The rich are more accustomed to gambling than the poor the number of poor gamblers is low because they do not have enough capital to gamble. And the rich waste their money on gambling there used to be gambling in our country in the previous era whenever there was a fair there was gambling lottery betting all these were going on now is the modern age. So they have imported casino equipment he earned about lakhs of rupees by gambling who sees his money but the joy of the poor was shattered when his fate betrayed him again.
More accustomed doesn't mean that majority would come from them. I'd actually reckon that majority of the gamblers in casinos come from the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to financial capability. As much as I hate to say it, it is a way for people (or at least they think so) to get rich quickly. It's like they're at that point in time where even trying to work hard has no purpose, and even if they did, nothing would come out from it so they'd go, why not go all in and see what happens right? 
Topic: UK 20% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest part of the country - page 2. (Read 777 times)
August 26, 2021, 01:34:38 AM
August 26, 2021, 01:31:59 AM
Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?
I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
This argument may sound better to you, but it is a flawed argument. If the rich gambled more, it wouldn't matter if they paid more rent, because with the profits from putting the bookmakers in richer areas, there would be more than enough to pay for the rent and have more profit. No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:
" Being financially disadvantaged seems to cause people to risk what little money they have available to them in hopes of turning it into a larger sum, thinking that that in turn would improve their financial situation. Sadly, as so often happens, their hopes are not realized and they become worse off than before they gambled."
Source: Gambling Prevalent in Poor Neighborhoods
August 25, 2021, 11:20:54 PM
No need to generalize. I know a lot of poor people, who never gamble. On the other hand, I also know a lot of rich guys, who spend a lot of money on lottery tickets. Because being rich is in a relative term. Even those who are considered "rich" want to increase their wealth. Look at the richest person on this planet (Jeff Bezos). He still want to increase his wealth. This is something that is embedded in basic human nature, and everyone wants to be wealthy. And no amount of wealth is enough, even for the richest person in this planet.
I just knew some poor people who were so engaged in gambling not only because they wanted for a big return of their money but because they were enjoying gambling, I mean there's also poor people who were loved to gamble for fun. But of course many of the gambler who used to gamble were expecting for a double return of their money. But if we were going to look back at the reality why a 20% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest part of the country is because most probably of the low revenue that a gambling venues would pay compare to the wealthiest part.
August 25, 2021, 10:31:07 PM
The hope of being rich is the reason for the poor to gamble and of course the low education factor of course makes it difficult for them to get a job and coupled with the lack of job vacancies, make the poor people prefer gambling as an alternative to earn income, and of course the poor choose to gamble in football matches and playing the lottery every week, with the hope that he will win and earn a lot of money from the game, but gambling is still gambling and winning is a mystery in gambling.
No need to generalize. I know a lot of poor people, who never gamble. On the other hand, I also know a lot of rich guys, who spend a lot of money on lottery tickets. Because being rich is in a relative term. Even those who are considered "rich" want to increase their wealth. Look at the richest person on this planet (Jeff Bezos). He still want to increase his wealth. This is something that is embedded in basic human nature, and everyone wants to be wealthy. And no amount of wealth is enough, even for the richest person in this planet.
August 25, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
The most vulnerable remains the target because they are they are always carried away by get rich quick schemes as well as easy to get funds. Most wealthy folks don't go about gambling as a do or die affair. This gambling companies already know who their true customers are and also know where to get them and thats why they tend to flood rural areas more where people only struggle to survive.
Regarding that I have already said, that I am speaking based on the data of the articles shared, why am I referring to the article? firstly I'm not British who can't really tell what's really going on there, and secondly there's nothing I can refer to other than reading, so I certainly appreciate how speculation is about whether or not people agree or disagree with the establishment of the Casino.
If it can have a positive impact, I'd say it's good and it can lead to changes in the community's economy for the better, and if it's the other way around then who is the casino targeting here? Apart from that they make tough money and bet for 1, 2 or 3 times and then will be given a win by the casino.
August 25, 2021, 02:57:09 PM
As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".
August 25, 2021, 02:12:18 PM
Perhaps that's what he meant, if you are born poor, then you can past it to your kids, unless your children really works hard and uplift their life, it's because of the influence. He might be not be generalizating it, but maybe for some it's pretty obvious.
Yeah, I agree that it's a double edge sword, but remember that the odds are against us in gambling and only those who are lucky can get out of poverty because of gambling.
Only those who have decent lucked who can get out and change their lives with the help of gambling. It's a double-edge sword since the venue is near to those poor people who haven't had other options.
They are force of the situation thinking that gambling is the easiest way to earn money and with the belief that it can change their life once they hit the jackpot.
We can remove the fact that gambling owners are after with the money. They don't care if it's small amount as long as they are generating money, they will proceed and make it happen.
August 25, 2021, 01:43:53 PM
I think everyone should read the article the OP shared, and dig deeper into what's really going on. Based on the conclusion, I think some people don't agree with the establishment of casinos in the area, even there it is said that six to 10 are affected by addiction.
While the minimal economic conditions create some instability. The casino is being reviewed to gauge how effective this establishment is with the prosperity of the community around the casino. The Behavioral Insights team will soon conduct more in-depth research on the case. Of course, some argue that it will provide economic growth, the rest is still a question of whether this stance will continue and ignore the social problems of the people who feel disturbed.
As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".
While the minimal economic conditions create some instability. The casino is being reviewed to gauge how effective this establishment is with the prosperity of the community around the casino. The Behavioral Insights team will soon conduct more in-depth research on the case. Of course, some argue that it will provide economic growth, the rest is still a question of whether this stance will continue and ignore the social problems of the people who feel disturbed.
As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".
August 25, 2021, 01:13:33 PM
As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.
Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.
Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.
What do you mean by hereditary? social problem? I'm not too sure about that?
Poverty has never been passed down to the next generation, even education has different domains so that it cannot be generalized into one generation. For example, my parents earn from being a farmer, and I don't necessarily have a farm income myself, I have income from crypto, is it passed down from generation to generation? Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.
Perhaps that's what he meant, if you are born poor, then you can past it to your kids, unless your children really works hard and uplift their life, it's because of the influence. He might be not be generalizating it, but maybe for some it's pretty obvious.
Yeah, I agree that it's a double edge sword, but remember that the odds are against us in gambling and only those who are lucky can get out of poverty because of gambling.
August 25, 2021, 12:59:18 PM
According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.
I guess that we are talking about something very sad and we are definitely not going to see any change neither. The poorer a community is the bigger chance that they gave up on thinking they could work hard to make money.There are people all around the world that work hard, miners (non-crypto), garbage people, firefighters and many other physically hard working class as well basically all blue collars and they still end up not being profitable at all and end up poor, and that is the sad thing about the current world, papa Bezos gives Jeff a million dollars, then gets him to meet with other millionaire friends and he just sells books and becomes richest person on earth while the guy who cleans out trash from a whole neighborhood every single day lives in poverty.
August 25, 2021, 11:36:48 AM
Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?
I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
August 25, 2021, 11:24:39 AM
I think that according to social formulas, poor people are more prone to gambling addiction, and they part with their money more easily trying to win and get rich from gambling... Probably the poor areas do not have expensive casinos like in Las Vegas, but ordinary beggarly bars with slot machines... And of course you're right about the cheap rent... it's not profitable to keep a cheap casino in an expensive district...
I don't read much about the stats but I know that UK indeed has a high rank in terms of gambling industry. Many people on UK was doing gambling so maybe the area is just strategic for gamblers besides on the point you mention above. UK has a lot of gambler residents so you can have a lot of customer wherever you put the casino location or maybe Casino was already established on that area before poor people live around it.
Talking about gambling addiction, it's still an individual thing and goes back to their respective gambling arrangements, so as you said it's true because the UK is more free in terms of gambling and placement without the casino house being established. Without focusing too much on the impact I'm sure they've come to terms with how they can control casinos, and don't care if they're addicted or not.
August 25, 2021, 10:52:21 AM
I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life. What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year.
Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.
Does this mean that children are also not banned from watching gambling? I hope it won't be that free if a region establishes a gambling casino, then arbitrarily allows children to visit the casino freely. Kasiono is better kept away from those who are not right for them to consume in their brains. Maybe some casinos don't allow this to happen, there are still guards who know which visitors they should prevent from getting inside.
August 25, 2021, 10:10:48 AM
The hope of being rich is the reason for the poor to gamble and of course the low education factor of course makes it difficult for them to get a job and coupled with the lack of job vacancies, make the poor people prefer gambling as an alternative to earn income, and of course the poor choose to gamble in football matches and playing the lottery every week, with the hope that he will win and earn a lot of money from the game, but gambling is still gambling and winning is a mystery in gambling.
August 25, 2021, 09:09:23 AM
I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life. What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year.
Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.
there are many degrees of poverty
from the ones who can't even buy food or pay rent, to those who have debt but still find a way to spend some small spare income in gambling
so it's useful to describe better what we are talking about as well
gambling could be a source of fun and excitement, probably better than drugs, but still... quite dangerous to go this way
August 25, 2021, 07:31:05 AM
Poor people often have a rather low level of education both in the financial field and in such sciences as probability theory, game theory and mathematical expectation. This means that they may be more susceptible to gambling addiction than rich people. That's why I think the placement of gambling sites is concentrated in poorer areas.
August 25, 2021, 07:05:58 AM
Targeting the poor? maybe, but it could be why many gambling venues are located in poor areas because the number of poor people is more than the rich so it takes a lot of venues to accommodate those who love to gamble, or it could be the reason because of rental fees or the salaries of employees who also inexpensive.
I don't know about the UK, but is it possible because regulators in poor areas are corrupt officials and receive a lot of money from the gambling industry in their area? so there are many gambling venues there.
I don't know about the UK, but is it possible because regulators in poor areas are corrupt officials and receive a lot of money from the gambling industry in their area? so there are many gambling venues there.
I agree and I would add this to what I said above. Indeed, there are much more poor than rich. Besides, rich folks don't usually hang around in their neighborhood. They are just jumping in the car and go to some fancy place to splash out more than we can imagine because they don't care, they don't need additional money, they don't know what to do with what they have. That's why they go to luxury casinos: to drink whiskey on the rocks and enjoy the atmosphere, which cheap gambling venues lack.
August 25, 2021, 05:29:30 AM
Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.
Why being poor should be targeted by the casino that builds their place in the poor areas. Maybe they want to give an opportunity to people who lived in that place to work in the casino and if that is the case, that will really mean for those people because they can have a better life. But if that casino just wants to run from the government because it legally matters, that will not be good for the casino as the government will chase them everywhere they open their business. 
August 25, 2021, 05:02:16 AM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.
Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.
August 25, 2021, 04:31:59 AM
So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report
Casinos are open to anyone poor and rich who wants to enjoy playing, it's likely that they are located in the poorest part because it's convenient to their employees they are employing people and so are the industries that are attached to gambling so by making them accessible to poor area their employees can easily get in and they don't have to pay exorbitant rental fees.
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“BGC members support 119,000 jobs,
“Betting shops alone employ around 46,000 people across the country, pay £1bn in tax to the Treasury as well as £60m in business rates for local councils, while casinos employ 11,000 staff and pay £500m a year in tax.
“Betting shops alone employ around 46,000 people across the country, pay £1bn in tax to the Treasury as well as £60m in business rates for local councils, while casinos employ 11,000 staff and pay £500m a year in tax.
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