Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro - page 5.

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Quote from: MarvinHagler on June 19, 2024, 01:35:13 PM

OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

We cannot consider this a scam because he is still allowed to withdraw though a very little amount than how much
he wanted to take out , this is not scamming but Cheating , the site is making their way for a chance of OP risking every
single amount while waiting for His fund to be withdrawn , we have seen this several times here and yeah the concern
party have no control of her funds and losses everything because of the pending withdraws.

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Quote from: Adbitco on June 19, 2024, 11:52:40 AM

Quote from: Sunderland on June 19, 2024, 11:37:57 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on June 18, 2024, 07:56:43 PM

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

The OP only made deposits twice and never withdraw from that platform before, also based on their T&C the withdrawal limit per month was $50k but after requesting a withdrawal it turned out there was a new rule that the max daily withdrawal was only $500 and it wasnt written in their T&C.
So clearly this is a sneaky and unfair method with the intention that players with a decent balance or anyone who win big will continue to play there until their balance runs out.

This can only happened if the gambler doesn't have control over his funds or is applying too much greed while gambling because to me if i had big win and such restriction is being noticed what i will do is to leave the casino or limit myself except from only withdrawing days before i could go login there to make withdrawal again to avoid being tempted to gamble more. Sincerely there is a silly play over there because as a casino that is open to their users shouldn't had behave that methods when they noticed there is a winning.

It's unfortunate really, but casinos, most especially the new and unpopular ones will always find ways by which they will try to steal from their users, it's unfortunate that op didn't make a proper research before choosing this casino to play on, but I think what Sunderland said can indeed happen to any gambler, regards of whether the gambler is greedy or not doesn't really matter.

But on the other hand as well, what you said makes sense, but this can only work if the casino were to be sincere and willing to pay all the money, because it's also possible that when ever the casino owner(s) notice that you are no longer playing games, but only comes to the casino to request withdrawal of your Funds, they may decide to stop processing the withdrawals requests.
So, my personal opinion is, to keep them interested in processing your withdrawals, you have to play there from time to time, atleast, until you are able to get all your money out.

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OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

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Quote from: Sunderland on June 19, 2024, 11:37:57 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on June 18, 2024, 07:56:43 PM

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

The OP only made deposits twice and never withdraw from that platform before, also based on their T&C the withdrawal limit per month was $50k but after requesting a withdrawal it turned out there was a new rule that the max daily withdrawal was only $500 and it wasnt written in their T&C.
So clearly this is a sneaky and unfair method with the intention that players with a decent balance or anyone who win big will continue to play there until their balance runs out.

This can only happened if the gambler doesn't have control over his funds or is applying too much greed while gambling because to me if i had big win and such restriction is being noticed what i will do is to leave the casino or limit myself except from only withdrawing days before i could go login there to make withdrawal again to avoid being tempted to gamble more. Sincerely there is a silly play over there because as a casino that is open to their users shouldn't had behave that methods when they noticed there is a winning.

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Quote from: Adbitco on June 18, 2024, 07:56:43 PM

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

The OP only made deposits twice and never withdraw from that platform before, also based on their T&C the withdrawal limit per month was $50k but after requesting a withdrawal it turned out there was a new rule that the max daily withdrawal was only $500 and it wasnt written in their T&C.
So clearly this is a sneaky and unfair method with the intention that players with a decent balance or anyone who win big will continue to play there until their balance runs out.

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Quote from: Hamphser on June 18, 2024, 12:57:19 PM

Quote from: mak013 on June 18, 2024, 06:20:53 AM

Do you always read all the ToS? Honestly please.
I read 2 times all the paragraphs but didn`t find paragraph about decreasing bet limit but when i asked the support about it - they showed it to me(just example). In some ToS we can find paragraph that casino can change ToS and gambler agree with it.
If the casino changed ToS and it wasn`t in ToS from the beginning and gambler didn`t agree with it - casino is wrong. But i think that the problem not here. The problem mostly that all it is in ToS from the beginning but we don`t see/read/find it, until is too late.

Lets just accept the fact that not all would really be that mindful or having the time on reading up sites terms and conditions on which if ever they would really be tending to read it up but still they cant be able to remember whether its been changed up on particular rules or something that has been altered and something that had been changed. This is why no matter what angle that you would really be tending to go or proceed on then there's no way that you could be able to fight up on what casinos that are really that trying out to pull on. Yes, there's nothing we can do if they would really be giving those issues
about on a certain user about being not be able to read up those TOS and have violated it and this is why it do really ends up on holding up with those withdrawals or would be decreasing limit or whatsoever.

This is the main thing that should really be putted up in mind that it would really be always be best that dealing up with known and not into those new platforms that you are heading off with.
It might be not an assurance about not to face up some issues but at least you are that seeing that its a communities choices and recognition.

You nicely said what i tried

Yes, even if a read all the ToS, i don`t remember all its paragraphs after half an hour. Also, most time there are some paragraphs like "we can cancel all bets, if we decide that it was fixed match" and they must not prove their decision in any way - they just decided so.
One more plus of the well-known casinos is that they have their thread and representative here and the gambler can speak not only with the support but with the administration and other gamblers too.

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I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on June 18, 2024, 05:11:03 PM

Quote from: khaled0111 on June 13, 2024, 05:10:56 PM

Quote from: Onyeeze on June 13, 2024, 04:11:38 PM

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Sorry, but what does kyc and identity verification have to do with OP's case? I don't get it, or are you referring to the different limits some service providers set for their customers based on their verification level (the higher the verification level the higher the withdrawal limit)!
This is not what OP is complaining about. OP is complaining about the inconsistency between what's written on the ToS page and what customer support told him regarding withdrawal limits.
I also can't understand why some members keep repeating that it's OP's fault for not reading the ToS! Please, re-read the topic and you will realize this is not true.

I understood you very well, even op composition, don't you know that not been verified can enhance a limit of your withdrawal or it will automatically deny you access of withdrawal, the only thing that is contradictory everything is that op said that he/her did KYC immediately he registered to the platform, the thing is that, let him cross if theirs any ways that the documentation he did failed, because its obvious that KYC can be failed, so it's neither what's causing the problem of limit of with withdrawal in that platform maybe as a result of failed documentation as I said before.

In the OP's case, he didn't read the TOS of the casino platform itself, so he was surprised why that was. But we didn't read that his funds were taken and put into the casino, which is also a large amount. Because the first behavior of a new gambler who enters a casino is to try to deposit only a small amount first, not a large amount right away.

Also, an online casino is not a bank, so you can immediately enter a large fund. So the OP's only choice is to follow the rules he can follow, and at least somehow he can still release all his funds, although the only cons are that it is a long process because it is really limited to 500 dollars, even though the withdrawal is not delayed.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on June 13, 2024, 05:10:56 PM

Quote from: Onyeeze on June 13, 2024, 04:11:38 PM

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Sorry, but what does kyc and identity verification have to do with OP's case? I don't get it, or are you referring to the different limits some service providers set for their customers based on their verification level (the higher the verification level the higher the withdrawal limit)!
This is not what OP is complaining about. OP is complaining about the inconsistency between what's written on the ToS page and what customer support told him regarding withdrawal limits.
I also can't understand why some members keep repeating that it's OP's fault for not reading the ToS! Please, re-read the topic and you will realize this is not true.

I understood you very well, even op composition, don't you know that not been verified can enhance a limit of your withdrawal or it will automatically deny you access of withdrawal, the only thing that is contradictory everything is that op said that he/her did KYC immediately he registered to the platform, the thing is that, let him cross if theirs any ways that the documentation he did failed, because its obvious that KYC can be failed, so it's neither what's causing the problem of limit of with withdrawal in that platform maybe as a result of failed documentation as I said before.

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Quote from: mak013 on June 18, 2024, 06:20:53 AM

Quote from: HONDACD125 on June 16, 2024, 04:52:37 PM

Quote from: mak013 on June 16, 2024, 12:19:00 PM

It doesn`t matter what they do, decrease bet limit, ban account or setting withdrawal limit. They can do it using the ToS and you can only try to choose casino without such paragraphs, but it mostly mean, that you don`t find it. And when they need - they show it to you.
I think that it is possible to find casino without such paragraphs, but it is really hard and casino willn`t be well-known.

Actually, it does matter what they do. A gambler should indeed read the terms and conditions of a casino before joining so that everything is clear from the beginning, however, if a casino changes things later on and doesn't even inform the gamblers about it, I would consider that a red flag.

There wouldn't be a problem if they had the rule from the beginning, and if they were to make changes, they should have announced it and informed all the players by showing a popup when they sign up, informing them about the changes just like how Stake and other reputable platforms do it.

I would blame the gambler if they hadn't read the rules and then faced some problem, but if the rules have been changed, the gambler isn't wrong.

Do you always read all the ToS? Honestly please.
I read 2 times all the paragraphs but didn`t find paragraph about decreasing bet limit but when i asked the support about it - they showed it to me(just example). In some ToS we can find paragraph that casino can change ToS and gambler agree with it.
If the casino changed ToS and it wasn`t in ToS from the beginning and gambler didn`t agree with it - casino is wrong. But i think that the problem not here. The problem mostly that all it is in ToS from the beginning but we don`t see/read/find it, until is too late.

Lets just accept the fact that not all would really be that mindful or having the time on reading up sites terms and conditions on which if ever they would really be tending to read it up but still they cant be able to remember whether its been changed up on particular rules or something that has been altered and something that had been changed. This is why no matter what angle that you would really be tending to go or proceed on then there's no way that you could be able to fight up on what casinos that are really that trying out to pull on. Yes, there's nothing we can do if they would really be giving those issues
about on a certain user about being not be able to read up those TOS and have violated it and this is why it do really ends up on holding up with those withdrawals or would be decreasing limit or whatsoever.

This is the main thing that should really be putted up in mind that it would really be always be best that dealing up with known and not into those new platforms that you are heading off with.
It might be not an assurance about not to face up some issues but at least you are that seeing that its a communities choices and recognition.

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Quote from: HONDACD125 on June 16, 2024, 04:52:37 PM

Quote from: mak013 on June 16, 2024, 12:19:00 PM

It doesn`t matter what they do, decrease bet limit, ban account or setting withdrawal limit. They can do it using the ToS and you can only try to choose casino without such paragraphs, but it mostly mean, that you don`t find it. And when they need - they show it to you.
I think that it is possible to find casino without such paragraphs, but it is really hard and casino willn`t be well-known.

Actually, it does matter what they do. A gambler should indeed read the terms and conditions of a casino before joining so that everything is clear from the beginning, however, if a casino changes things later on and doesn't even inform the gamblers about it, I would consider that a red flag.

There wouldn't be a problem if they had the rule from the beginning, and if they were to make changes, they should have announced it and informed all the players by showing a popup when they sign up, informing them about the changes just like how Stake and other reputable platforms do it.

I would blame the gambler if they hadn't read the rules and then faced some problem, but if the rules have been changed, the gambler isn't wrong.

Do you always read all the ToS? Honestly please.
I read 2 times all the paragraphs but didn`t find paragraph about decreasing bet limit but when i asked the support about it - they showed it to me(just example). In some ToS we can find paragraph that casino can change ToS and gambler agree with it.
If the casino changed ToS and it wasn`t in ToS from the beginning and gambler didn`t agree with it - casino is wrong. But i think that the problem not here. The problem mostly that all it is in ToS from the beginning but we don`t see/read/find it, until is too late.

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Quote from: Cantsay on June 16, 2024, 08:02:28 AM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on June 16, 2024, 07:54:25 AM

Lol...Casinos having a presence in the forum is not a requisite for good service, and limit issues like this are scarce. This is true for not seeing such as a regular complaint on the forum but everywhere I also read of casino issues. The main ones are the KYC verification issues, reduced wagering limit and withdrawal denial, many of which are worse than the limit issues here, and the casinos advertising here are not exceptions to these complaints.

All I can advise is that we should look for reputable casinos to avoid all that. The best way to do this is to look for well-liquid casinos like Stake.com with track records. By this, you can't be racking your head to gamble and still racking the same head on the withdrawal limit, which is absurd.

It’s true that a casino having an Ann here does not automatically make them reputable but still, if one wishes to use a casino they can simply go through their Ann thread and see what other forum members who have used them before have said concerning them, and that’s the main reason most people always point out if a casino has a presence here or not - it only serves as a means of getting a better view of what to expect if they should start using it.

It's clear you understand what I wrote and I must say also that I understand the extra you added to it. Giving some of the casinos that advertise here or that are active on the forum in one way or another the benefits of the doubt is a very good way to go by. It has guided many and will continue to do so because this is where you can get the most unbiased review of casinos and sportsbooks better than anywhere on the internet.

Nonetheless, one should be very careful because we've seen good casinos/sportsbooks that later turned bad, also in some cases, the casinos/sportsbooks will not turn bad as such but a certain user will still fall victim of certain interests. One or two of what is causing that is when the player is doing so well with the establishment or trying to withdraw his money, which in most cases is big enough to make some less liquid casinos/sportsbooks greedy.

What am I saying? We should not use the advertisement here as a yardstick for an entire endorsement, there must be some factors of safety where thorough research by the person is needed.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on June 17, 2024, 04:02:50 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 15, 2024, 06:23:24 AM

Quote from: Charles-Tim on June 01, 2024, 10:13:10 AM

The gambling site do not have an announcement thread on this forum. You posted this on the gambling board, go there again and see reputed gambling sites with their announcement threads. Use any of the reputed gambling site like Stake. Stake has both casinos and sports.

I agree with that. If a crypto gambling site isn't presented on this forum, it looks suspicious to me right away. I'm not surprised that OP is having problems with his withdrawals. That was kinda expected, right? There are so many reputable crypto gambling sites presented on this forum that I'm not even registered on all of them. Why look for another?

Buit OP is also a newbie and looks like he just found this forum trying to look for answer and support like what we have seen many in the past that newbie becomes a victim of casino either scam or abusive and when they are asked why chooses those not familiar casinos from legit casino in this forum , all they answered are almost the same and that is they know nothing about bitcointalk not after being scammed or abuse then they see in search engine this forum.

You are right and I agree with you completely, ive also had same experience when a guy came complaining bitterly on this forum how he was scammed by a casino that is not familiar to us on this forum, I felt compassion for him and pmed him to find out why he would choose to play on that casinos, while having hundreds of legitimate and well reputable casinos on this forum at his disposal?
He gave me the exact same reply that he never knew that this forum exist, that it was until he had the issue and started searching for where to share his experiences and possibly get help( if any), that he came across this forum in the search results.

And this also goes to show that most of this newbies usually do not take their time to do a proper and thorough research on casinos they are about to commit money to, before going ahead to, because if they actually do, they should have possibly come across this forum as well, ask questions here before proceeding to deposit money Into the casino if users here with better experiences approve of it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 15, 2024, 06:23:24 AM

Quote from: Charles-Tim on June 01, 2024, 10:13:10 AM

The gambling site do not have an announcement thread on this forum. You posted this on the gambling board, go there again and see reputed gambling sites with their announcement threads. Use any of the reputed gambling site like Stake. Stake has both casinos and sports.

I agree with that. If a crypto gambling site isn't presented on this forum, it looks suspicious to me right away. I'm not surprised that OP is having problems with his withdrawals. That was kinda expected, right? There are so many reputable crypto gambling sites presented on this forum that I'm not even registered on all of them. Why look for another?

Buit OP is also a newbie and looks like he just found this forum trying to look for answer and support like what we have seen many in the past that newbie becomes a victim of casino either scam or abusive and when they are asked why chooses those not familiar casinos from legit casino in this forum , all they answered are almost the same and that is they know nothing about bitcointalk not after being scammed or abuse then they see in search engine this forum.

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Quote from: mak013 on June 16, 2024, 12:19:00 PM

It doesn`t matter what they do, decrease bet limit, ban account or setting withdrawal limit. They can do it using the ToS and you can only try to choose casino without such paragraphs, but it mostly mean, that you don`t find it. And when they need - they show it to you.
I think that it is possible to find casino without such paragraphs, but it is really hard and casino willn`t be well-known.

Actually, it does matter what they do. A gambler should indeed read the terms and conditions of a casino before joining so that everything is clear from the beginning, however, if a casino changes things later on and doesn't even inform the gamblers about it, I would consider that a red flag.

There wouldn't be a problem if they had the rule from the beginning, and if they were to make changes, they should have announced it and informed all the players by showing a popup when they sign up, informing them about the changes just like how Stake and other reputable platforms do it.

I would blame the gambler if they hadn't read the rules and then faced some problem, but if the rules have been changed, the gambler isn't wrong.

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almost couple of hours remaining but OP looks like not interested in dealing with this forum again
as he is not willing to post nor update us what is going on and about that Casino guru decisions hope
that this site will ever comply because it seems that they did not give further answers for OP's claim here.

I just checked up on op's casino guru complaint page and they have been asked for an update as well -- to be more precise, whether they have withdrawn their money or not.

I still think the amount at stake is at least relatively big amount for op hence I remain to lean towards they might come back soon for an update. Maybe, not here anymore but on casino guru at least? 🤔

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Quote from: erep on June 15, 2024, 02:41:56 AM

Quote from: mak013 on June 15, 2024, 12:28:42 AM

The problem is that in any casino there are some paragraphs which allows casino to do anything they want: You won big odd? We decide that it is fixed match. You win too much? We decided decrease you bet limit. Etc. And they don`t need to proof anything - they just say - it is in the ToS.

The paragraph points that explain the authority of the casino which can change any rules but setting withdrawal limits can make users uncomfortable, they will speculate negatively on the rules because the casino never explains the details in the ToS. I think casinos should publish the rules clearly so they know what the limits are for withdrawals and they can update the system to be able to increase account levels for high withdrawal limits.

It doesn`t matter what they do, decrease bet limit, ban account or setting withdrawal limit. They can do it using the ToS and you can only try to choose casino without such paragraphs, but it mostly mean, that you don`t find it. And when they need - they show it to you.
I think that it is possible to find casino without such paragraphs, but it is really hard and casino willn`t be well-known.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on June 16, 2024, 07:54:25 AM

Lol...Casinos having a presence in the forum is not a requisite for good service, and limit issues like this are scarce. This is true for not seeing such as a regular complaint on the forum but everywhere I also read of casino issues. The main ones are the KYC verification issues, reduced wagering limit and withdrawal denial, many of which are worse than the limit issues here, and the casinos advertising here are not exceptions to these complaints.

All I can advise is that we should look for reputable casinos to avoid all that. The best way to do this is to look for well-liquid casinos like Stake.com with track records. By this, you can't be racking your head to gamble and still racking the same head on the withdrawal limit, which is absurd.

It’s true that a casino having an Ann here does not automatically make them reputable but still, if one wishes to use a casino they can simply go through their Ann thread and see what other forum members who have used them before have said concerning them, and that’s the main reason most people always point out if a casino has a presence here or not - it only serves as a means of getting a better view of what to expect if they should start using it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 15, 2024, 06:23:24 AM

Quote from: Charles-Tim on June 01, 2024, 10:13:10 AM

The gambling site do not have an announcement thread on this forum. You posted this on the gambling board, go there again and see reputed gambling sites with their announcement threads. Use any of the reputed gambling site like Stake. Stake has both casinos and sports.

I agree with that. If a crypto gambling site isn't presented on this forum, it looks suspicious to me right away. I'm not surprised that OP is having problems with his withdrawals. That was kinda expected, right? There are so many reputable crypto gambling sites presented on this forum that I'm not even registered on all of them. Why look for another?

Lol...Casinos having a presence in the forum is not a requisite for good service, and limit issues like this are scarce. This is true for not seeing such as a regular complaint on the forum but everywhere I also read of casino issues. The main ones are the KYC verification issues, reduced wagering limit and withdrawal denial, many of which are worse than the limit issues here, and the casinos advertising here are not exceptions to these complaints.

All I can advise is that we should look for reputable casinos to avoid all that. The best way to do this is to look for well-liquid casinos like Stake.com with track records. By this, you can't be racking your head to gamble and still racking the same head on the withdrawal limit, which is absurd.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 15, 2024, 06:23:24 AM

Quote from: Charles-Tim on June 01, 2024, 10:13:10 AM

The gambling site do not have an announcement thread on this forum. You posted this on the gambling board, go there again and see reputed gambling sites with their announcement threads. Use any of the reputed gambling site like Stake. Stake has both casinos and sports.

I agree with that. If a crypto gambling site isn't presented on this forum, it looks suspicious to me right away. I'm not surprised that OP is having problems with his withdrawals. That was kinda expected, right? There are so many reputable crypto gambling sites presented on this forum that I'm not even registered on all of them. Why look for another?

Well, on the other hand though, as much as I personally agree that it's more important for users of this forum to advocate for the casinos, and other service present on this forum, one truth and fact we all must face and agree to is that, there are also several crypto casinos out there that are not on this forum, and they have been operating for several years, and are reputable and well trusted, and maybe their reason for not being on this forum might be because they possibly don't know that a forum like this does exists, and you will agree with me that this forum have never done any type of marketing to introduce the forum to the current new age crypto users.

So, there is really no reason to blame op, since any body outside of this forum can make the same mistake, what I did say is, since he is already, here, hope he start playing on only casinos from this forum, that have been tested and trusted.

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