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Could have been an angry dude that just lost his bet that jumped in to take out his frustration? haha but it's crazy how easy it is for people from the crowd to enter the ring.  Octagon is a bit better for security.
I also found it weird that Groenhart curled up and almost went fetal with a dude from the crowd trying to fight him.  I would think a highly trained kickboxer could maybe land 1 knee which would paralyze a normal dude.
That is really unfortunate,which fight was that,was that in the NZ UFC,but i did not find any fighter being attacked by the crowd.The problem with these events are they will be providing booze in the arena and since you are watching a combat event anything could happen,you can never predict how someone would behave when they are high,full security must be given to the fighters no matter what.

It was the Murthel Groenhart vs. Harut Grigorian fight in Glory kickboxing.

Here's a link to a video clip of it: https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/873631499958071296
But you can just google it as well.

You'll see him Grigorian just start walking away while the fight is on...really weird...and get's KTFO.

Lol yeah alcohol changes the vibe of the audience, but these promotions and venue's need to sell their concessions...$12-15 beers.
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Could have been an angry dude that just lost his bet that jumped in to take out his frustration? haha but it's crazy how easy it is for people from the crowd to enter the ring.  Octagon is a bit better for security.
I also found it weird that Groenhart curled up and almost went fetal with a dude from the crowd trying to fight him.  I would think a highly trained kickboxer could maybe land 1 knee which would paralyze a normal dude.
That is really unfortunate,which fight was that,was that in the NZ UFC,but i did not find any fighter being attacked by the crowd.The problem with these events are they will be providing booze in the arena and since you are watching a combat event anything could happen,you can never predict how someone would behave when they are high,full security must be given to the fighters no matter what.
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Wasn't there a fan actually a couple come into the ring last night after a fight where a guy punch another when he was turned away.
But the thing is that punch was all legal and was allowed so those fans where out of order to go and attack that fighter.

Yeah man I saw that as well.  I think Grigorian, who eventually got knocked out just had a brain freeze after that knee to the head.  From his body language, it looked like he was walking to his corner as if the round was over.  Must have been some knee Wink

Could have been an angry dude that just lost his bet that jumped in to take out his frustration? haha but it's crazy how easy it is for people from the crowd to enter the ring.  Octagon is a bit better for security.

I also found it weird that Groenhart curled up and almost went fetal with a dude from the crowd trying to fight him.  I would think a highly trained kickboxer could maybe land 1 knee which would paralyze a normal dude.
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Wasn't there a fan actually a couple come into the ring last night after a fight where a guy punch another when he was turned away.
But the thing is that punch was all legal and was allowed so those fans where out of order to go and attack that fighter.
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@freeyourmind. I do not think Dana White is only like an employee now. He still has an interest of 9% of profits made by the company. He also still runs the show and has the power to make the decisions on matchmaking and other deals. 

Yeah you're right.  I know he sold his 9% share, but didn't know he still received 9% of future profits without that share in the company.  I stand corrected.

Although he definitely has different objectives, so it's not him totally running the show.  The UFC is run very differently before and after the sale.  It's about max viewership now, so fighters that are skilled and not the most popular, don't really get many opportunities.  We can see the behaviour of fighters changing, and artificially talking shit and being their own version of Conor to try and get some attention and viewership.

Im pretty sure White is very well off and retired for life, he will keep getting dividends from the company. I only see the UFC going higher and eventually will be able to get massive paydays for the fighters boxing style.

It depends on how good the fights are, it all comes down to that. If they give us the fights we want it will be a success.

He was supposed to get 360 million for selling his share to WME, and he was likely quite well off even before the sale.  Without having a well run fighters union OR legit competition in MMA, they pay isn't going to be like boxing.  Bellator would need to grow some more and directly compete with the UFC as a premiere organization, and then maybe they'll need to bid the price up on fighters.  Right now, unless you're one of the top handful of fighters/champions, you're probably not breaking 200k per fight.

Boxing has a very long legendary history as a sport. Give UFC some time. In a couple of decades it will be a more established sport with big paydays. It looks like all the kids are getting into MMA, so I would say MMA interest is growing more than boxing and at the end of the day all of these kids are the future UFC ticket buyers. In a couple of generations MMA will be consistently making more numbers than boxing, even tho I like boxing more but that's how it is.

That is of course unless boxing can create new big personalities with great talent that draw millions of people to tune in like Ali, Tyson, Floyd etc.

The Josua-Kltischko fight was exciting, I didn't felt that in a long time in the HW division so I hope I can see more of that.

Yeah MMA is getting a lot more popular, and it's been pretty mainstream for a few years now, with very frequent events (which dilutes the cards).  But the UFC is a single promotion, with Bellator as a growing #2.  It doesn't give many options for fighters to get paid well, regardless of whether or not UFC is making good gate/ppv revenue.  It doesn't affect the fighter's pay unless they are in a title fight or super popular.  I don't doubt that the UFC will make better numbers than boxing (they already do unless it's a huge boxing event I believe)...I just don't think it will translate into fighter pay until there is proper competition, and the UFC needs to start paying more or lose their fighters to other promotions.

And agreed, the Joshua Klitschko fight was very entertaining.  I like seeing GGG as well, but have shifted my interest in boxing to MMA around 15 years ago.
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That is of course unless boxing can create new big personalities with great talent that draw millions of people to tune in like Ali, Tyson, Floyd etc.
The Josua-Kltischko fight was exciting, I didn't felt that in a long time in the HW division so I hope I can see more of that.
The truth is people like fighters with personalities and those with big personalities made their huge paydays,in boxing we had those characters in Ali,Mayweather,Tyson but when it comes to MMA there was a shortage of big starts until McGregor came along and changed how pay per views and fighter salaries are made and now people are trying to be cocky now to get more attention and everyone wants to be Mcgregor. Cheesy
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Boxing has a very long legendary history as a sport. Give UFC some time. In a couple of decades it will be a more established sport with big paydays. It looks like all the kids are getting into MMA, so I would say MMA interest is growing more than boxing and at the end of the day all of these kids are the future UFC ticket buyers. In a couple of generations MMA will be consistently making more numbers than boxing, even tho I like boxing more but that's how it is.

Exactly.

Some UFC events have an attendance of 5,000.

NFL/NBA/soccer and other pro level sports have attendance of 75,000 - 100,000.

MMA fighters aren't paid as much as other athletes as MMA itself isn't as big or established.
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@freeyourmind. I do not think Dana White is only like an employee now. He still has an interest of 9% of profits made by the company. He also still runs the show and has the power to make the decisions on matchmaking and other deals. 

Yeah you're right.  I know he sold his 9% share, but didn't know he still received 9% of future profits without that share in the company.  I stand corrected.

Although he definitely has different objectives, so it's not him totally running the show.  The UFC is run very differently before and after the sale.  It's about max viewership now, so fighters that are skilled and not the most popular, don't really get many opportunities.  We can see the behaviour of fighters changing, and artificially talking shit and being their own version of Conor to try and get some attention and viewership.

Im pretty sure White is very well off and retired for life, he will keep getting dividends from the company. I only see the UFC going higher and eventually will be able to get massive paydays for the fighters boxing style.

It depends on how good the fights are, it all comes down to that. If they give us the fights we want it will be a success.

He was supposed to get 360 million for selling his share to WME, and he was likely quite well off even before the sale.  Without having a well run fighters union OR legit competition in MMA, they pay isn't going to be like boxing.  Bellator would need to grow some more and directly compete with the UFC as a premiere organization, and then maybe they'll need to bid the price up on fighters.  Right now, unless you're one of the top handful of fighters/champions, you're probably not breaking 200k per fight.

Boxing has a very long legendary history as a sport. Give UFC some time. In a couple of decades it will be a more established sport with big paydays. It looks like all the kids are getting into MMA, so I would say MMA interest is growing more than boxing and at the end of the day all of these kids are the future UFC ticket buyers. In a couple of generations MMA will be consistently making more numbers than boxing, even tho I like boxing more but that's how it is.

That is of course unless boxing can create new big personalities with great talent that draw millions of people to tune in like Ali, Tyson, Floyd etc.

The Josua-Kltischko fight was exciting, I didn't felt that in a long time in the HW division so I hope I can see more of that.
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@freeyourmind. I do not think Dana White is only like an employee now. He still has an interest of 9% of profits made by the company. He also still runs the show and has the power to make the decisions on matchmaking and other deals. 

Yeah you're right.  I know he sold his 9% share, but didn't know he still received 9% of future profits without that share in the company.  I stand corrected.

Although he definitely has different objectives, so it's not him totally running the show.  The UFC is run very differently before and after the sale.  It's about max viewership now, so fighters that are skilled and not the most popular, don't really get many opportunities.  We can see the behaviour of fighters changing, and artificially talking shit and being their own version of Conor to try and get some attention and viewership.

Im pretty sure White is very well off and retired for life, he will keep getting dividends from the company. I only see the UFC going higher and eventually will be able to get massive paydays for the fighters boxing style.

It depends on how good the fights are, it all comes down to that. If they give us the fights we want it will be a success.

He was supposed to get 360 million for selling his share to WME, and he was likely quite well off even before the sale.  Without having a well run fighters union OR legit competition in MMA, they pay isn't going to be like boxing.  Bellator would need to grow some more and directly compete with the UFC as a premiere organization, and then maybe they'll need to bid the price up on fighters.  Right now, unless you're one of the top handful of fighters/champions, you're probably not breaking 200k per fight.
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@freeyourmind. I do not think Dana White is only like an employee now. He still has an interest of 9% of profits made by the company. He also still runs the show and has the power to make the decisions on matchmaking and other deals. 

Yeah you're right.  I know he sold his 9% share, but didn't know he still received 9% of future profits without that share in the company.  I stand corrected.

Although he definitely has different objectives, so it's not him totally running the show.  The UFC is run very differently before and after the sale.  It's about max viewership now, so fighters that are skilled and not the most popular, don't really get many opportunities.  We can see the behaviour of fighters changing, and artificially talking shit and being their own version of Conor to try and get some attention and viewership.

Im pretty sure White is very well off and retired for life, he will keep getting dividends from the company. I only see the UFC going higher and eventually will be able to get massive paydays for the fighters boxing style.

It depends on how good the fights are, it all comes down to that. If they give us the fights we want it will be a success.
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@freeyourmind. I do not think Dana White is only like an employee now. He still has an interest of 9% of profits made by the company. He also still runs the show and has the power to make the decisions on matchmaking and other deals. 

Yeah you're right.  I know he sold his 9% share, but didn't know he still received 9% of future profits without that share in the company.  I stand corrected.

Although he definitely has different objectives, so it's not him totally running the show.  The UFC is run very differently before and after the sale.  It's about max viewership now, so fighters that are skilled and not the most popular, don't really get many opportunities.  We can see the behaviour of fighters changing, and artificially talking shit and being their own version of Conor to try and get some attention and viewership.
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@freeyourmind. I do not think Dana White is only like an employee now. He still has an interest of 9% of profits made by the company. He also still runs the show and has the power to make the decisions on matchmaking and other deals. 
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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.
You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.      

Conor will enjoy his unbeatable aura for as long as he doesn't come back into the UFC.

Honestly I think his career is over. He will fight Floyd, get 9 figures, then come back to the UFC to:

1) Fight Khabib
2) Fight Fergusson
3) Fight Woodley

All of these guys can beat him, it could be ugly if he goes into the floor with Khabib, or Woodley due the weight difference.

I hope I can be proved wrong, and if someone can prove me wrong and do incredible things then that has to be McGregor.

I'm interested to see Connor fight Khabib. Hard core fight fans has been calling this fight to happen in more than a year. Khabib has been holding one of the longest winnings(undefeated) in the UFC. I hope Khabib can recover back and fight either Ferguson for the interim belt of fight Connor just for the sake of seeing who will be the top dog of Lightweight division.

Dana White is a businessman and knows Conor McGregor is the UFC cashcow. If he fights Khabib, he is risking his cashcow. Look at Ronda Rousey, she was a solid cashcow, now her career is over.

But like I said before, all of his possible fights (that the fans want to watch) are an huge risk for Conor.

Woodley, Khabib, Ferguson... lets see how Conor handles that.

That's true, but after the UFC has been sold to WME, Dana no longer has equity in the company as far as I know.  He's just an employee now that agreed to continue to run the show.  WME definitely has an objective of max revenue over being a fair sport.

In terms of Conor though...the real money is with the Mayweather fight...the other UFC fights won't be anything close to that.
legendary
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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.
You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.      

Conor will enjoy his unbeatable aura for as long as he doesn't come back into the UFC.

Honestly I think his career is over. He will fight Floyd, get 9 figures, then come back to the UFC to:

1) Fight Khabib
2) Fight Fergusson
3) Fight Woodley

All of these guys can beat him, it could be ugly if he goes into the floor with Khabib, or Woodley due the weight difference.

I hope I can be proved wrong, and if someone can prove me wrong and do incredible things then that has to be McGregor.

I'm interested to see Connor fight Khabib. Hard core fight fans has been calling this fight to happen in more than a year. Khabib has been holding one of the longest winnings(undefeated) in the UFC. I hope Khabib can recover back and fight either Ferguson for the interim belt of fight Connor just for the sake of seeing who will be the top dog of Lightweight division.

Dana White is a businessman and knows Conor McGregor is the UFC cashcow. If he fights Khabib, he is risking his cashcow. Look at Ronda Rousey, she was a solid cashcow, now her career is over.

But like I said before, all of his possible fights (that the fans want to watch) are an huge risk for Conor.

Woodley, Khabib, Ferguson... lets see how Conor handles that.
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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.
You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.      

Conor will enjoy his unbeatable aura for as long as he doesn't come back into the UFC.

Honestly I think his career is over. He will fight Floyd, get 9 figures, then come back to the UFC to:

1) Fight Khabib
2) Fight Fergusson
3) Fight Woodley

All of these guys can beat him, it could be ugly if he goes into the floor with Khabib, or Woodley due the weight difference.

I hope I can be proved wrong, and if someone can prove me wrong and do incredible things then that has to be McGregor.

I'm interested to see Connor fight Khabib. Hard core fight fans has been calling this fight to happen in more than a year. Khabib has been holding one of the longest winnings(undefeated) in the UFC. I hope Khabib can recover back and fight either Ferguson for the interim belt of fight Connor just for the sake of seeing who will be the top dog of Lightweight division.

I don't think Khabib will get to fight Conor for his next fight.  Since he unfortunately had to pull out of the Ferguson fight, I think that Tony would be next in line for the title fight.  But rankings and giving the fight to who's most deserving isn't really how the UFC operates anymore, and especially with Conor.

Let's see if the Mayweather fight even happens.  I think the lightweight division will be on pause until we know whether or not that fight is going to happen.
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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.
You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.      

Conor will enjoy his unbeatable aura for as long as he doesn't come back into the UFC.

Honestly I think his career is over. He will fight Floyd, get 9 figures, then come back to the UFC to:

1) Fight Khabib
2) Fight Fergusson
3) Fight Woodley

All of these guys can beat him, it could be ugly if he goes into the floor with Khabib, or Woodley due the weight difference.

I hope I can be proved wrong, and if someone can prove me wrong and do incredible things then that has to be McGregor.

I'm interested to see Connor fight Khabib. Hard core fight fans has been calling this fight to happen in more than a year. Khabib has been holding one of the longest winnings(undefeated) in the UFC. I hope Khabib can recover back and fight either Ferguson for the interim belt of fight Connor just for the sake of seeing who will be the top dog of Lightweight division.
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Do you think Jose Aldo over did steroid use in the UFC? Not in all his MMA career, but just in the UFC.

AFAIK there was no out-of-competition drug testing before USADA.

Fighters could avoid drug tests by taking 3 months when they didn't have fights scheduled to cycle steroids & other PED's, knowing they wouldn't be tested.

Looking at fighter records, those with consistent 6-8 months inbetween fights like Jose Aldo has could have abused PED's outside testing.

Kevin Randleman's official reason of death was "pneumonia". It's too hard to know what cause it specifically.

This is interesting.



I think both Kimbo and Randleman may have died due to heart complications.
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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.
You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.     

Conor will enjoy his unbeatable aura for as long as he doesn't come back into the UFC.

Honestly I think his career is over. He will fight Floyd, get 9 figures, then come back to the UFC to:

1) Fight Khabib
2) Fight Fergusson
3) Fight Woodley

All of these guys can beat him, it could be ugly if he goes into the floor with Khabib, or Woodley due the weight difference.

I hope I can be proved wrong, and if someone can prove me wrong and do incredible things then that has to be McGregor.
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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.
You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.     

The other thing is they don't allow you to rehydrate with IV's after the weigh-in, and Aldo looks like he cuts a lot to make weight.  It's going to be very tough for him to climb back to the top in my opinion.  Not because I doubt his skill (although he'll have to regain his self-confidence), but because his opponents will be much more confident after seeing his vulnerability vs. before he fought Conor and he looked invincible to an opponent.
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Life, Love and Laughter...
No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.
You really cannot confirm the death of Randleman and Kimbo is solely because of PED use,look at the fights they have being it can be because of long term trauma ,you can only speculate about it,most of the WWE starts your mentioned died young because of the drug abuse ,mainly synthetic and other drugs and a mixture of PED to ripe their body,those combinations are deadly.

There is more to it than just steroids.  Almost all fighters also have multiple concussions.  Randleman had nasty staff infections as well.

Check this out:




Eww that looks really nasty.  It's like something is eating up the flesh and working its way going inside. 
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