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Quote from: Helena Yu on November 22, 2023, 11:02:00 AM

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Seeing from what is happening now it is quite natural that many people give high hopes to Liverpool because with the performance they show and the quality of players and of course the experience they have, it is quite natural to give high hopes to Liverpool at this time, but we also have to know that sometimes surprises can always happen as well as for Liverpool considering that for the Europa League sometimes very big surprises can always happen, especially after the group phase.
In fact, I expect something more from the group of dark horses or unexpected clubs because in my opinion with that there will be a condition where the Europa League's excitement.

Slavia Prague is one of the example, out of nowhere team but they're better than Roma in group stage. Right now the strong candidates are both Leverkusen and Liverpool, I hope they both aren't in the same side because both of them would met in the semi final.

But yeah like you said, most of the times there's an out of nowhere team that reach to final stage lol.

Our focus is all on the big clubs at the end of the day which means surprise clubs can make the Europa League unpredictable. At the moment Leverkusen are the club that are certain to qualify without having to play off first and the other possibility is Liverpool also doing the same.
At the moment we can also expect clubs that are outcast from the Champions League to become one of the other strongest candidates to become champions so that the Europa League becomes even more difficult to guess.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 22, 2023, 12:18:55 PM

So we can understand why Liverpool has different kind of performance at both leagues because basically the pressure isn't the same from both sides, the current form Liverpool has is such that everyone will think they are definitely going to win the Europa which isn't really in doubt as this has been one of the dreams of their coach but then I will always say the game of football could be filled with surprises so let's give some more time and see how well every other team plays out.

I don't doubt Liverpool, it's just that right now I feel that it's actually not yet time for Liverpool to win the European League title for various reasons and the most important thing for me is that Liverpool consistency is currently a little unstable, even though this season performance looks more convincing, I'm still happier If you look at Leverkusen, they will be able to lift the European League trophy and Leverkusen is also one of the strongest clubs and is the strongest challenger in the European League this season.
Even so, I will not doubt Liverpool because as you said, there are always surprises that we can never predict.

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Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 22, 2023, 05:13:19 AM

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I remember liverpool was winning europa league a few years ago. The reds is going to repeat the same result as previous seasons. Liverpool is more than ready to get the europa league trophy. It's even stronger compared with another club at this moment.
Even sevilla was nothing against liverpool. The most favorite club to win the trophy this time. I would like to see liverpool to face a strong club from serie a like roma or sevilla from la liga only if sevilla will go down to the europa league again.

It makes me feel happy caused by there will attractive game to happen soon.

Liverpool is one of the favorite teams in the European league this year. I don't see many teams that can block them. Some teams coming from UCL may be strong and force Liverpool, but I am sure that Liverpool has the power to beat any team with its great squad. They can even beat Manchester City.

It is very realistic to place them as the favorite team in the Europa League this season because of their great performance, in the EPL they are also competing with Manchester City to be the best this season. But you shouldn't forget Bayer Leverkusen, their performance under Alonso direction was extraordinary.
These two teams will try to win the Europa League title at any cost, Liverpool, who have succeeded in building self-confidence, will try to do their best in the UEL. Meanwhile, Leverkusen, who are their toughest competitors, will try to overcome last season's defeat to become the best in the Europa League this season.

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Quote from: Hvdv on November 22, 2023, 07:50:13 AM

The Premier League is a tougher league than the European league. Liverpool may not have paid attention to the European league as they focused on the Premier League. Still, they showed great performance in the groups in the European league. They have the potential to become champions. Liverpool are very effective in attack, using the influence of Mo Salah. It is obvious that they will be successful in the European league.

The competition we find in the premier league is very different from that which we find in the Europa, this is as a result of the kind of teams found in both leagues as they are of different strength, depth and form, in the premier league the teams there are more competitive than those found in the Europa currently.

So we can understand why Liverpool has different kind of performance at both leagues because basically the pressure isn't the same from both sides, the current form Liverpool has is such that everyone will think they are definitely going to win the Europa which isn't really in doubt as this has been one of the dreams of their coach but then I will always say the game of football could be filled with surprises so let's give some more time and see how well every other team plays out.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on November 22, 2023, 11:02:00 AM

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Seeing from what is happening now it is quite natural that many people give high hopes to Liverpool because with the performance they show and the quality of players and of course the experience they have, it is quite natural to give high hopes to Liverpool at this time, but we also have to know that sometimes surprises can always happen as well as for Liverpool considering that for the Europa League sometimes very big surprises can always happen, especially after the group phase.
In fact, I expect something more from the group of dark horses or unexpected clubs because in my opinion with that there will be a condition where the Europa League's excitement.

Slavia Prague is one of the example, out of nowhere team but they're better than Roma in group stage. Right now the strong candidates are both Leverkusen and Liverpool, I hope they both aren't in the same side because both of them would met in the semi final.

But yeah like you said, most of the times there's an out of nowhere team that reach to final stage lol.

It's true, this time at least Slavia Prague managed to be the best in group G, because before AS Roma was expected to dominate this group. But despite this, I personally do not believe Slavia Prague will go further although indeed, to qualify for the next round seems like it will definitely be obtained by Slavia Prague. But likely, Slavia Prague will also fall in the knockout phase later, and will not reach the final match. Because yes, although sometimes the dark horse teams managed to give a big surprise but still, in the end only the teams that played in the top European leagues which get the Europa League trophy. Therefore, I personally will remain confident for Liverpool or Bayer Leverkusen who will manage to get the Europa League trophy this season.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 21, 2023, 06:07:56 AM

Teams like Leverkusen and Liverpool are fighting for the Bundesliga and Premier League titles. And the main goal for these two teams is to win the Bundesliga and Premier League titles. They will try to do well in the Europa League, but only after maintaining consistency in the Bundesliga and Premier League. The main contenders for the Europa League title are teams like Roma and Sevilla. Who have no chance of winning their own league title. Last season we saw big teams like Barcelona do very poorly in the Europa League. Basically, the big teams have no interest in winning the Europa League title. And so we are not sure whether Leverkusen and Liverpool teams will win the Europa League title. But if they give their full effort in the Europa League, they have a chance to win the championship.

Those teams don't have any order for their competitions whatsoever. The fact that the Bundesliga and the Premier League is their main business is because it is their main business. But nobody from those clubs provides a ranking as to how much effort should be put into any of those competitions. Ask them whether they want to win the Europa League and the domestic league titles. They will answer that they want to win it all. You are suggesting that they play with less intensity in the games in the Europa League to play with more intensity in the domestic league. I guess that is what you really think, but it is gibberish.

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Quote from: topbitcoin on November 22, 2023, 07:56:25 AM

Seeing from what is happening now it is quite natural that many people give high hopes to Liverpool because with the performance they show and the quality of players and of course the experience they have, it is quite natural to give high hopes to Liverpool at this time, but we also have to know that sometimes surprises can always happen as well as for Liverpool considering that for the Europa League sometimes very big surprises can always happen, especially after the group phase.
In fact, I expect something more from the group of dark horses or unexpected clubs because in my opinion with that there will be a condition where the Europa League's excitement.

Slavia Prague is one of the example, out of nowhere team but they're better than Roma in group stage. Right now the strong candidates are both Leverkusen and Liverpool, I hope they both aren't in the same side because both of them would met in the semi final.

But yeah like you said, most of the times there's an out of nowhere team that reach to final stage lol.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 22, 2023, 07:35:17 AM

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Liverpool is one of the favorite teams in the European league this year. I don't see many teams that can block them. Some teams coming from UCL may be strong and force Liverpool, but I am sure that Liverpool has the power to beat any team with its great squad. They can even beat Manchester City.

If you look at the level of consistency and performance shown by Liverpool this season, of course most people would not hesitate to say that about Liverpool this season in the Europa League. Because several teams that were eliminated from the Champions League and entered the Europa League will not easily prevent Liverpool from getting the Europa League championship trophy this season. And even Liverpool itself could also be a strong candidate to win its own domestic league this season if it is able to beat Manchester City in several matches this season.

When it comes to clubs that are likely to be eliminated from the Chmpions League and playing in Europe, this season is not the same as the previous one. Last season, most of the clubs that were knocked out of the Europa League were big clubs and that makes the comptition in the Europa League no less interesting, as many big clubs are here. But this season that may not happen, because the favorite club club has the opportunity to stay there longer. Of course this is an opportunity for Liverpool to take advantage of the competition that is not so tight because there are not many big clubs like them here.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on November 21, 2023, 07:58:50 PM

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The depth can be decisive. If one team loses their top scorer and they can still replace that player with a good enough alternative, it is quite different from a team that can't. But we are still talking about professional football on an international level and every team should be able to come up with a competitive solution to still retain their chance to win a game against a superior team if they go all out with all their heart. There are these talents like Mbappe or Messi and those players can never be replaced, but a lot can be done when the team has great and strong cohesion and works as a unit.

Yes. The squad depth is quite important to ensure the consistency of a team to play in a good form. If they have no substituted players who have the quality to replace the main players, it will bring a serious impact for the team. A low quality of substituted players will make a big decrease in the performance.

Regarding the squad depth of Leverkusen, they still have no many substituted players with good quality. If many of the main players get injured, they are very possible to get losses in the next matches, specifically for the matches against strong teams. I really hope Xabi Alonso sometimes can rotate the starting players on the lineup when they play against weak teams. So, the main players will have time to rest, maintain their fitness, and avoid the chance for injury.

In Leverkusen, they only have Victor Boniface as the most productive striker. Patrik Schick still gets injured, it will take a long time to recover. If Leverkusen lost Victor Boniface, there is no alternative for an experienced or quality striker.

This is by the way an important part of a strong team that we are discussing here. There is strong competition for the 11 starting spots in a team and everybody wants to play, but at the same time every player with high ambitions feels more comfortable when more than 11 strong players are there because if someone gets injured or sent off, the team doesn't have to feat that they are getting destroyed right afterwards. That's why it is crucial for the manager to get those players pursue the same goal no matter who is starting a game or who is being brought on during the game. If there is this understanding among the players, it also gives everyone the necessary sentiment during the game to give it all because they know that if something bad happens, there is someone on the bench who can jump in.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 22, 2023, 07:35:17 AM

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Liverpool is one of the favorite teams in the European league this year. I don't see many teams that can block them. Some teams coming from UCL may be strong and force Liverpool, but I am sure that Liverpool has the power to beat any team with its great squad. They can even beat Manchester City.

If you look at the level of consistency and performance shown by Liverpool this season, of course most people would not hesitate to say that about Liverpool this season in the Europa League. Because several teams that were eliminated from the Champions League and entered the Europa League will not easily prevent Liverpool from getting the Europa League championship trophy this season. And even Liverpool itself could also be a strong candidate to win its own domestic league this season if it is able to beat Manchester City in several matches this season.

Seeing from what is happening now it is quite natural that many people give high hopes to Liverpool because with the performance they show and the quality of players and of course the experience they have, it is quite natural to give high hopes to Liverpool at this time, but we also have to know that sometimes surprises can always happen as well as for Liverpool considering that for the Europa League sometimes very big surprises can always happen, especially after the group phase.
In fact, I expect something more from the group of dark horses or unexpected clubs because in my opinion with that there will be a condition where the Europa League's excitement.

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Quote from: hahay on November 21, 2023, 12:53:30 PM

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Actually, I think the European league is the second priority for Liverpool. Because the Premier League is the best league in the world and they will have to be more careful as they will play against teams that are tougher than the European league. If they care about the European league, they are almost guaranteed to win the championship with great victories.

A team as big as Liverpool should be able to make these two competitions run side by side with the same target, the Europa League and the Premier League are equally fierce and competitive, in the Premier League as we know there are many strong teams in the competition for the title as well as in the Europa League which is quite The competition is tight, but with the strength that Liverpool has, they should be able to prioritize both even though it is difficult to become champions in the Premier and Europa League.

I'm sure ofcourse, Liverpool will do the best they can to get good results for both competitions. Because ya, by having the same focus in both competitions, it will make Liverpool both have a good chance of getting the trophy. But if for example, if later Liverpool fail, but because Liverpool have tried well then of course Liverpool will still be close with the title maybe being runner up or failing in the final match. But the point is, I sure Liverpool not just prioritize just 1 competition, because basically Liverpool have a good chance in the Premier League and also in the European League, so it will be right if Liverpool keep going.

The Premier League is a tougher league than the European league. Liverpool may not have paid attention to the European league as they focused on the Premier League. Still, they showed great performance in the groups in the European league. They have the potential to become champions. Liverpool are very effective in attack, using the influence of Mo Salah. It is obvious that they will be successful in the European league.

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Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 22, 2023, 05:13:19 AM

Liverpool is one of the favorite teams in the European league this year. I don't see many teams that can block them. Some teams coming from UCL may be strong and force Liverpool, but I am sure that Liverpool has the power to beat any team with its great squad. They can even beat Manchester City.

If you look at the level of consistency and performance shown by Liverpool this season, of course most people would not hesitate to say that about Liverpool this season in the Europa League. Because several teams that were eliminated from the Champions League and entered the Europa League will not easily prevent Liverpool from getting the Europa League championship trophy this season. And even Liverpool itself could also be a strong candidate to win its own domestic league this season if it is able to beat Manchester City in several matches this season.

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Quote from: hahay on November 21, 2023, 12:53:30 PM

I'm sure ofcourse, Liverpool will do the best they can to get good results for both competitions. Because ya, by having the same focus in both competitions, it will make Liverpool both have a good chance of getting the trophy. But if for example, if later Liverpool fail, but because Liverpool have tried well then of course Liverpool will still be close with the title maybe being runner up or failing in the final match. But the point is, I sure Liverpool not just prioritize just 1 competition, because basically Liverpool have a good chance in the Premier League and also in the European League, so it will be right if Liverpool keep going.

Liverpool has been of a good performance this season and they are moving in accordance to there other leagues, actually they have been very competitive this season even in the premier League they are competing with Manchester City and if Manchester City loses any of there matches and Liverpool win they will enter the first position of the premier League table, so I believe there targets this season is to win two trophies.

However they also stands on a good chance of wining the Europa League this season however they have also been leading on there Europa League table with no intention of losing any matches, but they would find it difficult to win Manchester City on there premier league match this Saturday because Manchester City has good players than Liverpool.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on November 22, 2023, 04:39:12 AM

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So far Liverpool look really good as Europa League champions because they have usually achieved good results in the Champions League. But I think the competition will be there when relegation happens in the Champions League.

I remember liverpool was winning europa league a few years ago. The reds is going to repeat the same result as previous seasons. Liverpool is more than ready to get the europa league trophy. It's even stronger compared with another club at this moment.
Even sevilla was nothing against liverpool. The most favorite club to win the trophy this time. I would like to see liverpool to face a strong club from serie a like roma or sevilla from la liga only if sevilla will go down to the europa league again.

It makes me feel happy caused by there will attractive game to happen soon.

Liverpool is one of the favorite teams in the European league this year. I don't see many teams that can block them. Some teams coming from UCL may be strong and force Liverpool, but I am sure that Liverpool has the power to beat any team with its great squad. They can even beat Manchester City.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on November 22, 2023, 04:39:12 AM

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So far Liverpool look really good as Europa League champions because they have usually achieved good results in the Champions League. But I think the competition will be there when relegation happens in the Champions League.

I remember liverpool was winning europa league a few years ago. The reds is going to repeat the same result as previous seasons. Liverpool is more than ready to get the europa league trophy. It's even stronger compared with another club at this moment.
Even sevilla was nothing against liverpool. The most favorite club to win the trophy this time. I would like to see liverpool to face a strong club from serie a like roma or sevilla from la liga only if sevilla will go down to the europa league again.

It makes me feel happy caused by there will attractive game to happen soon.

Liverpool won the European League more than two decades ago and this season they have a very big chance to repeat it with the players that Liverpool currently has and also in recent seasons they have played more often in the Champions League and have even had quite good results, so The European League looks easier for them to conquer, but we will wait until the knockout round where there will be several teams from the Champions League competition who will come down and play in the European League if they manage to get through the playoffs, then there is a chance that Liverpool will get a tougher opponent from the list teams currently in the European league, however, I still favor Liverpool to win and they have the ability to do it, the defeat against Toulouse cannot be used as a benchmark that Liverpool is an inconsistent team, they are the favorite team so far in this competition.

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Quote from: fzkto on November 21, 2023, 11:43:52 AM

So far Liverpool look really good as Europa League champions because they have usually achieved good results in the Champions League. But I think the competition will be there when relegation happens in the Champions League.

I remember liverpool was winning europa league a few years ago. The reds is going to repeat the same result as previous seasons. Liverpool is more than ready to get the europa league trophy. It's even stronger compared with another club at this moment.
Even sevilla was nothing against liverpool. The most favorite club to win the trophy this time. I would like to see liverpool to face a strong club from serie a like roma or sevilla from la liga only if sevilla will go down to the europa league again.

It makes me feel happy caused by there will attractive game to happen soon.

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Quote from: Jatiluhung on November 22, 2023, 12:32:05 AM

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So far Liverpool look really good as Europa League champions because they have usually achieved good results in the Champions League. But I think the competition will be there when relegation happens in the Champions League.

For now, the group stage will not be a problem for Liverpool, but the real challenge will be when the teams relegated from the Champions League arrive. But Liverpool's current quality seems like they will still be favorites in the European League. Because even in the Premier League we can see Liverpool being ranked 2nd and only having a small point difference with Man City. So it can be said that Liverpool will not even have difficulty facing teams from the Champions League. In the group stage, actually every match is still easy to predict. So betting on every match in the European League is quite fun because it is easier to predict. But the next stage always becomes more difficult. Like last season, Sevilla even surprised them by appearing impressively to beat their competitors. Even though Sevilla was not very good in Laliga at that time.

Liverpool is the favorite team in the European league and in La Liga because they performed impressively in both competitions. I think Liverpool biggest competitor is not only the team that was relegated from the Champions League, but we can see Leverkusen who also performed well in the two competitions. Liverpool is ranked first in the European league and the Bundesliga for now, so at least Liverpool have to train harder to faced tougher competition, especially if they have already qualified for the next rounds, Sevilla also has the opportunity to compete for the European league if in the Champions League Sevilla does not qualify for the 16th round big, we all know what Sevilla capabilities are in the European league and he also has experience and has dominated titles in the European league so if he returns it will be tough competition for Liverpool and also Leverkusen to fight for the title.

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I don't believe in Xabi Alonso's success in developing wings from Leverkusen, as a former Real Madrid and Bayern player, Xabi Alonso's experience is extraordinarily good, he has a good mix to perfect the team he is currently coaching, Leverkusen is successful on not defeated in the last few matches, they even qualified for the next phase in the DFB Pokal and European League, I'm sure Leverkusen will continue to be successful if coached by Xabi. in group H, leverkusen is firmly at the top with unbeaten results.

Xabi Alonso is definitely going to stay awhile with Leverkusen, considering how much he has achieved with the team so far since he assumes the head coach of the team, definitely they wouldn't let Hime go just like that because they believe he can achieve even more if only he stay a bit longer.

Who knows? Real madrid will lose ancellotti next year and the club is obviously seeking for a new coach to coaching the club. Xabi has been lined up as one of potential coach to replace ancellotti soon. No doubt that if real madrid will be trying so hard to get him if he will be targeted by el real.
The chance of leverkusen to lose him is very high caused by xabi has also ever played for real madrid and he was getting numerous achievements there. There is no feel doubt if xabi may be going there soon.
Zidane has also become one of candidate but i would prefer for real madrid to get xabi alonso. It will help madrid to win so various trophies.

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The results Leverkusen is getting now is such they have not had in a very long time in history, they have stayed unbeaten since rhis season both I'm the Europa and the bundesliga, a rear height they haven't attained in a while that up to the 10rh weak of the bundesliga thsy are yet to loose a single match but and have had only one draw and won the rest of their games, an achievement even the bigger teams in the bundesliga hasn't been able to achieve.

Leverkusen becomes a perfect club since xabi was going there. Leverkusen would be still staying at the bottom of him or even to be relegated this season. It's so amazing to see xabi was able making leverkusen to be placed at the top with only 1 season of his career as a new coach.
Leverkusen has made right decision to signed him as a new coach last season. I remember when many people doubted him.

I do not believe completely what Real Madrid and Carlo Ancelotti have been feeding the media. They have no problem internal even if it is clear that he has helped the club winning a lot since he returned back to the club.
It is a good time to see himself leaving after all the achievements around Europa. The only club I saw his tactics failing has to be his time as a manager for Everton in the Premier League. He had a first cool session but gradually it turned out to some dirty stuff.
Real Madrid legend has lived it, loved it and retired. Its time now to follow the steps of Zidane and come help the club win more trophies, agreements to sign a contract will happen only Florentino Perez wants it.

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Quote from: fzkto on November 21, 2023, 11:43:52 AM

So far Liverpool look really good as Europa League champions because they have usually achieved good results in the Champions League. But I think the competition will be there when relegation happens in the Champions League.

For now, the group stage will not be a problem for Liverpool, but the real challenge will be when the teams relegated from the Champions League arrive. But Liverpool's current quality seems like they will still be favorites in the European League. Because even in the Premier League we can see Liverpool being ranked 2nd and only having a small point difference with Man City. So it can be said that Liverpool will not even have difficulty facing teams from the Champions League. In the group stage, actually every match is still easy to predict. So betting on every match in the European League is quite fun because it is easier to predict. But the next stage always becomes more difficult. Like last season, Sevilla even surprised them by appearing impressively to beat their competitors. Even though Sevilla was not very good in Laliga at that time.

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Injuries causes decline in performance not just top players and it takes time before the player gets back to his full form; it takes generally hardwork and consistency, what will be worse if the decline in performance causes defeat of the team and it’s occurred in several teams, I feel alot of several big time would decline in performance based of this injury issues.

When you see team that’s not affected by injured players, then you should know the team has some quality players in key positions of the team. Squad depth comes into play e.g when there’s an injury there’s a player to cover up and it looks as if there’s no injury at all. We can see that in teams like Real Madrid, Manchester City, Leverkusen will come out top of the match and grab all 3 points.

But it is even worse if the decline in performance is caused by a loss of confidence and also feeling of lack of enthusiasm experienced by other players when main player is injured.
They will think that without these main players they will never be able to win and they will not even be able to play well and conditions like this will really destroy team hopes of winning the match.
In fact, the coach job is to give confidence and provide motivation that they can win without the main players, but some coaches fail to do this, which causes the team to decline over a longer period of time.

It is clear that they are team with very high quality playing composition throughout because when player is injured, there are still reserve players who have almost the same playing quality.
Even though it not many, several big teams have managed to have it and in several seasons they have proven it.

In this European League, I think the one who really looks consistent and stable is Leverkusen, they have shown how strong Xabi Alonso teaching is.

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