchester City to take charge of another club but this is the first time I have heard that he will take charge of the England national team. The chances of taking charge of the England national team are very low and whoever is currently in charge of the England national team is certainly doing well and the England national team management will trust him.

If someone had discussed that Guardiola would leave Manchester City and take charge of another team in another league, it might have been acceptable, but the discussion here about his responsibility for the England team I think is completely baseless.

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It's official now. Gibraltar's protest against Rodri and Morata's chants are accepted by UEFA. Rodri and Morata are expected to get punishment from UEFA. This punishment may be harming Rodri's career at Manchester City this season. Also, it probably cost him the Ballon d'Or. Rodri has been a strong candidate for being nominated to receive the Ballon d'Or, and it's all gone now.

I'm still waiting to see what kind of punishment will be given by UEFA to Rodri and Morata. Morata was also lucky enough. It's because Morocco hasn't protested his chants against them. This probably makes UEFA is weightening his sanction.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 20, 2024, 03:16:13 PM

Everybody wants Pep Guardiola now, I don't see him doing that though.

The fact that many want him is one thing, the fact that he wants or that the English football federation wants someone else.
I don't know if this marriage can happen, they are certainly considering a choice given that the World Cup is coming soon (two years go by quickly).
We can only speculate at the moment.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on July 23, 2024, 02:23:43 PM

I have never been a fan of Southgate. He has a very pragmatic approach to football. He doesn't know how to create chances and England hardly string 10 passes together without losing the ball. A team with that kind of players shouldn't find it hard to hold the ball. I understand that the players are not as good as the media makes them out to seem, but they're good enough. They should have won games convincingly. They struggle too much. There's no fluidity in the way they play, things like this are always the fault of the coach.

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 20, 2024, 03:16:13 PM

Everybody wants Pep Guardiola now, I don't see him doing that though.

I doubt England will even approach Pep. They are a proud people and a Spanish guy coaching their national team is not something I think would happen. Aside England though, I doubt Pep would take the England job if it was offered to him. I believe after City, he'll go to another big club in Europe.

I dislike the hype around them honestly, we all know they're not good the ay they hype them. And what's with the so much pressure from the ex-english players?! They can hype and player to hundred and still bring him down with their bashing and unnecessary comments.
During that last friendly they had before the European Championship kicked off, we saw that they struggled.

The funny thing about the three lions was that they fought for the manager to get to that finals. The boring tactics from Gareth Southgate wouldn't have seen him go that extent.
He has done well for them, but I still don't see that as success. A tactically sound manager would have done dirty to that France and Spanish side.

You should see the likes of Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville yapping before the European Championship.
Bunch of talkatives, if they was so good why not go manage a top quality club and achieve success? They should keep dreaming about Pep Guardiola. He's heading nowhere!

For his replacement, I'd say Mauricio Pochetino. Yet again another manager who cannot boast of winning anything, did he win a trophy with Paris Saint Germany? Eddie Howe? I'd say No!

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Quote from: TelolettOm on July 19, 2024, 06:18:15 PM

This makes perfect sense and is probably what he is doing. Ha ha ha
He has been carrying out this responsibility for a long time and at the age of 53, there are still no new rumors about whether he will completely quit football or become a club football manager like before for certain.

What is clear is that England is currently in a hurry to immediately get a new coach as Southgate's successor. And they have officially opened various information regarding the requirements to become England national team football manager (main coach) on their official website page.

There are several names associated with this, such as Graham Potter and also Eddie Howe. But both of them don't want to talk about this yet. Even Eddie Howe said that he was still committed to Newcastle.

Source: Southgate's successor?

England has the quality players and talents so it is easy to blame Gareth Southgate for the poor performance of the team. The truth is Gareth Southgate is a good coach and would have done better if given the chance. He should get his props for getting the team to the finals. SouthGate has set the benchmark high for his successor to follow based on performance and players left at his disposal.

The criteria for recruitment to become England national team football manger is very interesting. I don’t think they will be able to find a high profile manager like this. The chances of getting applicants who tick all those boxes is very slim. They might have to look for a foreign manager like Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho.

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You consider Germany and France to be very strong opponents for Spain, while you consider Netherlands and Switzerland as weak opponents for England. Find out more about what Netherlands has achieved in football and how strong Switzerland is in football. Germany and France were tough opponents for Spain and Switzerland and Netherlands were much tougher opponents for England. You have to accept that England performed well in the quarter-final and semi-final matches which led them to qualify for the finals, while Spain's field is the same. However, Spain definitely performed better than England in the final match, attacking as well as counter-attacking which is why they got success against England. With all the players England have in their squad, it is certainly possible to beat the best teams in the world.

What's your point? England had an easier path and they went through it worse. But we can make an assessment from the other side: before the start of the tournament, England was the main favorite (rated slightly better than France), Spain was rated 3 times worse. If I remember correctly the odds were approximately 3 and 10+. But by the finals the roles had completely changed and Spain was already the favorite and they confirmed their status. It turns out England failed, doesn't it?

In reply to @Out of mind post I only wanted to convey to him that the teams who played against England in the quarter finals and semi finals were not easy opponents at all. Switzerland and Netherlands are two teams but very tough opponents for any team. Basically the England team performed well in the quarter-final and semi-final matches due to which they overcame major hurdles in the quarter-finals and major hurdles in the semi-finals to qualify for the finals. If a team is defeated in the final match, there is no chance to think that the team is much weaker than the winning team. England did well throughout the season but failed to do as much as they should have done in the final and were beaten there. Although initially held back for the tournament, Spain proved that in the end those who do well on the pitch will have a chance of winning the title.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 20, 2024, 03:16:13 PM

He wasn't good enough, he is not tactically brilliant enough to manage themz we could see how they played boring games and even defended during games they should have attacked. I underestimated him honestly at some point because of how poor England played. So much hype around them and stuff, and also how he was linked to Manchester United hass got to be one of the things I found disgusting.

I have never been a fan of Southgate. He has a very pragmatic approach to football. He doesn't know how to create chances and England hardly string 10 passes together without losing the ball. A team with that kind of players shouldn't find it hard to hold the ball. I understand that the players are not as good as the media makes them out to seem, but they're good enough. They should have won games convincingly. They struggle too much. There's no fluidity in the way they play, things like this are always the fault of the coach.

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 20, 2024, 03:16:13 PM

Everybody wants Pep Guardiola now, I don't see him doing that though.

I doubt England will even approach Pep. They are a proud people and a Spanish guy coaching their national team is not something I think would happen. Aside England though, I doubt Pep would take the England job if it was offered to him. I believe after City, he'll go to another big club in Europe.

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It is doubtful that Guardiola will undertake to coach the England national team. Firstly, there he will not be able to endlessly change players, spending billions until he gets the desired squad and secondly, although Southgate did not win anything, he raised the bar quite high. Therefore, for Guardiola, the likelihood of failure will be very high. He will never take such a risk, no matter how much he sings about “new challenges.”

It's just a rumor, don't take it seriously. No one wants to take excessive risks while he is in the safe box. At Manchester City he got everything, popularity, glory & also legacy, it is better for him to stay there to get more titles. Maybe he will be seen when he is no longer managing a big team & when he is too old for it. The latest rumor is about Eddie Howe, the English FA is said to have intentions of getting him, although Eddie Howe has dismissed the rumor.

Every singing that ever came to pass started off as a rumour. That is why in football, we do not overlook every rumour. Some are mature to happen, why some will just happen in the future. Saying that Pep should remain where he has already dominated doesn't tell about the brevity of Pep. He is brave and he likes new adventures. He could however decide to try it out in the England National team. If he does, it will not be difficult for him because he has already got experience to manage English players which are in his Manchester city team and other English teams.

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