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It's said that he took out a set of power lines in Italy.  Then John 'hot-start' McCain melted down the aircraft carrier Forrestal fucking around on deck.  Then he tried to crash land another plane into a residential area but thankfully he failed.

It's good to have a daddy and grand-daddy who were navy flag officers when you are as big a fuck-up as Jihad Johnny.

Of course there was also the savings and loan scam when he was a sitting senator.

The guy's whole life has been an epic and on-going disaster for the U.S..  It will be a day to celebrated when he finally kicks the bucket.

A pardon from Nixon.

High praise indeed.   

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In fact McCain was charged with treason and needed to be pardoned by Nixon.  That is why his record is sealed and that is why he guts all the bills to help Americans because he doesn't want us to find out the truth about his cowardly treason...

Excellent work IMO ^^^^^  And the potential jury pool needs to know this official story is not realistic and why.  Thank you very much!

Q will do you no good without energy input estimates.  I suppose you are saying that one end of the span heated up and the heat worked it's way across (since there was little or no fuel left under the part which could be seen in the vid and the grass there was fine?)  OK.  If the span is 20m x 0.5m x 100m, that's about 2.5x10^6 kg.  Heating that mass up to 800C with a specific heat of near 1kj/kg is around 2x10^9 kj or 2,000,000 Mj.  With an incineration value of 50Mj/kg, that's about 40,000kg of HDPE.  So at least that much material would have to burn up in that amount of time, put 100% of it's energy directly into the concrete structure, and the energy would have to stay contained in the structure and transfer evenly across the whole span.

In reality, a fire under the span would disperse most of it's energy to the atmosphere and relatively little to the overpass structure.

As for the Q value, I can tell intuitively that no amount of warming on one end is going to work it's way to the other in under an hour, much less enough to raise the temp to 800 C.  Just now I noticed an aerial view and the surface is wet from fire department hoses.  Both the standing section and the collapsed one.  That is exactly what I would expect just from doing things in the real world.

Also, in actually looking at the pics I'm probably off on my span size estimates.  But the contention of heat transfer is so absurd that it doesn't matter much.  The theory is still a joke.

My eyes just don't want to go down to whatever footprints may lead away from such.

I was hoping you would doubt me: http://truthuncensored.net/john-songbird-mccain-exposed-vietnam-vets-and-pows-liar-and-fraud-video/

Next you'll be claiming people can't sit next to a fireplace because they might be burned.

Has it occurred to you to simply look at the heat transfer coefficients for concrete Q and establish how long it would take to heat a beam up to 400, 600, 800F?

That'd be smarter than blabbering about "It can't be, it has to be my conspiracy theory of the week!"

Where did you get this information? I think it's fake. I was the first time I heard this. Besides McCain is not the first time Senator. If such dirt on him was, I doubt very much that it would be chosen.

Calling Spendulus.  Don't lose interest so soon bro!

You see the linear strip of pulverized concrete directly under the bearing lip?  See the green grass upon which the debris lays?

Are you going to argue that the fire was so intense that within an hour or less it heated the re-bar embedded within the concrete to a plastic condition yet did not even burn the grass 20 feet below?

If I were you, I would try to argue instead that the fire was more intense on the far side and cause a failure there.  Then the bending force shattered the concrete (which can be seen raining down just prior to the explosion.)  The problem here is that the dropped span seems to have come straight down indicating simultaneous failure of the bearing surfaces on both ends of the span.  (The world is so full of amazing symmetrical failure modes these days...)

(Actually what many people would take for 'the explosion' is in fact a draft from the falling span.  The interesting part is a fraction of a second before that.  The direction of draft also gives a good indication of the orientation of the span as it fell.  To bad the shot was not a little more wide because I suspect that the right edge actually started falling first.)

Another thing you might try is that explosives positioned to fracture the bearing lip or the first part of the span would do more damage to the grass 20' below.  I would concede that this is at least a noteworthy observation.

Or you could say "Ya, the official story is clearly bull and it looks a lot like it was blown, but who did it and for what reason isn't very clear."  aka, red-pill.

Or you could puss out and slink away.

Traffic was fucked.before a freaking concrete structure burned down from a crackfire (yes, I'm coining crackfire, apparently, it's a different beast than what we mere.mortals call fire). But anyway, I'm starting to suspect we had some kind of weird ass industrial accident here, and we are seeing a cover-up for the sake of civil liability. This isn't adding up.

I too though McCain was a pretty solid guy, at least, for the sacrifice he endured fin the service of the country. He's old school in a good way, I can dig that. I've never heard anything like this (admittedly, I've only attached the surface,) and this would absolutely ruin it for me as well. If this guy isn't a hero, dammit, what the hell do we have left, LOL?

Do a search for the crackhead (of color) who they arrested...he could barely walk.  He seemed very low-functioning and physically very weak.  They threw the Felony Book at him.

This could be a test of public / media / first responders for a future stunt.

Atlanta is f*cked without I - 85.

Now....back on topic!

Don't know much about it. When he ran against Barack Obama during the 2008 United States Presidential Elections, the media was full of sob-stories detailing the torture which he underwent at the hands of the Viet Cong. If what you had posted is true, then I have to admit that I will be very disappointed.

Yeah, I kept looking for any fringe media reporting it from this angle, partisan or not. I really couldnt, I think this was just I'll timed regular calamity. Don't know about that bridge though, still. We don't have the entire story. And, I understand a media restriction on something of this magnitude happening domestically, they might want to control the spin on this costly and embarrassing mistake.

FYI, training missions often carry ordinance. They train on ... training ... missions.

Fighter jet ejections often result in broken bones.

Planes go down sometimes. It wasn't a definite shoot down. Duh.

The media has not "suddenly shut up about it."

Patience Grasshopper.  All will be revealed in time.

I will admit, the crack heads burning shit theory sounds suspect, but this is one of the few times terrorism, unless it was domestic terrorism, doesn't make sense. Again , no one has fried to claim credit for this. The only folks that would benefit from this financially is the private contractor that would get the contract to rebuild this. It's gonna cost the state, it's gonna cost the federal government, hell, it's gonna cost the citizens, at least in time, value, and convenience. But it doesn't add up. But, the motivation for deception isn't apparent.

F-16 FROM ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE SHOT DOWN OVER MARYLAND
UPDATE: FOX, CNN, AND ALL OTHERS SUDDENLY BLACKED THIS STORY OUT, THIS IS SOMETHING BIG!!!
You probably won't hear it on the news as a shoot down, but there are eyewitnesses that it was a shoot down:

"I was on my back porch and saw a flash. Then a jet falling. And then the BOOM! WTF?!?!?!"

"Crash? I saw a streak of light headed to it right before it exploded."

Anyway, according to early reports on the MSM, the pilots ejected safely, but the big question is, how on earth did an American jet get shot down over Maryland? Was it going to attack DC??? Is there a mutiny going on?

The jet was shot down 10 miles from the white house, which that jet could travel in less than 30 seconds.

No one is talking about a possible attack yet, but it was at least a shoot down (I will take people saying they saw it happen posting about it before I'd ever believe CNN). SO, the question is: Was the jet shot down with one of the missiles that got sent to "ISIS"?

SUBSEQUENT INFO PROVES A NOT ADMITTED TO SHOOT DOWN!
A woman Fox interviewed said there were two large booms before the plane fell and the pilot ejected. WHEN THE PILOT EJECTED, HE WAS ON FIRE. If the pilot was on fire, it can only mean the fuel tanks got ruptured and threw fuel through a totally disintigrated plane. Most intelligent missiles can identify aircraft and seek out the fuel tank. If the pilot was on fire when he ejected, it proves a fuel tank hit. It was not an engine failure or a bird strike!

When you combine this with two other eyewitnesses, one who "saw a flash" and another saying he saw a streak of light go towards the plane, and a woman on Fox News saying the pilot who ejected was on fire, we definitely have a shoot down, they can't put that away!

The pilot is obviously alive but from this picture there's no telling how badly his legs are burnt. He's not standing so he's probably hurt. Update: Reports now say that he got hurt, but he's going to be allright.





PROVEN FUEL TANK HIT/EXPLOSION
A witness told Fox 5 DC/WTTG that he was sitting on his porch when he heard a loud explosion. He said the jet was on fire and he saw the pilot eject. It was the biggest fire ball I've ever seen in my life," Patrick Dotson said."

IMPORTANT: The next thing he said proves the media is lying about an unarmed training flight: "Dotson said the pilot asked if the neighborhood was OK because he had live rounds on board" This came across FOX news live. So it was not a training flight no matter what anyone says, the pilot was a good guy worried about what happened to the neighborhood, AND THE MSM IS NOW LYING TO COVER UP THE FACT THE PLANE WAS LOADED. Gee! I wonder why?

Additionally, "Huge fireball" means complete fuel tank breach. This again strongly indicates it was a missile strike.

OK, now we have: 1. It was not a training flight. 2. It was a fully loaded aircraft with full ammunition. 3. It was a definite shoot down. 4. The pilot cared about damage caused by the crash, (so he's a good guy) and 5. The media suddenly shut up about it. Hush orders.

IT IS OFFICIAL: The DOD has ordered all pictures posted to social media to be deleted. This is getting scrubbed.

Reader comment: First the I-85 bridge and now this. Someone really wants war.

My response: I really think that is what we are looking at. What if they blame NK for the shoot down? It would certainly be convenient. And yesterday even Pravda published that the CIA most likely did the St Petersburg terror attacks. Things are heating up, and bluffs are being called. So there might be dangerous desperation going on.

A reader sent a Google report that said a witness heard gunfire after the plane exploded. Don't know what to make of that because the pilot is still alive, other than possibly along with a missile there was live fire and the sound of it arrived later.

Trump tweeted that he was very upset with this situation also.  He needs those people to get to work.  And that is what the deep state does not want.  Trump is being slow rolled.  Previous presidents ditched their security details and went where they liked and Trump is not being allowed to control his own movement.  Even to see his wife over the weekend.  I say fuck that.

     Dear Trump, bring your own security and let secret service be your second tier at the most.  And no one needs you to live at the White house.  You do what you need to do Mr. President.  Bitbobb