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Topic: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ - page 8. (Read 1048158 times)

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The list is somewhat complete but I will still be adding rules as I encounter them. I'm open to suggestions on formatting, sources, mistakes, rules, removal from the list, etc.

I read the full guidelines. I know a lot about the forum after reading this. This is a very informative guide for beginners. But in the "Section: Other" there is no " "Guidelines for threads" for Meta and its child board "New forum software" and "Bitcoin wiki".

What is the reason behind this?

Guidelines for threads>Section: Other.
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Nullius forgot to quote this in his (pretty long) post

PMs are like emails. It's rude to publish a PM without permission, but you won't get banned for it.
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
OP, please add the explicit forum rule about Personal Messages:

Subject: Re: Publicly posting PMs
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For the sake of user safety, I also recommend noting that unencrypted Personal Messages are not private, no matter what forum policy says about disclosure by the parties thereto:

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I have been intending to request this addition for awhile.  Despite the explicit warning adjacent to the “Send message” button, too many users are labouring under the misapprehension that “PM” stands for “Private Message”.

For the record, this is my personal policy on the handling of my own PMs:

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IMO.  I think that comports with the basic decency and common sense which should be expected of anybody who is worthwhile to correspond with.

P.S.—thanks, mprep, for maintaining this list of rules.
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Potentially relevant to how Personal Messages may be mentioned in the rules list:

Based on the theymos statements that I quoted, I think of the administration’s policy as roughly analogous to a “one-party consent” rule for disclosure of PMs.

I find it admirable that the forum’s administration has a reasonable policy to prevent overt fishing expeditions that may seek to coerce disclosure of PMs with consent of none of the involved parties...

https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php
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...although that is a quite limited protection, when every PM passes in cleartext through Cloudflare each and every time it is previewed, sent, or viewed.  What it really means in practice is that police (obviously police, because nobody would ever try to steal an “official” identity) can’t grab your PMs simply by e-mailing or faxing an official-looking request.  If the forum’s administration requires a warrant, I also infer that that means they will at least seek to quash civil subpoenas for PMs.

Although that is always important for protecting metadata (which is in many ways even more revealing than “content”), it is less of a concern for people who use crypto—I mean, who really use crypto:

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PMs not being private isn't one of those cases where I feel that a lack of a rule requires documentation (especially considering the aforementioned warning). If a user couldn't infer the fact from the warning itself, I really doubt documenting it in this thread would help.

As for legal side of information disclosure, I'd rather stay away from documenting how Bitcointalk might deal / deals with legal queries, demands and requests due to their opaque (from my perspective), speculation-based (as in "confirmed" through hearsay, loose interpretations of various laws or random throwaway-ish snippets from theymos) and usually hypothetical nature. While I can check whether certain moderation practices or rules exist, I can't say the same about anything related to the legal side of Bitcointalk.
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
Great! I hope Theymos will publish the PMs of Satoshi now...  Tongue

That will not happen next year (2021) as originally considered,* but maybe after a few more decades.

(I have further thoughts on that; but the discussion is off-topic for this high-traffic, highly watched thread about forum rules.)


* I merited that post two years ago—for reason of the information that Satoshi “always used Tor”, not due to the prospective release of Satoshi’s PMs.  I have frequently quoted it in argument against people who have have a negative impression of Tor users.


Potentially relevant to how Personal Messages may be mentioned in the rules list:

Based on the theymos statements that I quoted, I think of the administration’s policy as roughly analogous to a “one-party consent” rule for disclosure of PMs.

I find it admirable that the forum’s administration has a reasonable policy to prevent overt fishing expeditions that may seek to coerce disclosure of PMs with consent of none of the involved parties...

https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php
PM = Personal Message, not Private Message.

Compare "private interview" to "personal interview" or "private locker" to "personal locker". Something private isn't expected to be made public, but something personal is only owned by or associated with a single person, not necessarily with a strong guarantee of privacy.

I really don't believe in willingly putting a man-in-the-middle in your HTTPS like this, […]

I especially dislike Cloudflare, which I'm almost certain is basically owned by US intelligence agencies. [...]

The security implications are that Cloudflare can read everything you send to or receive from the server, including your cleartext password and any PMs you send or look at.

Thank you, theymos, for honestly disclosing and discussing the facts about Cloudflare.

Oh, no!  Cloudflare now knows Grandma’s secret cookie recipe!

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Great! I hope Theymos will publish the PMs of Satoshi now...  Tongue
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
OP, please add the explicit forum rule about Personal Messages:

Subject: Re: Publicly posting PMs
There is no restriction against it. PM = Personal Message, not Private Message.

Compare "private interview" to "personal interview" or "private locker" to "personal locker". Something private isn't expected to be made public, but something personal is only owned by or associated with a single person, not necessarily with a strong guarantee of privacy.

For the sake of user safety, I also recommend noting that unencrypted Personal Messages are not private, no matter what forum policy says about disclosure by the parties thereto:

Vide the very first post in my post history!

I really don't believe in willingly putting a man-in-the-middle in your HTTPS like this, […]

The security implications are that Cloudflare can read everything you send to or receive from the server, including your cleartext password and any PMs you send or look at.

Thank you, theymos, for honestly disclosing and discussing the facts about Cloudflare.

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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.

I have been intending to request this addition for awhile.  Despite the explicit warning adjacent to the “Send message” button, too many users are labouring under the misapprehension that “PM” stands for “Private Message”.

For the record, this is my personal policy on the handling of my own PMs:

For my part, I treat unencrypted PMs with the discretion of common courtesy.  Likewise, if someone were to publish my unencrypted PMs gratuitously, for petty spite, and/or otherwise without any good cause or even a colourable reason, then I would consider that to show indiscretion—i.e., evidence of an untrustworthy character; and depending on the particulars of the circumstance, on a case-by-case basis, I may issue negative feedback accordingly.  Otherwise, I have no illusions about the privacy of unencrypted Personal Messages:  I treat them as a sort of one-on-one forum, or an open-door room aside from the main room at a party.

Encrypted communications with explicit bilateral promises of confidentiality are a quite different matter, of course.

IMO.  I think that comports with the basic decency and common sense which should be expected of anybody who is worthwhile to correspond with.

P.S.—thanks, mprep, for maintaining this list of rules.
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AFAIK this only applies to sales threads (threads where a user is asking for or offering services and / or goods)

What about comments related to threads in bounty/airdrop board? Such threads often stay somewhere between sales threads and pure promotion.
(I already did report one case, but still not sure.)
Not sure. IMO it doesn't though you're going to have to ask theymos about it.
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AFAIK this only applies to sales threads (threads where a user is asking for or offering services and / or goods)

What about comments related to threads in bounty/airdrop board? Such threads often stay somewhere between sales threads and pure promotion.
(I already did report one case, but still not sure.)
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
Expanded one of the FAQ questions:

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When it comes to accusations of commercial misconduct, if a user is accusing you / someone else of scamming or defrauding them in your / someone else's sales thread without providing evidence (either in the post itself or by linking to evidence elsewhere), that's considered low value and thus should be reported as such.
I was just about to update local thread with this, but I don't understand something:

Does this new rule apply to users who wrongly accuse other users of being a gang, mafia, criminals without any single proof or it is just for someone who accuse "seller" without proof?
AFAIK this only applies to sales threads (threads where a user is asking for or offering services and / or goods). Obviously, pure "scam" or "you are a criminal" posts were already considered low value since beyond a vague accusation they neither contain evidence nor any explanation / elaboration on that statement. Whether the "evidence or GTFO" interpretation of the low value post rule is site wide, is something you're going to have to ask theymos.
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Expanded one of the FAQ questions:

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When it comes to accusations of commercial misconduct, if a user is accusing you / someone else of scamming or defrauding them in your / someone else's sales thread without providing evidence (either in the post itself or by linking to evidence elsewhere), that's considered low value and thus should be reported as such.
I was just about to update local thread with this, but I don't understand something:

Does this new rule apply to users who wrongly accuse other users of being a gang, mafia, criminals without any single proof or it is just for someone who accuse "seller" without proof?
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
Expanded one of the FAQ questions:

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Q: Do you moderate/delete (possible) FUD, accusations and untrue information?
A: No. We don't have enough time to check every single piece of information and verify the validity of the sources. Also, just like scams - too much room for bias and abuse.

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

When it comes to accusations of commercial misconduct, if a user is accusing you / someone else of scamming or defrauding them in your / someone else's sales thread without providing evidence (either in the post itself or by linking to evidence elsewhere), that's considered low value and thus should be reported as such.
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
when clicking in "show new replies to your posts" I get some old threads that I do not want to follow/read anymore.
How do I remove them from showing up ?

You can't.
Use the "watchlist" function instead for stuff you're interested in from day to day, and the "show new..." like an archive.
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when clicking in "show new replies to your posts" I get some old threads that I do not want to follow/read anymore.

How do I remove them from showing up ?
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Added the Turkish translation to the list of translations (thank you to vycl87 for his effort).

'bout flipping time. maybe we get some peace round here
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
Added the Turkish translation to the list of translations (thank you to vycl87 for his effort).
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Hey all! I have a theoretical question about trust feedback. Let's say guy1 discovers that guy2 is a rule braker and throll, so he leaves negeative feedback. But the guy2 reacts in a way "how great the guy1 is", so they became best friends, starting support each other. At that point the guy1 removes his negative feedback. After few months they are no best friends anymore Grin So, my question is, is it ok that guy1 returns his negative feedback to the guy2 or that can be seen as abuse/revenge/blackmail or something? What do you think?

First of all, trust feedback is not subject to forum rules.

Second, adding (or removing) trust feedback because of being friends or enemies is not a good use of the trust system. Again, not against rules because rules don't apply, but you'd risk getting excluded form other people's trust lists if you do something like that.
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Hey all! I have a theoretical question about trust feedback. Let's say guy1 discovers that guy2 is a rule braker and throll, so he leaves negeative feedback. But the guy2 reacts in a way "how great the guy1 is", so they became best friends, starting support each other. At that point the guy1 removes his negative feedback. After few months they are no best friends anymore Grin So, my question is, is it ok that guy1 returns his negative feedback to the guy2 or that can be seen as abuse/revenge/blackmail or something? What do you think?
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after reading this topic  finally know rules about Bitcointalk.org.  
I want to know if i want promote my EXCHANGE on Bitcointalk.org  .
What is the most efficiently way?
This: Advertise on this forum - Round 293
- Check its "impression counts [it takes a bit longer to load]"

Take note:
Ads are allowed to contain any non-annoying HTML/CSS style. No images, JavaScript, custom fonts, or animation. Ads must appear 3 or fewer lines tall in my browser (Firefox, 900px wide). Ad text may not contain lies, misrepresentation, or inappropriate language. Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. No ICOs[1], loggable mixers[2], banks, funds, or anything that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.
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after reading this topic  finally know rules about Bitcointalk.org. 
I want to know if i want promote my EXCHANGE on Bitcointalk.org  .
What is the most efficiently way?
legendary
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Hi,

My thread no longer gets hits from web search traffic (it was getting like 100 hits per day), can someone explain what is going on?  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poppopular-coin-5-roi-crypto-social-media-that-pays-popnomicscom-444745

I think it is caused by the new thread boosting implementation? I think search engines arent indexing the pages because they are not ever showing in the most recent "newly updated" threads they goto the back and become irrelevant?

Thanks for your help,.
The page still gets indexed its just not getting as much exposure because its not getting boosted up because of the new bump changes. Only threads which have dedicated supporters who are highly established in the community which have earned a lot of merit will be useful to bumping up your threads. The bumping changes means that projects which are exciting and have dedicated supporters who are pressing that bump button frequently are the ones getting the most exposure and those that are spam coins with just newbies and low merited members bumping their topic get forgotten and don't generate much traffic. Most of your traffic will be coming directly from Bitcointalk and not from google searches.
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