Topic: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 36. (Read 45532 times)

I feel bad for you. Read up on some epidemics, if our immune system was so strong, we wouldn't get sick.
Antivaxxers are truly the worst.

in my country, vaccin is a mandatory given since 3 months old of baby
they give Bacillus Calmette Guerin vaccin , Haemophilus influenza , Pneumococcal conjug (PCV)
but sometimes the baby that vaccinated get a side effect of fever.
the fact is human body has natural  immune. without doing any kind of vaccin.

Some of these people like mercury for your kids.  Not so much for their own.

Most of them are just brainwashed idiots though.  That's what I initially assume of such an individual absent further evidence.

So, you like your mercury, right? It figures.   

A person with a least a tiny amount of understanding will know that the gut of any animal has evolved over millions of years to deal successfully with any substance or element in it's natural surroundings.  The gut breaks down food into smaller molecules.  The ones which are valuable to the organism's metabolism are absorbed through the gut lining and the ones which are harmful and/or toxic are expelled without entering the blood stream.

Injections are a whole different an quite novel mechanism.  In this case whatever is in the vaccine is injected directly into the blood stream, or at least directly into the tissues, without any protection from the gut.  No defense mechanisms have evolved to deal with this threat.

Some of the vaccines are so dangerous that if a nurse drops one on the floor and it breaks before being injected directly into the blood stream of an infant, it constitutes by law a toxic spill and the contaminated carpet is supposed to be taken to a special landfill for hazardous wasted.  The multi-dose vials of influenza which they try to shoot pregnant women with continue to contain this thimerosal, and in these kinds of concentrations I believe.  Unless the laws were to embarrassing for the vaccine pushers and they got an exemption.

http://truthstreammedia.com/2013/09/12/govt-mercury-is-a-toxic-hazardous-waste-unless-its-in-your-vaccines/

Edit:  Just watching the associated video and it describes the AMA ethyl/methyl scam that you fell for.

''(like adding mercury) that makes them dangerous.'' Oh really? Fish contains mercury, in fact the mercury found in fish is Methylmercury which is worse than ethylmercury which is what vaccines contain. Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels.

Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.

You barely need to scratch the surface to see how some of the people who have the largest 'controlling interest' in these huge multi-national pharmaceutical corporations are the same people who have the largest interest in 'the population problem.'  They also have the largest footprint in government operations like 'public health' through lobbying/bribery.

If you marry the concepts popular in  the eugenics movement with the problems attributed to vaccination programs reported around the world a lot of mysteries fall right into place.

Just this morning I found out about a recent 'little problem' that the Philippines has been struggling with related to Sanofi's 'Dengvaxia' product and yet another in a long list corrupt politicians that that country has been vexed with.  Seems that the Philippines has seen a string of such problems ever since the U.S. state department put the country on a list of nations who's population levels threatens 'our national security' back in '74.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200

The Last Known Person Born in the 19th Century Dies in Japan at 117 - https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/the-last-known-person-born-in-the-19th-century-died-in-japan.html

I suspect that some vaccines would be safe and useful if they were made simple, and locally. But because the big pharmaceutical houses manufacture them in large quantities, they have to be made in ways that can preserve them. It's the preservation processes (like adding mercury) that makes them dangerous. In addition, many (probably most) of them don't have real testing behind them to see if they are really safe, and really work most of the time.

The big problem might not be the vaccine idea at all. The big problem is probably only the greed of the big pharmaceutical houses.

That sounds like a health approach to vaccines. I agree that people shouldn't be forced to do things. They especially shouldn't be forced to do things without proper testing and education.

There are vaccines for rabies. They can be administered prophylactically or for a short time after exposure to rabies. Vaccinating dogs has done very well to stop the spread of rabies among humans. Humans can also be vaccinated, but it's not a standard vaccine for the general public to get. It is usually given when people at a much higher risk of exposure. It only requires three doses over a one month period. Immunity is usually very long-lasting. You can read a bit more about it on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine

I'm just fine with vaccines if they are justified based on unbiased information which is completely available to everyone for analysis.  Of course they have to be used only for exactly what they are marketed for and nothing else.

I'm obviously against forced vaccinations, and especially if such programs are forced by pitting one group against another.  I'm telling you, with even a little background in science, just dipping one's toe into the technology exposes that some pretty weird shit is going down.

To my knowledge rabies vaccine use for humans is never done unless one is know or suspected to have been bitten by a rabid animal.  As far as I know it is an expensive and painful procedure involving many shots directly into the abdomen over a period of days.  Maybe there is new technology in use for humans now.  Don't know because I've not researched it.

Well, in this graph it does look like the diphtheria vaccine had a great positive influence. It in very interesting though to see how little some of the others have made a difference. I don't think the data implies that they are 100% snake oil at all. I'm happy to finally see you acknowledge that you don't think that either. I agree with you that it is unwise to think that "vaccine" must mean that it's great idea to just get it. I think some vaccines are more useful than others. There are some that I'm sure it would be pointless to get. If you work with wild animals often, for example, it would be a very good idea to have a rabies vaccine. Rabies can kill you in 7 days, if not treated.

Some of these facts are close to truth. But mention that many vaccines really work well. For example vaccine against HPV-16 etc. for women, it really can protect them from serious diseases and difficulties.

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

Note when, in the decline of all of these diseases, vaccination was actually put into play.  That's pretty strong proof of their actual impact and effectiveness.  Indeed, looking at the data one could logically conclude that they are 100% snake oil.  I don't believe they are, but they are certainly not the miracle they are marketed to be by the medical/industrial complex.

Is there any chance you can find some proof of that? I can't seem to find historical data for life expectancy in Japan. I don't think the reduction in child mortality is just due to hygiene. You seem to discredit any developments in medicine. Medicine was definitely a thing before hygiene. You're right though, of course, medicine became much more effective, when people started better understanding the idea of bacteria and hygiene. If you get sick, do you not go to the doctor? Do you just wash more often? I think medicine is unmistakably progress and increases longevity.

Nope. It is due to hygiene. There have been many peoples around the world who have always had general life expectancies in the range of 80 to 90 years - Japan, parts of China, some of the Himalayas.

If you take a look, you will see that medicine and hygiene arrived about the same time in Europe and the Americas. It wasn't the medicine. It was the hygiene practices of the medical people.

The term 'conspiracy theory' was circulate by the U.S. intelligence community in a memo to their 'embedded assets' in the media at a time when they were desperate to dampen down suspicions about the Kennedy assignation.  The basic idea was to label anyone who questioned the government's narrative as a 'conspiracy theorist' and try to get society to 'shame' such people.  We know this from the Church committee hearings and exposure of 'project mockingbird.'

The strategy of 'conspiracy theorist' labeling worked better than anyone imagined and to this day it is highly used.  It's sort of a jedi mind trick I suppose.

We so-called 'conspiracy theorist' gain nothing but trouble and grief for questioning authority.  Many of us understand the various operations to a degree where we could exploit it for our own gain.  Yet some of us choose not to.  Some people may think that God will be more likely to set aside a seat in heaven if we do the right thing.  Others, like myself, just decided to try to live our lives as decent and caring people.

We 'anti-vaxxers' almost never tell other people what to think and what to do.  All we do is tell others how we feel and why.  It is the 'pro-vaxxers' who parrot the government and medical/industrial complex propaganda and try to force their fellow humans to take the government mandated shots.  The method the government uses is the same old 'tell the people that other people constitute a threat.'  Here's a permutation expressed by a noted Nazi leader.  Of course the Nazi regime was very familiar with these standard population management principles which is why they had good success...for a while.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3X41n0hTbE