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as someone who sold at 72 and watching the price climb up it is ruining my evening and driving me nuts.

after doing that a couple of times, I've realised I should hold most my btc and do this with only a small amount where I don't feel compelled to buy back in at a loss in fear of missing the boat - I can just wait for it to drop back, no matter how long it takes, if it doesn't drop - not a big deal.
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At the moment though, and it hurts to say, btc is still almost exclusively a financial platform, a very speculative one at that. Not nearly ready to go helping the 3rd world.
This is where I think bitcoin will start helping people outside of the US and Europe:

http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/393671-1372182394-major-online-staffing-site-outbounderscom-now-accepts-bitcoin.html

Developments like this make it easier for programmers, artists, designers, and other people whose product can be delivered via the Internet, to sell their services on the international market. I'm sure there are plenty of people in Argentina with those kinds of skills and Bitcoin solves the problem of allowing anyone in the world to pay anyone else in the world.

The ability to spend Bitcoins on imported goods is growing too; it won't remain a speculator's toy forever.

thats a very nice sign..  only 1100 employers at this time  but it could be a trend setter .
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My theory.

Why 31? 57-ish seems much more likely as that is where the crash bounced off of.

I just have a feeling around 30-50.  Point being, still fall a bit, until a slow recovery.

My main worry is companies like bitpay, flattr and all these new ones popping up that convert to fiat, which could stop that recovery, or at least extend it out for much longer than everybody (or me at least) is expecting.
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At the moment though, and it hurts to say, btc is still almost exclusively a financial platform, a very speculative one at that. Not nearly ready to go helping the 3rd world.
This is where I think bitcoin will start helping people outside of the US and Europe:

http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/393671-1372182394-major-online-staffing-site-outbounderscom-now-accepts-bitcoin.html

Developments like this make it easier for programmers, artists, designers, and other people whose product can be delivered via the Internet, to sell their services on the international market. I'm sure there are plenty of people in Argentina with those kinds of skills and Bitcoin solves the problem of allowing anyone in the world to pay anyone else in the world.

The ability to spend Bitcoins on imported goods is growing too; it won't remain a speculator's toy forever.
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This bull will try to shake you off. Hold tight!
Argentine here.

I'm gonna be painfully honest, but I've seen the "btc saviour of the 3rd world" used a lot and though I'd love nothing more than to agree with it, I've sadly come to the realization it is completely false.

Yes, at first BTC sounds ideal to countries like ours with devaluating currencies and hyperinflating economies, but the awful truth is there is no easy way for us to get BTC and no way to get it at market price. But even before that, we cannot get USD. We even got a black market for that, USD is expensive. If you get your USD as an Argentinian, you'll soon find out there is no way for you to inject it into one of the exchanges, they all require you to link a US or EU/Sepa bank, or a us payment system (dwolla,etc) or maybe use some retail moneypacks (which you guessed.. don't exist here). International bank wire from Arg have prohibitive costs.

Another sad truth is the fact we Argentinian's (and lots of other 3rd world countries) rely heavily solely on Paypal and CC's to buy internationally. We all know that's not happening for BTC, at least not on a regular basis, but truth be told, the BTC I was able to acquire at market price or closest to it I got them through Paypal, thanks to people who trusted me.

If we go through all this, and our btc investments do well, good luck getting those dollars back on the Argentine system. If you're a long bull like myself, that shouldn't matter for now at least..

Even if you disregard everything cost and acquisition related, another harsh truth is there's nothing I can do here in Argentina with my BTC other than use it as a (volatile) store of value. Again, sadly, over the last year I've also realized that bitcoin has placed all it's energies in building rich financial systems and infrastructure (very much like the ones we try to replace and prone to the same heavy abuse), all the while ignoring the development of a real economy and everyday commerce tools.

It's easy for big fish in the US or EU to buy huge loads of btc, and manipulate the market.
It's hard for small 3rd world guys to do 800 pesos = 90 usd = 1 btc, with fees all along and market markup.

The M-Pesa news sounds like a great step in the right direction,  I'll take that.

At the moment though, and it hurts to say, btc is still almost exclusively a financial platform, a very speculative one at that. Not nearly ready to go helping the 3rd world.


That was a very interesting post. Thank you so much for sharing your opinion and experiences.

I've always found it contradictory that the most advanced technology would be adopted first by the least advanced countries. The cell phone analogy does not apply as they just skipped the landlines in 3th world but in no way did they adopt something superior as the West. The West also have cell phones, and for a much better price/quality likely.

Also on the regulation side, the least advanced countries have the most violent rulers. Bitcoin cannot become mainstream when oppressed by rulers in my opinion. It is already highly uncertain whether western governments will suppress bitcoin or not, so it looks totally unrealistic to me that countries with even less freedom like 3th world and Asia would see bitcoin become mainstream before the West.
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is hitting resistance at $80 and now time 2 buy .. up up and away.





You posted that twice already. On the same page.

Did something change or make this second post have a point? No? Okay, then stfu.

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is hitting resistance at $80 and now time 2 buy .. up up and away.



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My theory.



Why 31? 57-ish seems much more likely as that is where the crash bounced off of.
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Very very cool. I'd like to see how this plays out. Many have said it will be in the 2nd and 3rd world nations where BTC gets traction first.

In my opinion this kind of news is extremely interesting, and while it's neglected by many, its potentially more bullish than any ETF. Underdeveloped counties can play a fundamental role in future currencies and stores of value.

In a sense we need a killer app of some type. This could be the start at least in another country. We only need things to start taking off in one location and then the organic nature of BTC (, developers and the VC's) can take over.
My concern though, with something like this is the volatility of BTC. That is not a problem if you are using Bitpay or the like, but for BTC to work in these countries I would think there needs to
be some form of stability, UNLESS the inflation rate there is more risky than BTC (e.g. - Argentina).

Can you imagine if this "app" takes off AFTER we correct and people in poor nations are locked into something deflationary and rising quite steadily in price?

IAS
At the moment though, and it hurts to say, btc is still almost exclusively a financial platform, a very speculative one at that. Not nearly ready to go helping the 3rd world.


I don't know about that: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kipochi-offers-first-mobile-bitcoin-wallet-in-africa-250338

This is a huge step in the right direction.

Edit: didn't realize your response was in regard to that same news. However I stand by my point.
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Very very cool. I'd like to see how this plays out. Many have said it will be in the 2nd and 3rd world nations where BTC gets traction first.

In my opinion this kind of news is extremely interesting, and while it's neglected by many, its potentially more bullish than any ETF. Underdeveloped counties can play a fundamental role in future currencies and stores of value.

In a sense we need a killer app of some type. This could be the start at least in another country. We only need things to start taking off in one location and then the organic nature of BTC (, developers and the VC's) can take over.
My concern though, with something like this is the volatility of BTC. That is not a problem if you are using Bitpay or the like, but for BTC to work in these countries I would think there needs to
be some form of stability, UNLESS the inflation rate there is more risky than BTC (e.g. - Argentina).

Can you imagine if this "app" takes off AFTER we correct and people in poor nations are locked into something deflationary and rising quite steadily in price?

IAS

Argentine here.

I'm gonna be painfully honest, but I've seen the "btc saviour of the 3rd world" used a lot and though I'd love nothing more than to agree with it, I've sadly come to the realization it is completely false.

Yes, at first BTC sounds ideal to countries like ours with devaluating currencies and hyperinflating economies, but the awful truth is there is no easy way for us to get BTC and no way to get it at market price. But even before that, we cannot get USD. We even got a black market for that, USD is expensive. If you get your USD as an Argentinian, you'll soon find out there is no way for you to inject it into one of the exchanges, they all require you to link a US or EU/Sepa bank, or a us payment system (dwolla,etc) or maybe use some retail moneypacks (which you guessed.. don't exist here). International bank wire from Arg have prohibitive costs.

Another sad truth is the fact we Argentinian's (and lots of other 3rd world countries) rely heavily solely on Paypal and CC's to buy internationally. We all know that's not happening for BTC, at least not on a regular basis, but truth be told, the BTC I was able to acquire at market price or closest to it I got them through Paypal, thanks to people who trusted me.

If we go through all this, and our btc investments do well, good luck getting those dollars back on the Argentine system. If you're a long bull like myself, that shouldn't matter for now at least..

Even if you disregard everything cost and acquisition related, another harsh truth is there's nothing I can do here in Argentina with my BTC other than use it as a (volatile) store of value. Again, sadly, over the last year I've also realized that bitcoin has placed all it's energies in building rich financial systems and infrastructure (very much like the ones we try to replace and prone to the same heavy abuse), all the while ignoring the development of a real economy and everyday commerce tools.

It's easy for big fish in the US or EU to buy huge loads of btc, and manipulate the market.
It's hard for small 3rd world guys to do 800 pesos = 90 usd = 1 btc, with fees all along and market markup.

The M-Pesa news sounds like a great step in the right direction,  I'll take that.

At the moment though, and it hurts to say, btc is still almost exclusively a financial platform, a very speculative one at that. Not nearly ready to go helping the 3rd world.
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Bitstamp caught back up to Goxxian price, predicting very small bounce up $2 to $80 then bouncing down off of $80 down again.
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I think is sustaining at $80 and is all the way up.^^
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From the looks of things, the outcome is very certain:


Uh... Overpriced, Overpriced, Overpriced, Underpriced, Overpriced, Overpriced, Overpriced, Overpriced.

Right? You technical margin traders are mental.
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