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Quote from: kro55 on June 08, 2023, 07:49:04 AM

I would say luck was not with Mourinho. It cannot be said that Roma lost with a poor performance. Roma's players performed well. I would even say Roma players performed better than Sevilla. The referee made some bad decisions. Also, the match was drawn due to Gianluca Mancini's mistake. This is nothing but bad luck. Mourinho should not despair and start all over again. Hopefully we will see more organized and strong performances from Roma next season.

This is not talking about luck because Roma's defeat is not too embarrassing in my opinion, they have played their best, better than Seville, the final score was a draw and made the match go to penalties, this is where the winning mentality is needed, it seems that Roma don't have a winning mentality so they can't take chances from penalties, Sevilla already has a winning mentality in this championship so Sevilla is lucky and more worthy of winning the European league this season.

There is still time to improve for Roma next season, Mourinho has given his best and arranged for his team to play with a neat strategy, that's why it seems that Rome was ahead, even though in the end Roma lost in a final, a defeat that was not embarrassing in the final According to me.

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Quote from: maju69 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:23 AM

The Champions League will be more difficult than the European League, which requires Sevilla to prepare as well as possible so they don't become a team that only complements the Champions League.

Sevilla doesn't even need to prepare everything as it will always be going out from UCL easily. UCL has become a competition from best against the best. Sevilla was not the best in the liga. I consider sevilla was lucky enough in europa league as it was very often getting its goal from OG.
Sevilla was rarely winning against its opponent through free play. I would say that if UCL is still too far for sevilla to win it. It's caused by it will always become the competition for all of best clubs in the world.

The only team that can beat everything that will able to win it. Remember that the team like city can be considered as the best in the world right now.

Quote from: maju69 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:23 AM

They are a strong team in the Europa League, many even say they are the kings of the Europa League. They should be more motivated to become a team that is not only called strong in the European League, but also in the Champions League.

It doesn't matter a lot. Sevilla was strong in UEL but it's weak in UCL. Sevilla was always entering in UCL so many times but it's always going out from UCL when it was still in the group stage.

Winning europa league trophy is not enough to make sevilla will able to compete with the best clubs in the world.

It requires sevilla to perform better compared with the best club in the world right now.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 06:14:45 PM

Mourinho was not guilty at all in that game against Sevilla.
If you check the other games Sevilla had in this season you can easily understand Sevilla was lucky most of the time because they usually played against strong teams when they were not ready for it or when they didn't have some players.
For example, I think if Dybala could play for Roma, there was a chance to see another result.

Man, i do agree with you about sevilla was the luckiest club in the europa league this season. It was always getting its goal from own goal by its opponent even when sevilla was facing juventus as well. I didn't even know where the fuck this kind of magic was coming from but what the fuck was wrong with this club this season? It seems like that all of luck were owner by sevilla at this moment. Dybala already played for roma since the beginning of game. You shall watch again what lineup that used by mourinho since the game was starting.

The problem was if mourinho was changing him. Mou should have played him for full time instead of changing him before the end of game.

Mou didn't just change Dybala, he appeared to be injured after a dangerous tackle that he had. Mou tried his best to lift the trophy for Roma but it didn't go his way. On a normal Mou day, when he first you to get a goal, you wil not equalise it but everything do change and perhaps it changed.
Apart from the above said, the ref wasn't consistent as his officiating was full of notable flaws, I pray that shouldn't be the fate of the Champions League coming up this weekend.

I would say luck was not with Mourinho. It cannot be said that Roma lost with a poor performance. Roma's players performed well. I would even say Roma players performed better than Sevilla. The referee made some bad decisions. Also, the match was drawn due to Gianluca Mancini's mistake. This is nothing but bad luck. Mourinho should not despair and start all over again. Hopefully we will see more organized and strong performances from Roma next season.

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Quote from: maju69 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:23 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 05:24:30 PM

Sevilla won the Europa League this season and they were lucky enough to win this title but on the other hand, Sevilla have taken the final automatic place for the next champions league and they should get themself ready for the champions league where they are going to have harder games than what they had in Europa League. Sevilla couldn't have a good performance in most of the games in the Europa League and in La Liga but they should start hiring better players if they want to achieve something in the champions league.

The Champions League will be more difficult than the European League, which requires Sevilla to prepare as well as possible so they don't become a team that only complements the Champions League. They are a strong team in the Europa League, many even say they are the kings of the Europa League. They should be more motivated to become a team that is not only called strong in the European League, but also in the Champions League.

Actually Sevilla have tried many times to qualify for a better phase in the champions league but fate had other plans and in the end they were much more successful in the European league. I think it's not a matter of readiness or lack of belief in the Champions League competition, it's just that when a team has fought hard but the results are still empty, then they have to get options that allow them to at least win titles every season and competitions that are suitable for Sevilla for many seasons. this is the european league. Therefore every team definitely wants to get the best results, but as long as the team is able to compete in the competition they are good at, it's not a problem.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on June 07, 2023, 06:42:31 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 06:14:45 PM

Mourinho was not guilty at all in that game against Sevilla.
If you check the other games Sevilla had in this season you can easily understand Sevilla was lucky most of the time because they usually played against strong teams when they were not ready for it or when they didn't have some players.
For example, I think if Dybala could play for Roma, there was a chance to see another result.

Man, i do agree with you about sevilla was the luckiest club in the europa league this season. It was always getting its goal from own goal by its opponent even when sevilla was facing juventus as well. I didn't even know where the fuck this kind of magic was coming from but what the fuck was wrong with this club this season? It seems like that all of luck were owner by sevilla at this moment. Dybala already played for roma since the beginning of game. You shall watch again what lineup that used by mourinho since the game was starting.

The problem was if mourinho was changing him. Mou should have played him for full time instead of changing him before the end of game.

Mou didn't just change Dybala, he appeared to be injured after a dangerous tackle that he had. Mou tried his best to lift the trophy for Roma but it didn't go his way. On a normal Mou day, when he first you to get a goal, you wil not equalise it but everything do change and perhaps it changed.
Apart from the above said, the ref wasn't consistent as his officiating was full of notable flaws, I pray that shouldn't be the fate of the Champions League coming up this weekend.

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Quote from: maju69 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:23 AM

The Champions League will be more difficult than the European League, which requires Sevilla to prepare as well as possible so they don't become a team that only complements the Champions League. They are a strong team in the Europa League, many even say they are the kings of the Europa League. They should be more motivated to become a team that is not only called strong in the European League, but also in the Champions League.

It's okay for Sevilla next season, even though they are playing in the UCL, but the knockout phase will continue in the UEL. Not condescending but Seville is as if the mascot is UEL. Sevilla can't compete in the Champions League with the existing squad, they can't even compete in La Liga. It must be admitted that Sevilla King UEL, even though they cannot compete in the UCL, remember that any team that enters the European league Sevilla will beat it.

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Quote from: maju69 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:23 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 05:24:30 PM

Sevilla won the Europa League this season and they were lucky enough to win this title but on the other hand, Sevilla have taken the final automatic place for the next champions league and they should get themself ready for the champions league where they are going to have harder games than what they had in Europa League. Sevilla couldn't have a good performance in most of the games in the Europa League and in La Liga but they should start hiring better players if they want to achieve something in the champions league.

The Champions League will be more difficult than the European League, which requires Sevilla to prepare as well as possible so they don't become a team that only complements the Champions League. They are a strong team in the Europa League, many even say they are the kings of the Europa League. They should be more motivated to become a team that is not only called strong in the European League, but also in the Champions League.

well obvious
you're saying the obvious, like saying the water is wet
the champions league is much more difficult and there are much stronger teams, without a doubt
Sevilla will never be ready, we need a different team

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 05:24:30 PM

Sevilla won the Europa League this season and they were lucky enough to win this title but on the other hand, Sevilla have taken the final automatic place for the next champions league and they should get themself ready for the champions league where they are going to have harder games than what they had in Europa League. Sevilla couldn't have a good performance in most of the games in the Europa League and in La Liga but they should start hiring better players if they want to achieve something in the champions league.

The Champions League will be more difficult than the European League, which requires Sevilla to prepare as well as possible so they don't become a team that only complements the Champions League. They are a strong team in the Europa League, many even say they are the kings of the Europa League. They should be more motivated to become a team that is not only called strong in the European League, but also in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 06:14:45 PM

Mourinho was not guilty at all in that game against Sevilla.
If you check the other games Sevilla had in this season you can easily understand Sevilla was lucky most of the time because they usually played against strong teams when they were not ready for it or when they didn't have some players.
For example, I think if Dybala could play for Roma, there was a chance to see another result.

Man, i do agree with you about sevilla was the luckiest club in the europa league this season. It was always getting its goal from own goal by its opponent even when sevilla was facing juventus as well. I didn't even know where the fuck this kind of magic was coming from but what the fuck was wrong with this club this season? It seems like that all of luck were owner by sevilla at this moment. Dybala already played for roma since the beginning of game. You shall watch again what lineup that used by mourinho since the game was starting.

The problem was if mourinho was changing him. Mou should have played him for full time instead of changing him before the end of game.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on June 07, 2023, 11:14:33 AM

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UEFA are not unhappy with Anthony Taylor for his performance in the Europa League final - after receiving backlash from the Roma supporters following the full-time whistle.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/uefa-anthony-taylor-roma-sevilla-30166757

Well the conflict is still continue even after the final has ended last week. Anthony has become the main concern caused by there have been many pros or cons when he was become a referee for the final of europa league. It's very interesting to see that how mourinho was trying so hard to make sure its club was getting justice. There have been various comments related to the performance from anthony in the final of europa league. I think that this problem will not be solved in a short time. UEFA was still investingating everything right now.

I don't know which party that must be blamed.

What do you think guys? Has anthony performed good or bad during the match between roma vs sevilla?

Mourinho was not guilty at all in that game against Sevilla.
If you check the other games Sevilla had in this season you can easily understand Sevilla was lucky most of the time because they usually played against strong teams when they were not ready for it or when they didn't have some players.
For example, I think if Dybala could play for Roma, there was a chance to see another result.

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Sevilla won the Europa League this season and they were lucky enough to win this title but on the other hand, Sevilla have taken the final automatic place for the next champions league and they should get themself ready for the champions league where they are going to have harder games than what they had in Europa League. Sevilla couldn't have a good performance in most of the games in the Europa League and in La Liga but they should start hiring better players if they want to achieve something in the champions league.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on June 07, 2023, 11:14:33 AM

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UEFA are not unhappy with Anthony Taylor for his performance in the Europa League final - after receiving backlash from the Roma supporters following the full-time whistle.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/uefa-anthony-taylor-roma-sevilla-30166757

Well the conflict is still continue even after the final has ended last week. Anthony has become the main concern caused by there have been many pros or cons when he was become a referee for the final of europa league. It's very interesting to see that how mourinho was trying so hard to make sure its club was getting justice. There have been various comments related to the performance from anthony in the final of europa league. I think that this problem will not be solved in a short time. UEFA was still investingating everything right now.

I don't know which party that must be blamed.

What do you think guys? Has anthony performed good or bad during the match between roma vs sevilla?

Something like this is bound to happen because there are indeed several conditions regarding his decision which do have big pros and cons in this matter and even if you look at the news on Roma and Mou, until now they have not accepted Sevilla's victory because Anthony's leadership is considered to be one of the detrimental conditions for they.
This is also not the first time he has had the same problem because several clubs like Chelsea have also protested against the leadership of this referee.
Now it looks like there is a little firm action from UEFA on this matter.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on June 07, 2023, 09:05:52 AM

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As a coach, you should always have goals for yourself, and as a seasoned coach, I think Jose Mourinho was fully aware of his target. He was just unfortunate not to have won the final. It's not easy to manage a team as ordinary as Roma, so he deserves praise for the caliber of players he has at his disposal. He had to make do with what was available because the squad hardly had any prominent stars and they cannot afford to pay such individuals. Since competing for the top four spots in the league would be challenging with the players available, his goal was to qualify for the champions league. As a result, he had to improvise and consider an easy road. He wasn't really focused in the league since he understood it would have been simpler to win the Europa League and then advance to the Champions League than to compete for top-4 spot.

The only thing that counts to Mourinho is winning a game, regardless of how he did it. That was his strategy against Sevilla, but it backfired against him. He deserves respect for making it to the end.

You guys make this Roma squad look so ass, so it can look as if Mourinho did what was impossible. Roma has a better squad than Sevilla. Roma has almost the same squad as Napoli. I'm not saying they have a squad t win the Champions League and Serie A, but that Roma squad is a squad that should in the top four and nobody should be surprised if that team wins the Europa League.
Mourinho is good in his own way, no doubt, but this season, he was not that great, even the season before that. He managed to win the Conference League and that was what made it look as if he was fantastic.

While Roma have a squad full of quality players and potential perceptions of their performance ultimately depend on a variety of factors including team dynamics coaching strategy and competition in their respective leagues. Mourinho coaching style and tactical approach may not have resonated with the Roma side leading to a disappointing result. While winning the league title is a remarkable achievement fans are understandably expecting more from a club with Roma history and resources. At the end of the day, football is a complex and unpredictable sport and individual perceptions of a manager performance may vary.

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They have won the match because of the coach who encouraged them to win, and their strategy worked very well for the match.

adding a little that the victory that has been achieved by Sevilla was not only from the coach's encouragement but the performance of the Seville players really had good experience at UEL which gave confidence and extraordinary enthusiasm to be able to beat Roma.
although there was injustice in the final match last time but this is a decision that has been determined and indeed Sevilla deserves to be the European league champion.

Not sure if it's just because of the Sevilla coach, because the current Sevilla coach is Mendilibar, who historically Mendilibar has never coached a team that is used to competing for titles and trophies. But yes, I don't mean to belittle Mendilibar, but if you say Sevilla's success is only due to the coach, then I think that statement is not quite right. Except, if Mendilibar quite often coaches big teams with lots of titles and achievements he has managed to get, then the statement about the coach still makes sense but for Mendilibar I think it is still not quite right.

I should say that Mendilibar deserves the words because the team got victory during his coaching and without a coach the squad can't perform actions in the best way possible. Do not underestimate Medilibar, the guy has given his best to unite the team towards their goal. I won't say that players were weak and all the credit goes to the coach only, but still he truly performed his best as a coach this time. A coach is the one who brings true spirit of gameplay into the hearts of the players and in this case the credit goes to Mendilibar. I know that many people say that the guy isn't the best coach, but when a team wins we must appreciate the efforts of the coach. In some cases we misunderstand someone's abilities and we just follow the opinions of the crowd.

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UEFA are not unhappy with Anthony Taylor for his performance in the Europa League final - after receiving backlash from the Roma supporters following the full-time whistle.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/uefa-anthony-taylor-roma-sevilla-30166757

Well the conflict is still continue even after the final has ended last week. Anthony has become the main concern caused by there have been many pros or cons when he was become a referee for the final of europa league. It's very interesting to see that how mourinho was trying so hard to make sure its club was getting justice. There have been various comments related to the performance from anthony in the final of europa league. I think that this problem will not be solved in a short time. UEFA was still investingating everything right now.

I don't know which party that must be blamed.

What do you think guys? Has anthony performed good or bad during the match between roma vs sevilla?

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Quote from: harapan on June 06, 2023, 05:51:41 PM

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There is no doubt about this all José Mourinho's experience and strategy work for AS Roma, and they have good result in Europa Cup but sadly in final luck was not with them as they lost this title on penalties and Sevilla able to win record time which is surely amazing stuff for them and despite having 12th spot in La Liga now they are going to play Champions League again in next season which is another amazing stuff for them.

Roma done good job in this competition and have place into last two which is also good achievement for them with they were not consistent into Serie A which bring them down to sixth, and now they are going to compete again in Europa Cup in next year for this spot they have too thankful to Juventus which lost 10 points and now having 7th spot.

Only Mourinho fans will think Roma is doing well. I applaud them for getting to the Europa final, but then again, they had to forego every other trophy to pursue just one. I don't think that's a wise move. It's a big gamble and it didn't pay off my if it had paid off everybody would have been singing praise of Mourinho's class, but it did not pay off.
Roma was horrible in the league. They barely finished 6th, just a point above Juventus.
Maybe you're right that with another coach Roma won't get to the final, but their performance needs to improve. They can't keep playing like that. They played really badly in both legs against Leverkusen and didn't play really well against Sevilla. Playing that pattern o football won't take them no where.

They have not given up the trophy in Serie A. They simply could not compete with the rest of the clubs such as Lazio, Napoli, Inter or even Juventus, who find themselves below Roma in the standings just because of the penalty. Mourinho is a good coach but Roma have been worse than Sevilla this season. They were lucky to make it to the final.

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Quote from: klidex on June 07, 2023, 10:22:30 AM

You should have more experience and knowledge first before giving this kind of nonsense response.
Rome won what? and what trophy did they get after such a long wait?
It's true that Roma played quite well under coach Mourinho all the way to the final but they lost to Sevilla so what victory do you mean?

The Europa League trophy this season has belonged to Sevilla and it is very clear that AS Roma have not won anything in the Europa League this season, except for being in the final. So if someone says AS Roma won something this season, in my opinion that is very strange because there really is no trophy that AS Roma can take this season. So it is highly hoped that AS Roma will try to return next season again in the European League.

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Only Mourinho fans will think Roma is doing well. I applaud them for getting to the Europa final, but then again, they had to forego every other trophy to pursue just one. I don't think that's a wise move. It's a big gamble and it didn't pay off my if it had paid off everybody would have been singing praise of Mourinho's class, but it did not pay off.
Roma was horrible in the league. They barely finished 6th, just a point above Juventus.
Maybe you're right that with another coach Roma won't get to the final, but their performance needs to improve. They can't keep playing like that. They played really badly in both legs against Leverkusen and didn't play really well against Sevilla. Playing that pattern o football won't take them no where.

As a coach, you should always have goals for yourself, and as a seasoned coach, I think Jose Mourinho was fully aware of his target. He was just unfortunate not to have won the final. It's not easy to manage a team as ordinary as Roma, so he deserves praise for the caliber of players he has at his disposal. He had to make do with what was available because the squad hardly had any prominent stars and they cannot afford to pay such individuals. Since competing for the top four spots in the league would be challenging with the players available, his goal was to qualify for the champions league. As a result, he had to improvise and consider an easy road. He wasn't really focused in the league since he understood it would have been simpler to win the Europa League and then advance to the Champions League than to compete for top-4 spot.

The only thing that counts to Mourinho is winning a game, regardless of how he did it. That was his strategy against Sevilla, but it backfired against him. He deserves respect for making it to the end.

It's not easy to manage a limited team like Roma, but Jose Mourinho was able to manage that team quite well. Maybe if Roma were able to win the Europa League there would certainly be a different assessment again. Mourinho manages Roma with a different strategy every game and he is able to meet his targets. In the final against Sevilla, Roma played very well and they would have almost won the title if the referees were fair, so it is only natural for Mourinho to react strongly to what happened at that time. I really applaud Mou's performance, he deserves respect.

I personal don't believe in accusing or directing a match loss to the fault of any referee although I believe Roma actually did play well but as the circumstances have sevilla came victorious and it is not because of some hasty decision made by the referee or something else. Sevilla completely deserve that victory and they had played with a lot of spirit in them to actually succeed in securing that trophy.

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I don't think Roma has the ability to be focused in all leagues. I don't think the Roma team is too strong either. Roma is an average team. They have been able to play well in the last two seasons due to Mourinho's excellent match strategy. But if the Roma management is interested in spending money next season, I believe Mourinho will be able to strengthen this team. However, in the past, Roma management was not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money. They may be thrifty this season too.

It is true that it seems that Roma also feel lucky enough to be able to compete until the final round in the European league because we know that the players are still filled with the same squad as last season. Maybe there is truth if the owner is willing to spend money to buy new players that can increase the performance power of his squad and Mourinho will be more flexible in determining options for a better starting line-up. We will still be waiting for Roma's revival in the European league next season and surely Mourinho's frustration in this year's final will be avenged by him in the European league next season until he reaches the final again.

Not because AS Roma was lucky but there was a great coach who was able to bring AS Roma to the top of the European league final.
Without the help of Jose Mourinho AS Roma would not be this great and would not be this strong and I am only sure that in next year's season AS Roma will have a better performance in the European league.

You are right, the Roma team qualified for the Europa League final due to Mourinho's extraordinary match strategy. And because of an experienced coach like Mourinho, Roma won the Conference League the previous season. Roma won a cup after a long time. The Roma team spends very little money on building their team. If Roma management had spent enough money to build their team then Roma's performance would have been more stable. Mourinho might even be fighting for the Serie A title.

You should have more experience and knowledge first before giving this kind of nonsense response.
Rome won what? and what trophy did they get after such a long wait?
It's true that Roma played quite well under coach Mourinho all the way to the final but they lost to Sevilla so what victory do you mean?

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Quote from: len01 on June 07, 2023, 09:48:06 AM

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They have won the match because of the coach who encouraged them to win, and their strategy worked very well for the match.

adding a little that the victory that has been achieved by Sevilla was not only from the coach's encouragement but the performance of the Seville players really had good experience at UEL which gave confidence and extraordinary enthusiasm to be able to beat Roma.
although there was injustice in the final match last time but this is a decision that has been determined and indeed Sevilla deserves to be the European league champion.

Indeed, several Sevilla players are still the same players from the previous season and they also didn't transfer players too much, so with the same squad they certainly have balanced coordination on the field which keeps them united to win the title. The new Sevilla coach is actually quite good but the experience of Sevilla players is much better for this competition.

Apart from all that, I think that if Sevilla still retains these players for next season then they could have the chance to win the European league again because even though they have the opportunity to play in the champions league, sometimes Sevilla prefers the European league competition to be able to add to their trophy collection.

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