UFC 212: Aldo vs Holloway Info and Prediction Thread - page 2.

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Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.

You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

Conor McGregor already destroyed the soul of Jose Aldo as a fighter on their last match, in that day Aldo's era has ended. He came back after the that loss and fought with Frankie Edgar (win via unanimous decision), still his prime is not fading. I watched Aldo's interview after the loss to Max Holloway he said "We go down so we can get back up'", I hope to see the classic Aldo in the future.

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Quote from: joshy23 on June 06, 2017, 05:33:33 PM

Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.

You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

Yes. It seems that he's lost to McGregor was still in his mind. That lost really took a tool of Jose Aldo. He is still a skilled fighter no doubt, but it looks like its more on a mental for him. Its like a skeleton on his closet really. I'm also hope that Jose Aldo can go back to his old version, but I doubt it. He needs to get a win to boost his confidence. A really good win against top player to be in the contention again.

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Quote from: joshy23 on June 06, 2017, 05:33:33 PM

Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.

You can only speculate whether he was doing that or not,with the loss to McGregor, Aldo is a different fighter,he never landed any leg kicks and his game plan for the entire fight was just stupid and it is a well known fact that Jose Aldo does not have a great stamina and that is how the match ended,he was explosive and aggressive when the busted into the scene,i would like to see that version of Aldo in future fights .

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 06, 2017, 05:21:17 PM

@freeyourmind i can understand that,having a tough mind is good,but with age and with amount of abuse a body can take depends upon individuals and there will be a point where you body wont be able to tolerate anything,toughness comes from a mental perspective ,the fact is i like smart fighters rather than being tough,one the biggest example is Mayweather,is he a boring fighter ,hell yeah,but does he take any damages during a fight,hell no,does he spar smart,hell yes,is he making a ton of money,hell yes. The most important thing to be asked is,will he be able to live a healthy life after the fight career is over and that is the biggest think every fighter need to understand .

I agree with. There are tons of tons of Peds user but there will be a time that your body will not take it anymore.

Regarding Jose Aldo, my personal opinions say that somewhere in his career in UFC, I suspect that does PEDs in the Chad Mendes(another suspected steroids user-his body is screaming with steroids. LOL) fight. I think he likely stop using PEDs in the McGregor fight and the fight with Max Holloway.

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@freeyourmind i can understand that,having a tough mind is good,but with age and with amount of abuse a body can take depends upon individuals and there will be a point where you body wont be able to tolerate anything,toughness comes from a mental perspective ,the fact is i like smart fighters rather than being tough,one the biggest example is Mayweather,is he a boring fighter ,hell yeah,but does he take any damages during a fight,hell no,does he spar smart,hell yes,is he making a ton of money,hell yes. The most important thing to be asked is,will he be able to live a healthy life after the fight career is over and that is the biggest thing every fighter need to understand .

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 06, 2017, 11:47:41 AM

@freeyourmind that is one nasty pic,was having my food when i saw that snap and voila i was about to vomit seeing that. Sad

They are professional athletes and they could not care about their body,strange attitude
@ if you are talking about drug abuse every athlete was on juice and it all started in athletics and body building and then it translated to other sports and even now Japanese promotion fighters are juiced to the gills as they want spectacle rather than a sporting event. I am not a fan of Aldo's preparation as half of his in ring bouts are over within his camp as they engage in hard sparring session like in the real fight and that could take a toll in the body and with a relative small age of 30,it looks like his reign is over.

lol sorry dude...I sometimes do have that effect on people Cheesy

I think the fighters definitely do care about their bodies...however they have a very "tough" mentality at the same time, which means you're going to address issues very late. Most of them just tough through it, and depending on the type of injury or issue they have, might work some of the time. Other stuff definitely requires medical attention...like the staff infection he had.

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@freeyourmind that is one nasty pic,was having my food when i saw that snap and voila i was about to vomit seeing that. Sad

They are professional athletes and they could not care about their body,strange attitude
@ if you are talking about drug abuse every athlete was on juice and it all started in athletics and body building and then it translated to other sports and even now Japanese promotion fighters are juiced to the gills as they want spectacle rather than a sporting event. I am not a fan of Aldo's preparation as half of his in ring bouts are over within his camp as they engage in hard sparring session like in the real fight and that could take a toll in the body and with a relative small age of 30,it looks like his reign is over.

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Quote from: Marma Kalari on June 05, 2017, 04:43:39 PM

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No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

You really cannot confirm the death of Randleman and Kimbo is solely because of PED use,look at the fights they have being it can be because of long term trauma ,you can only speculate about it,most of the WWE starts your mentioned died young because of the drug abuse ,mainly synthetic and other drugs and a mixture of PED to ripe their body,those combinations are deadly.

Kevin Randleman's official reason of death was "pneumonia". It's too hard to know what cause it specifically.

Kimbo was a street fighter, those fights are brutal, then again he usually fucked everyone up. He was never a top professional, and Kevin got a 17–16 record so that's a lot of damage.

Nontheless pretty sure they were on the juice, but that's a standard in the sport.

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Quote from: Marma Kalari on June 05, 2017, 04:43:39 PM

Quote from: Hydrogen on June 05, 2017, 02:08:11 PM

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

You really cannot confirm the death of Randleman and Kimbo is solely because of PED use,look at the fights they have being it can be because of long term trauma ,you can only speculate about it,most of the WWE starts your mentioned died young because of the drug abuse ,mainly synthetic and other drugs and a mixture of PED to ripe their body,those combinations are deadly.

There is more to it than just steroids. Almost all fighters also have multiple concussions. Randleman had nasty staff infections as well.

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@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

It all depends on whether Jose Aldo has abused steroids during his career.

If Aldo abused steroids, eventually he could reach a point where his heart & cardiovascular system will become damaged & negatively affect his cardio.

That could be what happened to Aldo when he fought Frankie Edgar. Aldo had to pace himself and only fought the last 1-2 minutes of each round. Frankie Edgar made the mistake of giving Aldo a lot of time and space to recover when Aldo did get tired. Max Holloway gave Aldo no time to rest and threw a lot of body shots. That could be why Aldo started to get tired in the 3rd round & he slowed down enough that Max Holloway was able to finish him.

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

Yes that is a good analogy. The Brazilians were always known to abuse steroids way back during the days of Pride FC. Shogun, Vanderlei and the some of the rest were always on it during events.

Do you think Jose Aldo over did steroid use in the UFC? Not in all his MMA career, but just in the UFC.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on June 05, 2017, 02:08:11 PM

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

You really cannot confirm the death of Randleman and Kimbo is solely because of PED use,look at the fights they have being it can be because of long term trauma ,you can only speculate about it,most of the WWE starts your mentioned died young because of the drug abuse ,mainly synthetic and other drugs and a mixture of PED to ripe their body,those combinations are deadly.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on June 05, 2017, 02:08:11 PM

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@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

It all depends on whether Jose Aldo has abused steroids during his career.

If Aldo abused steroids, eventually he could reach a point where his heart & cardiovascular system will become damaged & negatively affect his cardio.

That could be what happened to Aldo when he fought Frankie Edgar. Aldo had to pace himself and only fought the last 1-2 minutes of each round. Frankie Edgar made the mistake of giving Aldo a lot of time and space to recover when Aldo did get tired. Max Holloway gave Aldo no time to rest and threw a lot of body shots. That could be why Aldo started to get tired in the 3rd round & he slowed down enough that Max Holloway was able to finish him.

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

The Frankie Edgar vs Jose Aldo fight really exposed how his stamina is. It has been in question years ago but he keeps on winning that's why it is put out of the window. And I think Edgar won that fight. Aldo was just lucky that he was the champion then but I think Frankie won round 3-5 at least in my own card. No one keeps record of PED abusers, until thy die.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 04, 2017, 07:18:07 PM

@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

It all depends on whether Jose Aldo has abused steroids during his career.

If Aldo abused steroids, eventually he could reach a point where his heart & cardiovascular system will become damaged & negatively affect his cardio.

That could be what happened to Aldo when he fought Frankie Edgar. Aldo had to pace himself and only fought the last 1-2 minutes of each round. Frankie Edgar made the mistake of giving Aldo a lot of time and space to recover when Aldo did get tired. Max Holloway gave Aldo no time to rest and threw a lot of body shots. That could be why Aldo started to get tired in the 3rd round & he slowed down enough that Max Holloway was able to finish him.

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

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No words to describe my frustration,i think it is time for Aldo to change the camp if he wants to improve and have a real strategy ,people are studying his game for a long time and for the first two rounds he was managing to win the rounds,he did not throw one leg kick which really surprised me and in the third round it is all over,the reign is over for good,huge loss in my bets too.

Hmmm. The way I analyzed it, seems to me the new breed of UFC fighters are emerging. Jose Aldo has been a very good fighter. But now new fighters are raising the bar, like Holloway, that keeps some very extra-ordinary fighters be like ordinary now. Look at what happened to Ronda. They have already caught up with Ronda and she looks like just a ordinary fighter now. Same as Robbie Lawler, Anthony Pettis and now Aldo.
Only one I'm seeing is Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones (but we have to see it if he fight next). Fighters are really notching one level above and we are seeing a new wave of fighter making those ex-champs obsolete, if I may say.

Well of course your thoughts are very much appreciated. I'm just calling it the way I see the UFC fighters now. Evolving.

The game is definitely elevating over time, and in reality it's super tough to be champion for so long. GSP went into retirement from the stress of being champion for so many years.

I think Ronda had a bit of a different situation because of her persona in the ring, as a killer. Female fighters were highly intimidated by her and couldn't properly execute their game plan. Holly was the first to expose how bad her footwork is when boxing. Probably the worst footwork in the UFC, but she knocked out Bethe Correia so people thought she was a great boxer. Holly picked her apart, and then that "immortal" persona went out the window. Boxing mitts and actually fighting are so different. She's great at hitting mitts with Edmond "head movement" Tarverdyan lol.

Aldo really relies on his reflexes, quickness, explosiveness and power....which doesn't usually translate into aging well as a fighter. Those things are only going to slow down with time.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 05, 2017, 12:08:06 PM

Only one I'm seeing is Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones (but we have to see it if he fight next). Fighters are really notching one level above and we are seeing a new wave of fighter making those ex-champs obsolete, if I may say.

We saw the growth of Mighty Mouse Johnson from his WEC days at 135 pounds and now the undisputed king at 125 pounds and he has improved his game a lot and keeps on improving,Jon Jones is the greatest fighter the world has seen till now,you cannot find many weakness with Jones and almost all of the holes are closed when it comes to Mighty Mouse,sure the new breed is taking the bar higher and with the exit of Aldo we have new match ups and Edgar will get a chance to face someone for the championship other than Aldo.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 04, 2017, 12:38:24 PM

No words to describe my frustration,i think it is time for Aldo to change the camp if he wants to improve and have a real strategy ,people are studying his game for a long time and for the first two rounds he was managing to win the rounds,he did not throw one leg kick which really surprised me and in the third round it is all over,the reign is over for good,huge loss in my bets too.

Hmmm. The way I analyzed it, seems to me the new breed of UFC fighters are emerging. Jose Aldo has been a very good fighter. But now new fighters are raising the bar, like Holloway, that keeps some very extra-ordinary fighters be like ordinary now. Look at what happened to Ronda. They have already caught up with Ronda and she looks like just a ordinary fighter now. Same as Robbie Lawler, Anthony Pettis and now Aldo.
Only one I'm seeing is Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones (but we have to see it if he fight next). Fighters are really notching one level above and we are seeing a new wave of fighter making those ex-champs obsolete, if I may say.

Well of course your thoughts are very much appreciated. I'm just calling it the way I see the UFC fighters now. Evolving.

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Jose Aldo was making a good job until he got rocked. He was throwing good jabs but the other guy got some good angles counter attacking and he was able to throw him at the floor and fuck shit up.

Holloway and Conor is now in the realm of possibility but I think we all want to see Tony Ferguson, Khabib, or even Tyron Woodley above a Holloway fight.

Conor will fight Mayweather first before an UFC fight tho. But then one of those guys will fight Conor.

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First round of Aldo Vs Holloway I give it to Aldo and I thought Aldo have this fight in the bag but Holloway have a fight plan that I many didn't see coming. Holloway waited for the right time and Aldo runs out of gas to continue. Last Saturdays Aldo is different from the Aldo that we see on UFC 163, 169, 179. Maybe Aldo is very cautious after his fight with McGregor.

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yup weird he didnt throw one leg kick he needed to slow max down for the later rounds

Yup. And wtf, Aldo got tired by the third round? He has more championship rounds experience than Holloway. It's really surprising.

So who's next for Holloway? Edgar? The division just got boring.

Maybe Aldo wants to proved something here by going toe to toe and not using his vaunted leg kick to his advantage.

Watch the last Aldo vs Edgar fight, Aldo didn't use the leg kicks much either. It was Aldo fighting another way which was good against Edgar but it would have been better if he had the leg kicks against Holloway. But hindsight is always 50/50.

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Well its pretty solid division to me. We still have Frankie Edgar, who should get his title shot after defeating Yair earlier. And then we have Ricardo Llamas, Cub Swanson and Anthony Pettis in the line.

Pettis, Llamas are ok, but something I won't really care about if they fight Holloway, Same with Edgar. He lost to Aldo twice in the UFC, watching him fight the guy who beat Aldo won't pique my interest either.

Holloway vs Cub Swanson 2? Maybe...

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@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

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