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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 33368. (Read 26497683 times)

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What I know is the US dollar is by far the most popular black market currency.  Again, maybe in bizzaro world, it's bitcoin but here on Earth, the US dollar is king.  Bitcoin...ummm....what's a Bitcoin?   Roll Eyes

The present will be the past in the future. Get used to it.
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The only people that need to transmit money anonymously, are criminals and tax evaders.

No. Everybody should be able to do that just as everybody should to be able to communicate with others in privacy.
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There is no reason for the sudden and dramatic rise in volume. Insider trading? My bet is that some traders have become aware of impending negative news regarding gox and want coins off the exchange. We've been on the edge since the Dwolla incident.

Is this some kind of advanced reverse psychology that you are speaking?  Cheesy
There was just a conference with lots of VC's there. So, some traders know of impending negative news and so are somehow driving the price up and risking lots of $$$ in the meantime?
You should write children's stories...  Grin

Come on, you can come up with something more factual that that. How about the Japanese stock market COLLAPSED by 12% yesterday and that is a sign that Quantitative Easing (aka planned hyperinflation) doesn't work.

Looks like I may have been right though...
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There is no reason for the sudden and dramatic rise in volume. Insider trading? My bet is that some traders have become aware of impending negative news regarding gox and want coins off the exchange. We've been on the edge since the Dwolla incident.

Or, insiders getting their money out of liberty reserve and converting into Bitcoin just in time.
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The problem is there's not any real bullish momentum in the market. The market moves up when someone with 7 figures decides to push it up. It's not moving up as a real result of supply < demand. If you watch the order book for 10 minutes you'll see how much of the already stagnant volume is only coming from market maker bots. The price wouldn't even be above 120 right now if it weren't for the aforementioned phenomena.

However, the price isn't going to go down until the same small pool of players with deep pockets decide to dump.

But it's been this way almost all month, so what can you do.
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Well at least we have a more even spread between bulls and bears now. I always feel uncomfortable when everyone here seems to be bullish on the short term, it makes me want to sell my coins. Grin

I see bears! Buy buy buy!  Cheesy
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Maybe you have some trouble to grasp the concept of very scarce a non-inflatable currency.
Yeah, and perhaps onecoin truly is the most expensive coin ever.  Roll Eyes

Scarcity principle doesn't apply without the proper demand.

There will be proper demand of Bitcoin regardless of it being legal or illegal in the US, I can guarantee you that.

See, this what you continue to repeat (and imply), but you have not proven it at all.

"Growth potential" as you called it ≠ the guarantee of massive demand in the future.

And the "hard math" based on difficulty -- no possibility that bitcoin simply becomes unprofitable to mine?
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i'm just trying to understand the thinking process of guys telling me we're going down because a random dude pushed the price down with 7k and have been mysteriously rebuy on 126 in 1 minute. but if you come and tell me there're bad news...ect, then im agree to talk on a possible down.  Grin
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Well at least we have a more even spread between bulls and bears now. I always feel uncomfortable when everyone here seems to be bullish on the short term, it makes me want to sell my coins. Grin
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when did i said we were "steamrolling upward"? i'm just saying atm we're going slowly up on low volume.

Oh, I must have misunderstood then...

we're on low volume for days now and it didn't push us down at all...

136 to 124 = done by one person wich do not representative at all

I'm saying it is representative that a single individual could do this.


im agreed if it's done on a regulated stocks but bitcoin is a free market and you can't draw aside "manipulation" or name that like you want.

and btw did you saw how this drop have been done? this 7k wasn't looking at all to sell but just pushing the price down. (personal jugement ofc)
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when did i said we were "steamrolling upward"? i'm just saying atm we're going slowly up on low volume.

Oh, I must have misunderstood then...

we're on low volume for days now and it didn't push us down at all...

136 to 124 = done by one person wich do not representative at all

I'm saying it is representative that a single individual could do this.
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Personally I think it's going to go down. Maybe it will go up a bit first, who knows.

A rise in price on very low volume with the occasional 'booster' purchase of 1000 BTC completely out of nowhere certainly doesn't look like a bull market to me.

It looks like someone's trying to maintain the price with the occasional buy.
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before the huge 7k drop you had a huge drop of 2.5k it started at this moment not before.

it wasn't 7k but way more. you didn't count all the other guys who panicked. Check the volume.. the $10 drop wasn't that much

The 7k I was talking about is the "huge" wall that made some "panic".

Like I said, if really the market was steamrolling upward, the 7k would simply have been bought.

when did i said we were "steamrolling upward"? i'm just saying atm we're going slowly up on low volume.

cmon dont be blind if you put a trend between may 7th and now you see we're going up a bit (wich is not a prediction at all for the future btw) but it's a fact

the only drops we have between this moment are dwolla and this misteryous 7k that's it.
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before the huge 7k drop you had a huge drop of 2.5k it started at this moment not before.

it wasn't 7k but way more. you didn't count all the other guys who panicked. Check the volume.. the $10 drop wasn't that much

The 7k I was talking about is the "huge" wall that made some "panic".

Like I said, if really the market was steamrolling upward, the 7k would simply have been bought.
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Well, we might have some rough days ahead but I would say the order book won't tell the whole story. I'm sure vested interests have buy programs to limit downside. If not, with BTC's growth, we can imagine buyers would surface pretty quickly. Long term picture here and perhaps we shouldn't worry too much about the short term.

I expect more "attacks" on funding mechanisms in a regulated centric way. But that will definitely fail as properly regulated (larger firms like Bitinstant and such) are or will fill those voids. It will become a PR war, throwing around words like "money laundering" and "terrorism" but we have HSBC (8 billion in drug money laundering) and Wachova (100's of billions in laundered drug money) on "our" side.  Wink


Keyword, regulated.  Glad to see you coming around to supporting something that makes sense.

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BTC was really designed for what is coming as were the people supporting it, at least in part...

Right, by supporting regulations right?  Ok, just making sure.  I guess we have no disagreements now.  Please carry on...
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Except the $136 to $124 drop...

136 to 124 = done by one person wich do not representative at all

low volume started around may 7th and we were at 110, we're actually at 129 wich is not for me a "down"

but you can hope for an other big sell if your trading management is based on hope it doesn't bother me.

EDIT: i'm not telling everyone it's going up or down im just telling that taking a position right now is rly risky business to me

You can hope for another rally, it doesn't bother me.

Just as a heads up, we started going down (after $136) before the huge wall appeared.

In addition, if the market was sure of its direction, 7k BTC would not have dropped the price more than $10, like it did.

it wasn't 7k but way more. you didn't count all the other guys who panicked. Check the volume.. the $10 drop wasn't that much

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yeah, why dont YOU show us the evidence

people who wont see will not see even the evidence, im watching facts when you're guided by emotion sweety
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Except the $136 to $124 drop...

136 to 124 = done by one person wich do not representative at all

low volume started around may 7th and we were at 110, we're actually at 129 wich is not for me a "down"

but you can hope for an other big sell if your trading management is based on hope it doesn't bother me.

EDIT: i'm not telling everyone it's going up or down im just telling that taking a position right now is rly risky business to me

You can hope for another rally, it doesn't bother me.

Just as a heads up, we started going down (after $136) before the huge wall appeared.

In addition, if the market was sure of its direction, 7k BTC would not have dropped the price more than $10, like it did.

Well, we might have some rough days ahead but I would say the order book won't tell the whole story. I'm sure vested interests have buy programs to limit downside. If not, with BTC's growth, we can imagine buyers would surface pretty quickly. Long term picture here and perhaps we shouldn't worry too much about the short term.

I expect more "attacks" on funding mechanisms in a regulated centric way. But that will definitely fail as properly regulated (larger firms like Bitinstant and such) are or will fill those voids. It will become a PR war, throwing around words like "money laundering" and "terrorism" but we have HSBC (8 billion in drug money laundering) and Wachova (100's of billions in laundered drug money) on "our" side.  Wink

BTC was really designed for what is coming as were the people supporting it, at least in part...
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