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Quote from: crzy on August 24, 2021, 06:47:04 PM

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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.

As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year.

Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.

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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.

Might true but its totally dumb that poor people would really be making some shot on playing into these casinos.If this is truly the reason then its really effective because
it wouldnt really be that many on that place if they arent making money and if its the way on taxing out poor people then they would impose higher percentage that
they would get into the gambling house itself but well it isnt really that much of an issue since it wouldnt really be that a serious amount to be taken.

The whole world runs on the back of the poor people.

They eat mcdonalds, they drink coke, they gamble, they buy unnecessary crap, they use drugs, they smoke...

Seeing the pattern?

The rich and smart almost never do these things or do it a lot less. Almost all businesses abuse the poor people. Some of them (like casinos) do it plainly, the others do it quietly.

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Always it is the left-wing mouthpieces such as The Guardian which dishes out such propaganda articles. If the majority of the gambling joints are located in the poorest parts of the country, that also means that they are providing jobs to the poorest. This is what the left-wing does. They destroy the jobs of the poor people and then provoke them to riot against the government. Socialists doesn't want the poor to earn a living. Instead they want them to live off handouts from the government, so that they will be in a state of perpetual dependence.

Once these gambling joints are closed down, then the gamblers will just move to underground casinos. But for those who worked in these joints, there will be no alternative.

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Quote from: crzy on August 24, 2021, 06:47:04 PM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 24, 2021, 06:22:28 PM

I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.

As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year.

If in your country gambling is legal, the casino owner will not have a problem spending much money to build the casino in any commercial buildings because that means the casino can attract more richest people to visit their places. That means their product will be in front of their eyes and only need to give the best services to those richest people to get their money because when they satisfy with the casino, they will spend huge money on the casino. They build casinos in poorer areas because they want to rent a cheap building and modify it to attract the local gamblers.

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I suspect it's simply due to the fact wealthiest zones are less populated, while poorer areas have more residents offering a more dynamic economical daily life. Businesses which rely on direct sales/direct interactions with the public in general aren't located in the richest areas of a country, but at the most popular ones. Also, as @Silberman mentioned, those areas are also more affordable for entrepeurners to run their businesses, because they offer cheaper properties for rent.

The news' goal is clear though: to say gambling industry is evil because they are getting money from the miserable instead of targeting the richest. What can't be proved at all. Personally I think casinos aren't fool to target people who don't have money to spend frequently. Of course they aim the big players, otherwise the industry wouldn't be profitable at all.

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another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Data always has multiple explanations as to its interpretations. The poorer people become the smaller size property they likely reside in, if Im stuck in the house all the time I'd consider going out to gamble at any venue a more reasonable distraction. If I were a millionaire who built a perfectly air con palace with all the things I could ever want I'm far more likely to phone in the bet and watch it on my big screen. I think thats quite reasonable, lots of drinking establishments near the poorest part of town I guess. Quite often its more profitable to serve the many then the few.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 24, 2021, 06:22:28 PM

I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.

As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year.

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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 24, 2021, 05:32:23 PM

Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I don't think that they are likely targeting poor individuals at all, in fact that would be a rather stupid business move don't you think?

Rather, it is likely because the price of real estate/rentals are simply too unaffordable in more affluent neighbourhoods and there is a general lack of demand in gambling services in these areas. You have to look beneath the surface to dig out the truth with these stats.

Do you know Poor individual spend more compare to rich people who always buy the branded items?
This is why Chinese businesses are growing because of a cheaper product and of course they are targeting the poor people or at least those who are on a middle class.

So for me, this is same thing with the strategy of those gambling site or maybe they are just expanding their businesses all over the country to dominate the gambling activities on that specific are. The volume of middle to poor class are way more compare to rich people who prefer to play on a most exclusive venue, how can a business grow if they only work with the rich people?

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Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I don't think that they are likely targeting poor individuals at all, in fact that would be a rather stupid business move don't you think?

Rather, it is likely because the price of real estate/rentals are simply too unaffordable in more affluent neighbourhoods and there is a general lack of demand in gambling services in these areas. You have to look beneath the surface to dig out the truth with these stats.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.

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Quote from: ipanks on August 24, 2021, 09:11:13 AM

I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.

Might true but its totally dumb that poor people would really be making some shot on playing into these casinos.If this is truly the reason then its really effective because
it wouldnt really be that many on that place if they arent making money and if its the way on taxing out poor people then they would impose higher percentage that
they would get into the gambling house itself but well it isnt really that much of an issue since it wouldnt really be that a serious amount to be taken.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on August 24, 2021, 03:24:49 PM

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Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Gambling houses might have considered on building their venue into these places due to those reasons you had mentioned which they are particularly taking advantage on what a poor mind does have

and the desperation that they do have where they do need to make money even on the fastest and riskiest way and this turns out to be successful because no further establishments would be created
if they do look that it wasnt really effective.

probably they got this idea from the common idea that lottery is a tax on the poor
though I agree with you that gambling houses aren't, first because they are usually private and not run by the government
second because it's really different than lottery, and prices/money needed to play are higher than lottery too.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on August 24, 2021, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: ipanks on August 24, 2021, 09:11:13 AM

I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.

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It's great to hear how casinos are founded on economic instability in certain areas, first things first for sure some areas of the UK with all the tax evasion are quite reasonable.

Then about things that can be positive or negative, regardless of how the casino has been set up to date and in fact people tend to support it or they are deliberately trying to get every rich person to spend their money there.

Take advantage, and let them take their fortune slowly by providing a gambling house.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on August 24, 2021, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: ipanks on August 24, 2021, 09:11:13 AM

I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Gambling houses might have considered on building their venue into these places due to those reasons you had mentioned which they are particularly taking advantage on what a poor mind does have

and the desperation that they do have where they do need to make money even on the fastest and riskiest way and this turns out to be successful because no further establishments would be created
if they do look that it wasnt really effective.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

21% gambling venues - located in poorest part
2% gambling venues- located in wealthiest part

What about the remaining 77%? Are they located in those parts where middle income group people lives?

Then how come the data concludes that only poors are being targeted? I don't see that!

Care to explain?

Also wealthy people don't have time to gamble. These segment of people are usually self disciplined and they are extremely busy. So we can separate them from our discussion!

another thing to add is how big these venus are in terms of how many people they can offer services
maybe these 2% could bring more people than the venues located in the poorest part of the country?
also curious on how big is income of venues located on top x bottom income places

interesting

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Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

This seems like an inevitable, if sad, outcome of the society that we live in. Psychologically speaking gambling is a fools game, the only time that rich people will tend to gamble is purely for some light entertainment and the amounts involved will likely be insignificant to their overall wealth. Rich people who have earned money themselves will always have grasp of how hard it is to earn and more importantly, they do not gamble to chase the dream of becoming rich via shortcuts - they're already there. Poor people generally have a lower standard of education and may struggle to comprehend the astronomical odds against them ever making a meaningful return on their bets. The only way to break this cycle is to teach better financial education within schools and generally push back against the most predatory behavior of gambling instiutions.

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Quote from: ipanks on August 24, 2021, 09:11:13 AM

I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 23, 2021, 04:04:03 PM

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

I do not see any target here, if the casino is located near the poorest part of the country it is mainly because the taxes are low and the rentals are low as well and these casinos could actually boost the local economy as the locals will be getting jobs in these venues. If there is much evidence regarding this then we can tell but there is nothing here even to speculate.

When referring to the economic empowerment of the people there, what is the thirst for establishing a gambling casino where we often think that gambling only cares about money? Except it's about cheap taxation and people can take advantage of the percentage that is set aside by the casino owner. Some of these perspectives can be a reference. Besides spending the money of the rich, of course, those who are economically backward have incentives that can be obtained from the casino.

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