Topic: We are all Hodlonaut - page 6. (Read 2563 times)

As usual from the big exchanges - all talk, no action, and nothing which might mean they have to spend some of their precious profits. Very disappointing all round.

I really don't think they would, in terms of the whitepaper case. When faced with the choice of paying expensive legal fees versus simply taking down the .pdf of the whitepaper they host, I would fully expect them to choose the latter without any fight whatsoever. Coinbase supported every major attack on bitcoin, from Bitcoin XT to Bitcoin Unlimited to Segwit2x. They won't spend money to defend bitcoin - they will only spend money to defend themselves and their own profits.

I think you're right, someone just posted that very old tweet as one of the comments on one of the recent hodlonaut tweets, apparently I missed the date. I looked at CZ's twitter and there are no posts in the last 10-15 days regarding the specific case, although his opinion about Faketosh was very clear in 2019, and I don't believe it has changed until today.

https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1116563034476957699


All I saw was that Dorsey's last tweet was exactly a retweet from hodlonaut asking for help, so we can say that he gave him public support today as well as 3 years ago. We can only guess where the biggest donation came from, and Dorsey is certainly one of the potential candidates who could have sent it.

https://twitter.com/jack

He can't prove anything. His goal is to harass.

There is no wallet which holds >1 million BTC. There are thousands of early coinbase addresses all holding 50 BTC. We do not know for sure which belong to Satoshi and which do not, as CSW discovered himself when he claimed that he owned a bunch of them which he thought were linked to Satoshi and therefore had a very low chance of being proved wrong, and the real owner immediately signed a message from them calling him a fraud.

Yeah, I saw McCormack retweeting a tweet from CZ back in 2019 talking about helping with legal fees: https://nitter.it/PeterMcCormack/status/1562362012017074176
I've not seen CZ mention Hodlonaut recently or donate anything though. Correct me if I'm wrong?

Speaking of, remember back in January when Jack Dorsey said he was setting up a fund for this reason too: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-January/019741.html
Any word from him about a donation to Hodlonaut?

I mean that type of messages are good enough to know that he is not. But why do we assume that we expect him to actually prove it? Or even have the fact that he doesn't even believe in it himself? Or doesn't want to convince you neither. The point is that we are talking about him don't we? I mean nobody talks about me, wish the world did talk about me as much as they did about him, but that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't.

So all in all, we are talking about something that shouldn't really be worrying us because his entire plan is to make sure that we are talking about him and that is why he is achieving what he really wants in the long run.

An interesting read from op.
What thing about Bitcoin is that many of us see it as no man's business. If we can make a living or get rich by it we move one and don't mind much about it. That is why Bitcoin is always being bashed like an orphan. He is always guilty of all crimes since it has no single face of its own. If everyone could stand up and speak up, maybe we could tell all the scammers, imposters and spreaders of lie against Bitcoin to shut up in courts. If we do it for sometimes, everyone might have to behave well towards Bitcoin.

My guess would be thar "misrepresenting bitcoin" is vague enough and can be twisted around so nobody loses, while the whitepaper case is clearly a losing scenario, since Coinbase will defend themselves if they have to.


Unfortunately people don't read much, people rely on news for getting informed and even learn something (they believe so). Unfortunately for many the advertising is more powerful than the hard facts because they don't get to find out about the hard facts. And on top of this comes the courts in various countries giving strange verdicts (see UK/Cobra case). And the cherry on top is that people were trained by the media to treat bitcoin and bitcoiners as scammers, hence the hard facts, even if it's math, get ignored.


Of course that one of their goals is to make people believe their (probably centralized) shitcoin deserves to get valued as highly as Bitcoin is. That would make them rich forever.

I can't believe that a delusional scumbag like fake-toshi (aka Craig Wright) is still among us. Such disgusting people usually run afoul of the wrong people at some point in their life and either screw themselves legally to the point of imprisonment or worse.

I think he has mental problems which is why he is so starved for attention to the point of publically making a fool out of himself.

I am definitely on the side of the poor guy he is suing. But there's no way in hell fake-toshi will win. In fact, I hope he gets what's coming to him for putting someone through such emotional distress.

Yes it is, and it is a support that should come from anybody who is at all passionate about bitcoin, ignoring CSW made him hold a stronger stance in the media and to people who are not informed about bitcoin, and the stronger he is, the better for him to easily spreak skewed information and misguide more people, that is why Greg said:
He is not trying to prove anything, he wants to stay relevant so his lies remain fresh and in the "front pages and clicks".

There seems to extensive support for this fight as yesterday my twitter feed was full of such tweets and there are some collection also being sold for the fund raise to help the legal filings of @hodlonaut for the case and it is really amazing to see such support from the people who understand the reality.

They are really concerned with their own profits and fighting for the cases on them for being anti privacy exchange to pay off the damages to the users.So don't think they will ever come across such open statement to defend themselves and carry on with their personal profit growth only.

That's the thing as he can't even sign a message from the address of genisis block or his PGP key which is why he tries this media shit to prove himself but in reality he has proven himself the clown he is who is making false claims only and can't prove anything and will never gain access to the funds he is looking for.The case he won is well known that how our judicial system can be financially manipulated but what after he runs out of funds and he can't prove anything? He will be behind the bars then.

He can try these shits like having paid person spreading rumour and trying to convince people in the shit they believe and we all know they are paid fake actors like him:



Source

So he is trying to prove himself what he is not and the only one basic thing he can't do already denies all the facts he made in front of people and the world will know his reality those are in his side will also move on.

That would have been seriously hilarious but I don't suppose this will happen, however, reading through the Reddit post, this section also caught my attention, "Government, the usual suspects" just my thoughts though, is the Faketoshi another form of them trying to bring Bitcoin down? plus I would have thought this is the simplest case to close in any of the courts since he has not been able to prove that he is Satoshi at any one time which I believe should be a point to prove.

such easy cases to win (for DCG (btc))
these cases are about exchanges representing BTC as bitcoin where Mr BVS(CSW) says his 2017 invention is bitcoin

response should be (in laymans terms*):
btc has been around since january 2009 (insert all evidence to prove)
the real bitcoin inventor of the 2009 code release actually allowed and gave permission for all things bitcoin to be published on bitcoin.org (including whitepaper)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3807
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2004

insert evidence that the real inventor called it BTC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28715
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25119

evidence that the real bitcoin inventor helped services that only used the bitcoin(BTC) network  back then and now (blockexplorer)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28533
(slushpool)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25119
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25207
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25207

add in all evidence of the real inventor name dropping alot of devs, and then looking at the network which all of them devs where helping to code
(insert all the other services and devs that worked on bitcoin 2009+ to show time line that BTC is bitcoin and BSV is not bitcoin)

..
and the nail in the coffin the evidence that BSV only came into existance post 2017

*obviously the DCG lawyers(of bitmex,kraken,coinbase) can snazz up the legalese wording and be more precise and concise.
and hopefully spin the court claim into a case where CSW now needs to prove that he actually was 'satoshi' via actual signature proof

I hope during the court proceedings Craig will be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is actually satoshi nakomoto otherwise he should be properly charged for perjury. How can he file a case under something that is completely false! this guy has no limit it seems. Hodlonaut will definitely have the full support of the bitcoin community including me, there is no room for the likes of faketoshi to soil the beautiful creation and legacy of a genius in our generation.      

That question can only be answered by him or maybe by those who make real moves from the shadows and use Faketoshi as their main tool in this dirty game. Obviously, the time when a lawsuit will be filed is carefully chosen, and it seems that the time of the bear market is judged to be the best because then there is the least focus on Bitcoin, unlike the bull run.


It would be really nice if they did something, although like some others, I don't really have high hopes that they as a company care too much about Bitcoin in the sense that they would defend it from Faketoshi. Of course, profit always comes first, even if it means they have to enter into a pact with the devil - but let's hope that reason will prevail this time.

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As far as I saw, CZ showed support for the @Hodlonaut, and even mentioned some kind of fund that could be established for cases like this, of course under the auspices of his company.

I've been wondering what Craig Wright intends to prove if he can't sign a message from the vintage wallet that holds the >1 million BTC. Craig should just go and rest his head, except he's trying to tell us he knows the whereabouts of the real Satoshi Nakamoto. My support is to Hodlonaut. I've followed some of Hodlonaut's tweets and of a truth he deserves our collective support at a time like this.

He's obviously on a smear campaign. I'm still surprised Binance hasn't been tagged yet. You know what they say about a drowning soul, he will cling even at a straw for survival.

True, but he's already going after the likes of Coinbase and Kraken for "misrepresenting bitcoin", as Lucius shared above. Wonder why he's not going after them for hosting the whitepaper like he did with Cobra.

But it shouldn't matter. The burden on proof is on him to sign a message, not on Satoshi to sign a message calling him a fraud. If you make a claim like "I am Satoshi" and provide absolutely no hard evidence to support it, then you can and should be ridiculed for such a ridiculous claim. It's Russell's teapot. You make the claim, you prove it. The fact that he has been allowed to get this far with absolutely no evidence or proof is shocking, and partly the fault of the all the crypto "media" which keep giving him the spotlight, repeating his nonsense, and not calling out his lies for what they are.

And on top of that, even although the onus is absolutely not on anyone else to disprove his unsupported claims, we still have screeds and screeds of evidence showing his lies for what they are, including not least a signed message from 145 addresses he claimed belonged to him calling him a liar and fraud. What more can we possibly need?

Perhaps they are each running one of the two BSV nodes which are actually at the chain tip. You read that right; a grand total of two nodes at the chain tip: https://nitter.it/hodlonaut/status/1562500694359539712

It looks more like an elaborate scam plot between them both, where one funds the scam and the other is the public face.
They are both heavily invested into Bitcoin SV, controlling a good amount of the total hashrate(with Calvin owning far more) last time I checked. And also, they have tried to discredit bitcoin and prove that Bitcoin SV is the actual bitcoin.

The end plot as I see, is CSW hoodwinks everyone to accept him to be Satoshi, or at least gets a legal document proving him to be so. From there, I would imagine an attempt to usurp the bitcoin network and establish Bitcoin SV, which they already have large percentage of.
This is my limited knowledge on the case, from reading some thread about it.

- Jay -

I wish Hodlonaut all the best. It's time someone wiped the floor with CSW. What that guy Calvin has to gain from all of it? Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel like CSW is losing money with every project. He has to fly to these court hearings, he pays lawyers, hotels, and he can't win anything. I'll consider him extremely lucky for not losing a case, like really losing, the way that he'd have to pay damages to the other party. His luck will eventually run out because that's all he's relying on. We all know he's not Satoshi but a master bullshitter.

I find it nice and reassuring to see the support Hodlonaut has got. I've seen today on Twitter some lines on the matter, but I didn't know the background; thanks OP for this topic.


If he would do this he would get - sooner or later - to fight somebody powerful enough and willing to defend himself.
If he would do this he would get even more websites hosting the whitepaper.


It would be interesting to see, but I don't have such high hopes...


That's correct. But we know that the chance for that to happen is slim. And this is also what Faketoshi is counting on...


Please don't pollute this thread with speculations already explained they're nonsense.

No, they can't.

Completely meaningless. Anyone can do this with some basic code, modest hardware, and a bit of time - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58303553

I want to see a signed message directly from the genesis block address or Satoshi's PGP key. Not signing from a sum of various keys, not having one person say that you definitely did it, not signing using your own laptop in a private room and not allowing anyone to independently verify the signature, or any other parlor tricks. If you have the key you can sign a message. Anything else is meaningless.

Or they can sign messages from the addresses of the list, then they can calculate Satoshi's block #0 private key.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-address-linked-to-bitcoin-genesis-address-5367558
One year ago OP posted a signature for the ECC sum of that list. Today we got the second signature.