Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 33407.

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HEY, BEARS!

Bored with our bullish rantings?

Wanna show us once and for all where the market is really heading?

We need YOU to write a bearish fundamentals analysis thread to counterbalance the bullish one here:

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The list must be true, but you can cherry-pick out the bullish stories and put a bearish spin on whatever's left. Then the bull thread and bear thread can link to the other and people can decide for themselves.

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sorry if this has been posted here, but this is pretty cool:

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Quote from: Frozenlock on May 25, 2013, 09:36:59 AM

Quote from: Its About Sharing on May 25, 2013, 09:34:02 AM

We have battles ahead of us, such is life.

To the Bitcoin machine!

*Batman tune*

You have sort of grown on me. Grin

Looks like we have a few decent sized walls on either side of us, 128 ish and a broken up one at 135 ish.

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Quote from: Its About Sharing on May 25, 2013, 09:34:02 AM

We have battles ahead of us, such is life.

To the Bitcoin machine!

*Batman tune*

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Quote from: TheKoziTwo on May 25, 2013, 09:07:53 AM

The question now is, how much money did mtgox lose? bitinstant? aurumexchange? btc-e? There must be some significant losses here, who are the bag holders and what are they gonna do? Personally I transfered most of my LR into BTC-E only some weeks back, so I doubt I lost much.

I'm not sure I agree that people will start dumping BTC for fiat after LR was just closed, mark could be arrested for money laundering too. If anything, it seems more reasonable that people will buy BTC to secure themselves against such attacks.

Closing down Dwolla and LR as a funding source only inspires and sparks innovation.

Remember what happened after Napster was taken down? Enter Torrent. Well, our torrent, for starters, will be a true decentralized exchange.

We have battles ahead of us, such is life.

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The question now is, how much money did mtgox lose? bitinstant? aurumexchange? btc-e? There must be some significant losses here, who are the bag holders and what are they gonna do? Personally I transfered most of my LR into BTC-E only some weeks back, so I doubt I lost much.

I'm not sure I agree that people will start dumping BTC for fiat after LR was just closed, mark could be arrested for money laundering too. If anything, it seems more reasonable that people will buy BTC to secure themselves against such attacks.

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Quote from: TheKoziTwo on May 25, 2013, 08:48:39 AM

Very sad news, USA just can't stay out of anything can they? But at the same time, this is probably quite bullish for bitcoin. LR was the new e-gold, every HYIP, autosurf and similar business was using LR...It was quite massive, tons of people where using it. Now those people can go to perfect money, hdmoney etc, but the same thing could happen there... Perhaps people will start looking for real alternatives that can't be shutdown, otherwise this trend will continue. Money laundering = transfering money outside of the banking system. Such BS charges.

The one short term risk is people being forced to liquidate BTC. If 150M of fiat just got nuked, people are going to have to sell something to make up for that. Will be interesting to see if there's a number of large coin dumps today.

MtGox has now lost Dwolla and LR. I'm not sure how much LR was used but it might slow down some fiat coming into the exchange at least for the very short term.

Med/Long term this is great news.

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Well, that sorta sucks. Looks like Liberty Reserve was shutdown today.

Costa Rican arrested in Spain for alleged financial crimes

Article seems a little iffy, but http://www.libertyreserve.com/ does appear to be down.

The obvious question now: what are LR users going to transact with instead?

And how many people had money sitting on LR. Seems like a fairly big deal. Without Dwolla, I'd imagine LR was a fairly big chunk of Gox deposits. Surprised no one is talking about this, they were down all day Friday. Maybe not that many people used LR.

Wow this is HUGE big shitz, LR is a gigantic washing machine with millions transiting, many exchange business that deals with LR also do bitcoin, like Aurumxchange. Expect big Losses due to this shutdown for whole digital currency community.

Well BTC is Monopoly now , heck i'm turning ubber bull, i'm holding btc for long, to hell with short term trading.

Very sad news, USA just can't stay out of anything can they? But at the same time, this is probably quite bullish for bitcoin. LR was the new e-gold, every HYIP, autosurf and similar business was using LR...It was quite massive, tons of people where using it. Now those people can go to perfect money, hdmoney etc, but the same thing could happen there... Perhaps people will start looking for real alternatives that can't be shutdown, otherwise this trend will continue. Money laundering = transfering money outside of the banking system. Such BS charges.

edit: just checked a few of those forums, there is desperation... half of all topics on first page was about liberty reserve.

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Quote from: Miz4r on May 25, 2013, 08:20:51 AM

Interesting how Bitstamp isn't too bothered right now. Pretty steady at $128 now, smallest gap with MtGox in weeks.

In Germany on Bitcoin.de the price is holding steady at 97 Euro, as it was yesterday.

It is nice to see the other exchanges not being affected, much harder to manipulate a "distributed" system. Can't wait for the real thing...

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Quote from: EuroTrash on May 25, 2013, 07:35:56 AM

I think the Liberty Reserve news is a big deal.
LRUSD was the virtual currency of choice for a lot of shady or barely legal businesses.
I estimate a few TENs of millions LRUSD are now suddlenly useless.

In what way big news? My first thought is that it is good for BTC as money has fewer places to go now.
Bad, perhaps one can make an argument that money laundering or drug money will come our way now, but that is true of any currency, really.

The big difference between BTC and LR, at a minimum, is you can't just shut down BTC and it is already being somewhat regulated.

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Interesting how Bitstamp isn't too bothered right now. Pretty steady at $128 now, smallest gap with MtGox in weeks.

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Quote from: ardana123 on May 25, 2013, 07:45:53 AM

LOL

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Quote from: dexX7 on May 25, 2013, 06:53:01 AM

Well that was unexpected.

Well, i don't think it was unexpected at all, in fact i was expecting some bear greed. A lot of people just sell to rebuy cheaper, all short term bears here are just long term bulls.

I wish someone push the price to 1000$ spending 20mil$ in one move after a severe dump, lefting all bears that sell back at 128$ with no coins to purchase at Gox.

right. imho that fiat-profit-bears are really hurting btc-economy. :-/

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Quote from: EuroTrash on May 25, 2013, 07:35:56 AM

I think the Liberty Reserve news is a big deal.
LRUSD was the virtual currency of choice for a lot of shady or barely legal businesses.
I estimate a few TENs of millions LRUSD are now suddlenly useless.

I find it amusing that the price is heading south for the short term. This is major bullish news IMO.

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Watch out, don't get caught into a bear trap. Wink

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Yeah, I will haunt your dreams. Grin

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