UK 20% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest part of the country

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 27, 2021, 05:02:30 AM

I did notice the second option my friend, but I still insist, gambling is not a double-edged sword in this respect. It should never be seen as an alternative to gaining wealth, it should only be seen as entertainment, where, if you're not lucky, you don't get your deposits back but enjoyed it anyway. If you're lucky, you had fun AND won some money from it.

I love gambling. But for me, it can and never will be an income or wealth alternative. If I get lucky sure. But I can't count on luck.

Well, I really like you, this is where differences of opinion make me know more about how to respect opinions. In this way I have a variety of choices regarding gambling, in your opinion and in my opinion, there is a point. What's not true is greed in gambling, don't you think mate? As long as we can still learn to control, whether it's for entertainment or as luck for more profits, we certainly still gamble with common sense.

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Quote from: michellee on August 27, 2021, 12:53:35 PM

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

The government will step up and act if they are concern with the situation in their country. But the problem now is many countries still face this pandemic which is not yet to end. The government's focus is on how they can help their people to prevent the virus infection and not to check on the casino in the poor place. Maybe later when they can control the situation and the economy can operate normally, they will investigate it more to find out the reason. Of course, the government will ask the casino owners about the real reason and if the owner casino proved to target the poor people by building the casino in their environment, maybe the government will do something.

Probably the big factor in taking this account from their priorities, the pandemic is the most focus thing in every country that being hit by this virus; the government is more busy finding the best solution to lessen the spread and if possible, to avoid more people who live from their jurisdiction being infected by this virus.

After that, maybe they can see this and check it out. If there's a need to step out and seek for these gambling shops, they'll surely take action accordingly.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2021, 01:06:13 PM

Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

The government will step up and act if they are concern with the situation in their country. But the problem now is many countries still face this pandemic which is not yet to end. The government's focus is on how they can help their people to prevent the virus infection and not to check on the casino in the poor place. Maybe later when they can control the situation and the economy can operate normally, they will investigate it more to find out the reason. Of course, the government will ask the casino owners about the real reason and if the owner casino proved to target the poor people by building the casino in their environment, maybe the government will do something.

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Quote from: madnessteat on August 26, 2021, 07:01:59 AM

Quote from: just_Alice on August 25, 2021, 11:36:48 AM

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.

Gambling houses can only make decent profit from poors through lottery and scratch off games, because the tickets are cheap, gamblers don't need to occupy the place for too long, what generates a higher flux of customers and the profit is made by quantity of players instead of the quality of players.

But for traditional casinos houses it's not interesting to focus on poor gamblers, because they will occupy a slot machine or a cards table to make cheap bets, while a rich player could be sat in front of that same slot machine or table making more expensive bets during the same time period.

Also, while it's true some poor people think they can make profit from gambling and for that reason they spend more than they should, rich people also spend a lot of money in gambling, not exactly because they think it will return them profit frequently, but because they have a lot of money to expend in hobby activities like this without bad consequences later.

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Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.

I did notice the second option my friend, but I still insist, gambling is not a double-edged sword in this respect. It should never be seen as an alternative to gaining wealth, it should only be seen as entertainment, where, if you're not lucky, you don't get your deposits back but enjoyed it anyway. If you're lucky, you had fun AND won some money from it.

I love gambling. But for me, it can and never will be an income or wealth alternative. If I get lucky sure. But I can't count on luck.

You and he both have their own goals, be it entertainment or seeking wealth, it's up to how you respond to gambling. The most important thing is when you feel happy. Either happy because they are entertained or happy because they get riches. Regarding double-edged gambling, I return it to each of you who are adults who can choose and sort out what is good and what is bad for life.
Oh, most importantly gamble with your money, don't let you borrow it from friends. I think you can understand it simply.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 26, 2021, 09:19:49 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 26, 2021, 05:24:12 AM

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Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.

I did notice the second option my friend, but I still insist, gambling is not a double-edged sword in this respect. It should never be seen as an alternative to gaining wealth, it should only be seen as entertainment, where, if you're not lucky, you don't get your deposits back but enjoyed it anyway. If you're lucky, you had fun AND won some money from it.

I love gambling. But for me, it can and never will be an income or wealth alternative. If I get lucky sure. But I can't count on luck.

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Quote from: madnessteat on August 26, 2021, 07:01:59 AM

Quote from: just_Alice on August 25, 2021, 11:36:48 AM

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.

They would really be using that disadvantage for their advantage or making profit because poor people would always have that mindset on how to make money and if they do find out some residing casinos into their place
then most common impression would be talking about playing on that particular place.

No doubt on why gambling site owners do really consider on placing their casinos into those places rather than on going to cities on where rich people do reside?

It would really be needing just some common sense for you to find or determine on why they have done such thing.They wont really be making actions without any basis.

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Quote from: just_Alice on August 25, 2021, 11:36:48 AM

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

That is basically the argument of the link I gave in the OP which is why I am asking the question if you think that is the case or if there is some other explanation for it, personally I think this is just a matter of saving costs for those gambling venues as it is obvious that renting or buying a property near a poor neighborhood must be cheaper than to do so in a rich neighborhood, and as such this is just the economy dictating the choices that people make which is completely normal, but I was open to see if there are other points of view that can be considered.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 26, 2021, 01:06:13 PM

Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

On the other hand, the government will take further action regarding what they should be warning about, but how do the people there actually benefit from casino funds? does the government still insist on taking action that results in the closure of casinos?

I think the government needs to do some interaction or some kind of interview about it and get a direct response from the people living around the remote towns setting up casinos in England.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.

As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.

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at some point, some can break the cycle and raise from poverty.

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Quote from: harizen on August 26, 2021, 03:11:56 AM

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

Because of the hardship of life of poor people, they are taking a chance on gambling many gambling establishments are targetting not only poor people but middle income as well that is why they have a location on the poor district, in our district alone there are lottery betting in almost every corner of the street and our government who are running these casinos are making a lot of money.

Government running casinos then letting the poor lose more while gambling? What kind of country targets only the poor and then neglects its economy just to profit from the casinos? then the government enjoys it freely? This is a very bad policy, the government and the rich only do oppression when free casinos are standing without choosing the right location.

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Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Haven't you heard of lottery? Or the praise about lottery that it's also called a poor man's tax? You must be so out of touch that you haven't heard of that, and that's where I get my opinion that it's a way to tax the poor at least in some parts of the country. They're not taxing them in a way dummy, that's just a phrase, kind of like a conspiracy to make people in the marginalized sector pay the government in a way that's not illegal hence the gambling or lottery.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

This is from UK, I'm not from UK but it could be both they are renting the place cheap and they want to be in a place where there are a lot of people or very populated, there's also a possibility that they targetting sectors from that region because poor people in UK can also play in the gambling establishment, UK is a first world country and people have the means to play in gambling establishment whatever his status in life.

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Quote from: just_Alice on August 25, 2021, 11:36:48 AM

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

The cost of operating a casino can be high but I don't think the owners will save a bit on the cost of renting the premises, they will even agree to buy the land for ease of management, therefore, the rental cost factor to choose the location of the poor area is not reasonable. Of course, targeting the poor also can't bring a perfect profit with their level of income but the remoteness of an area is a good way to limit legal inquiry and real estate is a golden area no matter where, the average casino can't buy a good piece of land in the center but they can buy the poor's land cheaply by leading the poor into their casino

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 26, 2021, 05:24:12 AM

If your parents are smokers, children have a higher chance of becoming a smoker. The same thing happens with drinking, gambling, and other vices. It's a common problem and no surprise because well, if you grow up in such an environment, then you become accustomed to it, you get peer pressured into it, and it becomes normalized.

This isn't about occupation either (although actually in the past, occupations of parents also bear an impact on children, again, at lower income levels). If farmer parents manage to break it to middle class, like you, then great. But if you would still be living on a farm in a lower class family, what would your likely job options be?

Poverty is a huge obstacle...

Poverty is a barrier? you are right, but who wants to be born poor? if we could choose.

Not a few parents of farmers and their children also become farmers, but they are successful. How do you deal with this? Is it poor for you to be a farmer? Unfortunately, we eat from their hard work, without farmers we are just a bunch of slackers who just ask for food on the side of the road.

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Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.

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Quote from: just_Alice on August 25, 2021, 11:36:48 AM

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 25, 2021, 05:02:16 AM

As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

What do you mean by hereditary? social problem? I'm not too sure about that?
Poverty has never been passed down to the next generation, even education has different domains so that it cannot be generalized into one generation. For example, my parents earn from being a farmer, and I don't necessarily have a farm income myself, I have income from crypto, is it passed down from generation to generation?

If your parents are smokers, children have a higher chance of becoming a smoker. The same thing happens with drinking, gambling, and other vices. It's a common problem and no surprise because well, if you grow up in such an environment, then you become accustomed to it, you get peer pressured into it, and it becomes normalized.

This isn't about occupation either (although actually in the past, occupations of parents also bear an impact on children, again, at lower income levels). If farmer parents manage to break it to middle class, like you, then great. But if you would still be living on a farm in a lower class family, what would your likely job options be?

Poverty is a huge obstacle...

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Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

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No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

The areas in their entirety aren't poor, because a lot of people live there. Also there are a lot of poor areas in the UK, and well above 10 million people are living there, by various estimations. And don't forget that the UK isn't Africa. Even a poor in the UK has a buck or two to gamble with.

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Quote from: Poker Player on August 26, 2021, 01:31:59 AM

No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

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