Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro

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Quote from: erep on June 15, 2024, 02:41:56 AM

Quote from: mak013 on June 15, 2024, 12:28:42 AM

The problem is that in any casino there are some paragraphs which allows casino to do anything they want: You won big odd? We decide that it is fixed match. You win too much? We decided decrease you bet limit. Etc. And they don`t need to proof anything - they just say - it is in the ToS.

The paragraph points that explain the authority of the casino which can change any rules but setting withdrawal limits can make users uncomfortable, they will speculate negatively on the rules because the casino never explains the details in the ToS. I think casinos should publish the rules clearly so they know what the limits are for withdrawals and they can update the system to be able to increase account levels for high withdrawal limits.

of course they can change the rules anytime because its their Terms and their rights but changing
this when someone win big? reducing the capability to withdraw the funds makes them cheater or at least
something that Bitcointalk users should avoid dealing.

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Quote from: altozavr on October 15, 2024, 11:07:37 PM

I already 3 days can not withdraw even 100 euros in crypto, I try to bank card, so far also do not withdraw.... very strange company

This is serious, I think people should now take the main OP more seriously and avoid this casino. Still, I would like you to be sure that it is Betiro you are talking about. Your newbie status is another issue, many might not take you seriously on this. But your allegation is always welcome, it will help others to beware of this casino, but that's only if you can attach some proof to ascertain your claim. Anyone can just write anything about a casino though I believe you a little as this casino is not so popular on Bitcointalk, I wonder why someone would locate a thread like this without a good reason.

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I already 3 days can not withdraw even 100 euros in crypto, I try to bank card, so far also do not withdraw.... very strange company

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Quote from: Slow death on August 15, 2024, 05:05:43 AM

I don't know what happened to OP, he has been inactive since June 28, 2024 and did not say if anything had changed regarding the 500 euros per day withdrawal he was making. OP also had an open dispute case at casino.guro which strangely casino.guro contacted OP and he did not respond, he simply disappeared and abandoned the dispute at casino.guro and as a consequence casino.guro decided to reject OP's complaint

Quote from: https://casinoguru-en.com/betiro-casino-player-claims-that-payment-has-been

Unfortunately, the player has not responded to our messages and questions. Consequently, we are unable to investigate further and have no choice but to reject this complaint.

The player can reopen this complaint at any time.

source: https://casinoguru-en.com/betiro-casino-player-claims-that-payment-has-been

Casino.guro decided to reject the OP's complaint last month. I don't understand why the OP disappeared without saying anything on this forum or on Casino.guro where he opened the dispute. There have been cases of people who complain about casinos but then disappear, it seems like they are making false accusations against the casinos.

I don`t no why the OP doesn`t answer, but i don`t think that problem is the OP. If i remember this thread right, during the discussion casino change withdrawal limits in the ToS several times. One of such changes was:

Quote from: khaled0111 on June 21, 2024, 05:21:48 PM

They have finally updated their ToS but it seems they were in a hurry to do so

:

Quote from: https://www.betiro.com/en/terms

9.6. The maximum withdrawal amount:
Weekly - € 500
Daily - € 3000
Monthly is € 10,000.

After such changes i don`t believe Betiro. Even id the OP told us just part of the truth - such behavior of the casino means that you can don`t read the ToS - even if you will be right, they can just change it.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 15, 2024, 01:10:26 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on August 14, 2024, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: dansus021 on August 13, 2024, 10:23:36 PM

You might say Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro but the first time you deposit you agree with their TOS or terms of service that might you didn't read I mean most of the people including me didn't read the ToS Grin

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I kindly invite you to re-read the OP and few of the first replies to have a better understanding of the situation.
The problem here is not that the OP didn't read the ToS, as you suggested. The problem is that the casino decided to reduce the withdrawal limit without informing its users or even updating their ToS.
Besides, there is no mention of daily withdrawal limits in their ToS, while their live support informed the OP that they have one ($500/day).
I hope OP will come back and inform us on how much he's withdrawn so far.

It's obvious he didn't spend time covering the Op going by the lengthy writings but sometimes it's important we spend that time completely to grap a comprehensive details from the op to help us avoid laying down certain criticisms.

It is a behavior among some casinos and even sport betting sites updating or adding new clause to their already existing ToS without pre-informing their users. We can't say they don't have right to make changes in their ToS but in doing so transparency should be involved by doing the right thing in the right and acceptable manner. Taking users unaware is a near act of fraudulent behavior.

Well, I agree with all that you have said in the second paragraph, but on the other hand, many of the casinos do include a line or two on their terms of service which usually states that they are at liberty of updating the terms of service at any time without any prior information to their users, Same as we usually see some, or majorly all campaign managers mention in the last line or point in the rules of a campaign.

I am particularly not against the above, but where I do blame casinos is when they do update their terms and conditions and don't inform their users at, users are playing based on previous information they read on the terms and conditions while not knowing it's been updated, and when the user goes against any of the new rules which the user is unaware of, the casino takes it as a crime whereas they never informed users of the updated rules, this actually is dubious, or outright scam..

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Quote from: panjul07 on August 15, 2024, 07:20:29 AM

Quote from: Slow death on August 15, 2024, 05:05:43 AM

I don't understand why the OP disappeared without saying anything on this forum or on Casino.guro where he opened the dispute. There have been cases of people who complain about casinos but then disappear, it seems like they are making false accusations against the casinos.

We can make speculations or guesses only about his situation, my speculations as follow:

OP decided to accept the change and being patient to withdraw his money per day without reaching the limit
OP decided to use the balance and lost it because he was not patient enough to request daily withdrawal which has low limit
There was an agreement between OP and casino to withdraw the balance in a better way

I dont think this one is false accusations because he provide the proof that the casino did an unfair thing although he did not provide a proof of his balance.
The main point for me is about the sudden change of the terms upon withdrawal request that I can consider as unfair practice from the casino.

I agree with you that OP may have accepted any of those 3 points you mentioned. But I criticize OP for the fact that he did not come to post his decision in this thread and also because he filed a complaint with the casino.guro and then simply disappeared. After you posted those 3 points, I am more inclined to think that OP continued playing at the casino and lost all the money and since he no longer has anything to withdraw that is why he did not come to post here on the forum. Maybe OP is a case of a person who has a problem with gambling because he said that he first deposited $5000 and lost everything and then deposited $10,000 again and won $21,000 but only wanted to withdraw $1000. This shows that he intended to continue playing and did not want to withdraw all the money. I believe that he lost all the money and did not use the casino again.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 15, 2024, 05:05:43 AM

I don't understand why the OP disappeared without saying anything on this forum or on Casino.guro where he opened the dispute. There have been cases of people who complain about casinos but then disappear, it seems like they are making false accusations against the casinos.

We can make speculations or guesses only about his situation, my speculations as follow:

OP decided to accept the change and being patient to withdraw his money per day without reaching the limit
OP decided to use the balance and lost it because he was not patient enough to request daily withdrawal which has low limit
There was an agreement between OP and casino to withdraw the balance in a better way

I dont think this one is false accusations because he provide the proof that the casino did an unfair thing although he did not provide a proof of his balance.
The main point for me is about the sudden change of the terms upon withdrawal request that I can consider as unfair practice from the casino.

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I don't know what happened to OP, he has been inactive since June 28, 2024 and did not say if anything had changed regarding the 500 euros per day withdrawal he was making. OP also had an open dispute case at casino.guro which strangely casino.guro contacted OP and he did not respond, he simply disappeared and abandoned the dispute at casino.guro and as a consequence casino.guro decided to reject OP's complaint

Quote from: https://casinoguru-en.com/betiro-casino-player-claims-that-payment-has-been

Unfortunately, the player has not responded to our messages and questions. Consequently, we are unable to investigate further and have no choice but to reject this complaint.

The player can reopen this complaint at any time.

source: https://casinoguru-en.com/betiro-casino-player-claims-that-payment-has-been

Casino.guro decided to reject the OP's complaint last month. I don't understand why the OP disappeared without saying anything on this forum or on Casino.guro where he opened the dispute. There have been cases of people who complain about casinos but then disappear, it seems like they are making false accusations against the casinos.

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Quote from: dansus021 on August 13, 2024, 10:23:36 PM

You might say Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro but the first time you deposit you agree with their TOS or terms of service that might you didn't read I mean most of the people including me didn't read the ToS Grin

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Did you read the guy's post at all? If you did, you would never say he did not read the terms and conditions of the casino. The casino is blatantly displaying an irresponsible act and it's so unfortunate that another person becomes one of their victims. This is not funny!

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For now the only you can do is withdraw everyday with their limit around 500 USD

How convenient is that? They can allow you to deposit any amount but you will find it difficult to withdraw more than $500 daily. That's if they do not lock the account for regular withdrawals. If a casino could limit a withdrawal that low, they may do everything possible to prevent much withdrawals.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on August 14, 2024, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: dansus021 on August 13, 2024, 10:23:36 PM

You might say Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro but the first time you deposit you agree with their TOS or terms of service that might you didn't read I mean most of the people including me didn't read the ToS Grin

.

I kindly invite you to re-read the OP and few of the first replies to have a better understanding of the situation.
The problem here is not that the OP didn't read the ToS, as you suggested. The problem is that the casino decided to reduce the withdrawal limit without informing its users or even updating their ToS.
Besides, there is no mention of daily withdrawal limits in their ToS, while their live support informed the OP that they have one ($500/day).
I hope OP will come back and inform us on how much he's withdrawn so far.

It's obvious he didn't spend time covering the Op going by the lengthy writings but sometimes it's important we spend that time completely to grap a comprehensive details from the op to help us avoid laying down certain criticisms.

It is a behavior among some casinos and even sport betting sites updating or adding new clause to their already existing ToS without pre-informing their users. We can't say they don't have right to make changes in their ToS but in doing so transparency should be involved by doing the right thing in the right and acceptable manner. Taking users unaware is a near act of fraudulent behavior.

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Quote from: dansus021 on August 13, 2024, 10:23:36 PM

You might say Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro but the first time you deposit you agree with their TOS or terms of service that might you didn't read I mean most of the people including me didn't read the ToS Grin

.

I kindly invite you to re-read the OP and few of the first replies to have a better understanding of the situation.
The problem here is not that the OP didn't read the ToS, as you suggested. The problem is that the casino decided to reduce the withdrawal limit without informing its users or even updating their ToS.
Besides, there is no mention of daily withdrawal limits in their ToS, while their live support informed the OP that they have one ($500/day).
I hope OP will come back and inform us on how much he's withdrawn so far.

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Quote from: dansus021 on August 13, 2024, 10:23:36 PM

You might say Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro but the first time you deposit you agree with their TOS or terms of service that might you didn't read I mean most of the people including me didn't read the ToS Grin

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For now the only you can do is withdraw everyday with their limit around 500 USD or you can goto to their customer service and tell them to lift the cap for your account so you can make bigger withdraw

Yeah, the bane of all of us - the fine print under the main text Grin

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You might say Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro but the first time you deposit you agree with their TOS or terms of service that might you didn't read I mean most of the people including me didn't read the ToS Grin

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For now the only you can do is withdraw everyday with their limit around 500 USD or you can goto to their customer service and tell them to lift the cap for your account so you can make bigger withdraw

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Quote from: mak013 on July 08, 2024, 06:36:22 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 08, 2024, 03:46:36 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 04, 2024, 01:28:21 AM

Just forget it. There are lots of other casinos, where there are normal withdrawal limits. When casino change their ToS every week, you risk your money everyday - no one knows what they change next time. They have no representative, no ANN thread, gamblers have problems with it.

That's right, but he can't just forget when a lot of his money stuck in the casino. He should withdraw all his funds from there first. An update from the OP would be welcome, because many of us here sympathise with his situation. Even those condemning him for depositing such a big amount on an unknown site still want him well.

Yep, it would be nice to hear the OP. I can only recommend to use another casino for gambling. And withdraw money as fast as possible.

OP was last active on June 28, 2024. Indeed it would be nice to hear from him, whether he withdrew his money and whether he stopped playing on that site. I know from my own experience that if I initially have some problems with withdrawing my funds for a gambling site, but they allow me to withdraw everything I want eventually, I don't leave the site. But, of course, that's if the site has indisputable reputation. Just allowing me to withdraw my money wouldn't be enough.

It seems like a month ago when he was last active here in the op on the topic he made. The only thing he complains about is that his money can't be taken out all at once compared to when he enters the fund; even if it's only one day, he can get it in quickly when he deposits what he's going to do.

Well, at this point, it looks like he didn't immediately read in Tos that the casino has such terms or rules when it comes to withdrawal limits. And it seems that I don't see anything wrong with that because it is also within the jurisdiction of the casino management to make such rules. So I think there is nothing he can do but follow the daily withdrawal limits on the platform instead of withdrawing money every day.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on August 13, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

Quote from: papokala on June 01, 2024, 09:41:32 AM

Hello everyone,

I wanted to share my concerns regarding the withdrawal limits and payment processes on the Betiro platform. Here’s my experience:

Initially, I deposited 5000 USDT into my Betiro account. After losing this balance, I added another 10,000 USDT to my account. When my account balance eventually reached 21,000 USDT, I decided to withdraw 1000 USDT. However, I was quite surprised and disappointed to discover that there is a daily withdrawal limit of only $500, which I find to be highly unreasonable given the circumstances.

I have had such an experience with daily limit of withdrawal on my bet account but on the site I used there's no limits on the amount a gambler would withdraw but it's the number of time you withdraw. Actually I can't recall how many times one have to withdraw before it elapse (maybe 3 to 5 times P/day). The reason they are doing this is probably because of money laundry and other illegal activity.

Well, in the case of Betiro (or what ever the name of the casino in question is called), their limitation to withdrawal is not really as a way to prevent money laundering, but more like they are a new casino and can't afford to process a withdrawal amount that is higher than that which they have set as limit.

I do not know how long the casino has been running though, but clearly from the look of things, what I said above may perhaps, be the scenario.

But there are also other scenarios to note as well, which another might be that they may likely be planning a rug, that is, they allow unsuspecting users deposit as much money as they want to deposit, but won't be able to withdraw more than $500, and as soon as soon they have gathered enough, they vanish. This is also possible as well, so, best to avoid this casino.

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Quote from: papokala on June 01, 2024, 09:41:32 AM

Hello everyone,

I wanted to share my concerns regarding the withdrawal limits and payment processes on the Betiro platform. Here’s my experience:

Initially, I deposited 5000 USDT into my Betiro account. After losing this balance, I added another 10,000 USDT to my account. When my account balance eventually reached 21,000 USDT, I decided to withdraw 1000 USDT. However, I was quite surprised and disappointed to discover that there is a daily withdrawal limit of only $500, which I find to be highly unreasonable given the circumstances.

I have had such an experience with daily limit of withdrawal on my bet account but on the site I used there's no limits on the amount a gambler would withdraw but it's the number of time you withdraw. Actually I can't recall how many times one have to withdraw before it elapse (maybe 3 to 5 times P/day). The reason they are doing this is probably because of money laundry and other illegal activity.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 06, 2024, 04:11:53 AM

Quote from: Mahanton on July 15, 2024, 06:44:32 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 15, 2024, 06:09:41 AM

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If you dont like to experience headaches and problems or issues with things then it would really be better that you should really be sticking into those popular or simply known into this forum
on which you could really be able to read up feedbacks and real experiences from people here on this forum. There's soo much difference when it comes tot his aspect because this is where
you would really be getting your basis whether you should be playing or not. Why would go into those new or unheard of?

Exactly. That's the simplest answer to the question "how to avoid situations that happened to OP?". However attractive their adds might be, if they are not presented on this forum - do not register there, or you might regret it later.

Even if they are here - first of all - DYOR. Feedback, last news, changes - all of it must be analyzed before deposit in new casino. There is one bad moment, it calls "bonus for the first deposit". It makes you make a big deposit but as result you can give money to someone like Betiro. Think about it. Sometimes it would be better to risk $10 than to lose $1000.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 15, 2024, 06:44:32 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 15, 2024, 06:09:41 AM

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If you dont like to experience headaches and problems or issues with things then it would really be better that you should really be sticking into those popular or simply known into this forum
on which you could really be able to read up feedbacks and real experiences from people here on this forum. There's soo much difference when it comes tot his aspect because this is where
you would really be getting your basis whether you should be playing or not. Why would go into those new or unheard of?

Exactly. That's the simplest answer to the question "how to avoid situations that happened to OP?". However attractive their adds might be, if they are not presented on this forum - do not register there, or you might regret it later.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 15, 2024, 06:09:41 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 08, 2024, 06:36:22 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 08, 2024, 03:46:36 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 04, 2024, 01:28:21 AM

Just forget it. There are lots of other casinos, where there are normal withdrawal limits. When casino change their ToS every week, you risk your money everyday - no one knows what they change next time. They have no representative, no ANN thread, gamblers have problems with it.

That's right, but he can't just forget when a lot of his money stuck in the casino. He should withdraw all his funds from there first. An update from the OP would be welcome, because many of us here sympathise with his situation. Even those condemning him for depositing such a big amount on an unknown site still want him well.

Yep, it would be nice to hear the OP. I can only recommend to use another casino for gambling. And withdraw money as fast as possible.

OP was last active on June 28, 2024. Indeed it would be nice to hear from him, whether he withdrew his money and whether he stopped playing on that site. I know from my own experience that if I initially have some problems with withdrawing my funds for a gambling site, but they allow me to withdraw everything I want eventually, I don't leave the site. But, of course, that's if the site has indisputable reputation. Just allowing me to withdraw my money wouldn't be enough.

I don`t think we`ll hear the OP once more. But it doesn`t mean that we mustn`t try.
If i have some problems with withdraw i try to change the casino mostly. There were just few situations, when it was my mistake and as the result i had no more problems with casino - in these situation i continued gambling. But most times it looks like red flag for the casino and i try to withdraw all my money and change it.

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You are just another victim of those who doesn’t do some research about casinos before making a deposit, if you only took 5 minutes of your time before choosing this casino, you would save a lot of money. Only on bitcointalk we have several casinos with better offers and guess what! They are so legit, you will never find an issue withdrawing your money as long as you are following their rules.

If you are receiving the daily limit withdraw to your account, then go ahead and do that every day until you finish all your balance. Make sure that you have learned a valuable lesson, many casinos here will give you special offers being a good gambler and with this amount you will receive many features and offers. For that casino, honestly, it is not logical to set such limitation, seems so sus.

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