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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 67. (Read 26710313 times)
December 22, 2024, 10:30:56 AM
December 22, 2024, 10:26:24 AM
Still can't decide on that hardware wallet... 
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.
On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...
I've used Trezor since 2013, love their devices and you can even flash BTC only firmwares on it. Have owned a few Ledgers as well (I like to tinker) but Trezor is where it's at for meI want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.
On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...
About Ledger, I bought two of them (I think it was the Nano S), one for me and one for a friend. Never opened mine, and ended up gifting it to another friend, so I don't have any experience on its use. Although I've heard positive things about their wallets, after the user data breach that happened to the company a few years ago, I lost confidence in them.
I'd recommend the Trezor Safe 3. I just saw there is now a new model, the Safe 5, with a color touchscreen. If you're into this sort of thing and expect to be using the wallet frequently, you can get that one for the convenience of the touchscreen. The Safe 3 is ideal for me, as I like its simplicity and don't use it very often.
The older models without the secure element are the Trezor one and the Model T.
The newer models with the secure element are the Safe 3 and the Safe 5.
Yes the models are similar in terms of size between the trezor one and the safe 3. The model T and the safe 5 both have color touch screens.
All 4 of the models have similar features, including the ability to have an infinite number of passphrase wallets.
I am pretty sure that the models with the secure element are less open source than the models without the secure element, since so far there has not been any secure element software that is completely open sourced. So then there can be a question regarding who is your potential attack vector, and if some bad actor gets physical access to your device, then the older models without the secure element would be more vulnerable to that attack angle.
The secure element will help with the physical attack vector, but it does not help with potential back door vulnerabilities since from my understanding so far there is not a way to get a secure element that is completely open source.
Trezor proclaims to be striving to be as open source as they are able to be, including their ongoingly working on making a secure element that can be open sourced, which seems to be a worthy aspiration to be as open sourced as possible. Many of us likely suspect that these bitcoin-related companies get various pressures from governments, so it cannot always be known how much they are having to share information or to write software in ways that governments find acceptable.. and so areas of not knowing (not being open source) can create concerns about ways that information could be compromised or unknown back doors could be present. I don't claim to know technical intricacies in regards to how exactly to weigh trade offs.
You know another claim against the Trezor is to say that the USB cable is vulnerable, so that there are air-gapped wallets, like the passport and the coldcard... so there can be trade offs with usability and privacy/security.
December 22, 2024, 10:11:12 AM
Still can't decide on that hardware wallet...
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.
On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.
On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...
Many of us have said fuck Ledger.. they have shitty products and it has a lot of issues.
Trezor is very good and very user-friendly.
I heard that Passport is easier than Coldcard, and I found Passport to be way more difficult to use as compared with Trezor, and surely they have some air gapped security measures, but it can be a bit complicated to have standard wallets and passphrase wallets on the Passport.. .. but I am still practicing with it.. since I wanted to experiment a bit more. Of course, anything you get should be open-source, and surely Ledger is not quite open source and they even admitted to having some abilities to access coins under certain circumstances, which should cause any of us to pause...even though they are a very popular shitcoin wallet, yet Trezor has a lot of shitcoins, too, even though you could get a bitcoin only version of Trezor.. which is just choosing which firmware to run, so any of the Trezor models can be bitcoin only or allow shitcoins depending on choice of firmware. .and even you could switch at a later date, too..
the basic trezor is cheap he can get two use one for btc use the other for various other crypto.
https://trezor.io/trezor-model-one-white they have white or black in the basic edition one.
get one of each. use one for btc only use the other for alternative crypto.
make a few copies of the seeds store the copies in a safe spot you are done.
a set of two is about 100 if you have 10,000 in coin or more it is under 1% of the value of your coins.
December 22, 2024, 10:01:18 AM
December 22, 2024, 10:00:59 AM
Ha Ha.
Google computer can crack, generate all possible PKeys and BTC Wallets simoustanly in 3 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XbI9aJOXk
And the Chinese and Russians are freaking out cause they cant copypaste the tech 🤣
Google computer can crack, generate all possible PKeys and BTC Wallets simoustanly in 3 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XbI9aJOXk
And the Chinese and Russians are freaking out cause they cant copypaste the tech 🤣
December 22, 2024, 09:01:15 AM
December 22, 2024, 08:55:21 AM
Hey @JimboToronto seems I am missing alot.
Haven't been stable here to follow up. Could you tell about the gay cats and cat card?
My question might seems to be awkward but really wanna know.
Haven't been stable here to follow up. Could you tell about the gay cats and cat card?
My question might seems to be awkward but really wanna know
.Inside jokes generally stem from context, a shared experience or maybe even the WO group dynamic that seems to create a sense of exclusivity. In this case, you don't have to have a long history here (although it might help) as there is plenty of very recent context for you to figure it out all on your own. It only requires a few seconds of reading and a mediocre level of reading comprehension. In fact, if you just read this post, you will understand.
Hint: it's quoted in this post as well as being red and bold.
Thank you boss
..I clearly understand, though was thinking there is something much differential from it, but it wasn't what i was assuming/thinking it was.
December 22, 2024, 08:37:08 AM
Still can't decide on that hardware wallet...
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.
On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...
I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.
On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...
I've used Trezor since 2013, love their devices and you can even flash BTC only firmwares on it. Have owned a few Ledgers as well (I like to tinker) but Trezor is where it's at for me
About Ledger, I bought two of them (I think it was the Nano S), one for me and one for a friend. Never opened mine, and ended up gifting it to another friend, so I don't have any experience on its use. Although I've heard positive things about their wallets, after the user data breach that happened to the company a few years ago, I lost confidence in them.
I'd recommend the Trezor Safe 3. I just saw there is now a new model, the Safe 5, with a color touchscreen. If you're into this sort of thing and expect to be using the wallet frequently, you can get that one for the convenience of the touchscreen. The Safe 3 is ideal for me, as I like its simplicity and don't use it very often.
just to pile on, these are ones ive owned
used Trezor One since they came out - no probs (but hardware itself can be compromised if someone has physical access to it and the equipment)
use Trezor T since they came out - no probs
used Ledger - FUCK NO nothing but risk here. stay away
December 22, 2024, 08:28:17 AM
It's not the gay cards that make the price go up, i tell you this every fucking christmas and you never listen, it's the cat cards.
How about gay cats?
Haven't been stable here to follow up. Could you tell about the gay cats and cat card?
My question might seems to be awkward but really wanna know
.Inside jokes generally stem from context, a shared experience or maybe even the WO group dynamic that seems to create a sense of exclusivity. In this case, you don't have to have a long history here (although it might help) as there is plenty of very recent context for you to figure it out all on your own. It only requires a few seconds of reading and a mediocre level of reading comprehension. In fact, if you just read this post, you will understand.
Hint: it's quoted in this post as well as being red and bold.
December 22, 2024, 08:01:15 AM
December 22, 2024, 07:01:17 AM
December 22, 2024, 06:21:48 AM
It's not the gay cards that make the price go up, i tell you this every fucking christmas and you never listen, it's the cat cards.
How about gay cats?
Haven't been stable here to follow up. Could you tell about the gay cats and cat card?
My question might seems to be awkward but really wanna know
. December 22, 2024, 06:01:15 AM
December 22, 2024, 05:04:45 AM
Hey buddy how about a Christmas gift of 110k 
December 22, 2024, 05:01:14 AM
December 22, 2024, 04:01:17 AM
December 22, 2024, 03:56:07 AM
The Safe 3 is ideal for me, as I like its simplicity and don't use it very often.
I think I should go for this safe 3, I have been thinking of getting one since 2022 but never been a serious about it. 
December 22, 2024, 03:40:07 AM
It's not the gay cards that make the price go up, i tell you this every fucking christmas and you never listen, it's the cat cards.
How about gay cats?
December 22, 2024, 03:25:53 AM
On that note, where is Bob?
Bob seemed to got fed up with this place, bc. it's no more the place he used to enjoy staying in. There has been a history of personal disappointments, too, which you might have witnessed.
He only rarely posts here since a year or so.
@heslo, JJG and AlcoHoDL: Thanks for sharing your opinions, i was always attracted by Trezor, i don't know why i ever decided to get one. Seems like it's time to give them a chance.
December 22, 2024, 03:01:15 AM
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