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Quote from: Doan9269 on August 24, 2022, 03:05:41 AM

am very sure of Satoshi has his account on the forum here which has been inactive for some while, he should make publication about it and just make it active for once, he didn't need to bother with the signing of message through his address.

That's not a good statement to make for two reasons. First of all, the satoshi account on this forum is locked. No one can log in to it, even Satoshi themself, without theymos first unlocking it. Secondly, hacking in to a forum account is significantly easier than stealing a private key, and there are literally billions of online accounts which have been hacked in the past.

Signing a message from the genesis block address is necessary (but not sufficient) for Satoshi to begin to identify themself, if they so choose.

Quote from: Lucius on August 24, 2022, 05:33:46 AM

I just checked @hodlonaut twitter and it looks like Faketoshi has started attacking some famous CEX as well.

I'd mentioned before that a few exchanges host the whitepaper, and a quick test shows that those links are still available from a UK IP address. Wonder why CSW hasn't gone after them like he went after Cobra for hosting it?

It would certainly be good to see the likes of Coinbase step up here and actually support bitcoin for once, instead of always undermining it for the sake of their own profits. The more defeats CSW racks up then the better for their own legal teams, and it is good publicity for them to be seen to be supporting the community too.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

So what can we do to help?

One day I want to buy up the Bitcoin.org domain from Cobra so I can counter-sue Mr. Fake Wright to remove the injunction - exposing him for the impostor he is in the process.

Edit:

I read through the rest of the posts in this thread and observed that users who otherwise bicker with each other in other topic threads are coming together in solidarity for Hodlonaut. This is very pleasing to see, because it means everybody on this forum recognizes him for the fraud he is.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 23, 2022, 08:36:36 AM

I'm not 100% sure, but even if you think CSW has had no impact on any developers yet, it is easy to see how one or more developers could decide to protect themselves from his litigation by either reactively or preemptively cease their involvement with bitcoin. It is clear CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre, and therefore has the whole CoinGeek entity and its employees doing his bidding and repeating/publishing what they are told to.

It seems to me that Faketoshi is just a pawn in a much bigger game, and that someone else is making moves in an attempt to cause as much damage to Bitcoin as possible. Faketoshi has never seemed very intelligent to me, so sometimes I suspect that all this he is doing is not his idea. However, no matter how hard they try, they should be aware that by attacking any person who supports Bitcoin and the truth, they are attacking thousands or even millions of others who will not bow their heads and give up the fight.

Cobra perhaps best described how it will all end one day.

Quote from: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/issues/3698

I believe at some point the COPA case will prove Wright perjured himself in obtaining this judgement and order. Hopefully in the next few years he'll be brought to justice. We live in a stupid world where people can get locked away for years for relatively minor offences like drug possession, however people like Wright can just continue on abusing the courts with no real consequences. It sucks that me, hodlonaut, McCormack, and various Bitcoin developers have to deal with this nonsense, but truth will prevail in the end and liars like him can never succeed in trying to stop Bitcoin's success no matter how hard they try.

I just checked @hodlonaut twitter and it looks like Faketoshi has started attacking some famous CEX as well.

https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1562364849199484928

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 23, 2022, 08:36:36 AM

Quote from: franky1 on August 23, 2022, 05:04:29 AM

so if anyone wanted to argue CSW case about "moving 'bitcoin' to csw address. the solution is simple.. tell CSW to do it on the network he considers his true bitcoin..

He already did that: https://bitcoinassociation.net/bitcoin-association-for-bsv-tulip-trading-ltd-settlement-statement-and-faq/
Not much to be gained from stealing a million coins of a shitcoin which is worth 1/500th of what bitcoin is worth and has no real volume so couldn't be sold to anyone anyway. Which is why he needs to continue attacking real bitcoin.

Another thing Craig has failed to understand in this whole situation is that he is not the first to be claiming Satoshi and all the terms giving for him to prove that he couldn't, am very sure of Satoshi has his account on the forum here which has been inactive for some while, he should make publication about it and just make it active for once, he didn't need to bother with the signing of message through his address.

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Quote from: Lucius on August 23, 2022, 05:09:08 AM

I read that post, but I was interested in your opinion, considering that they all cited some completely different things as the reasons for their actions without publicly saying that the real reason is what Faketoshi is doing. However, some things are much clearer now, because Faketoshi knows exactly where to direct his attacks and they obviously bring results - only one more question remains, is he doing it alone or does he have some very powerful allies operating from the shadows?

I'm not 100% sure, but even if you think CSW has had no impact on any developers yet, it is easy to see how one or more developers could decide to protect themselves from his litigation by either reactively or preemptively cease their involvement with bitcoin. It is clear CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre, and therefore has the whole CoinGeek entity and its employees doing his bidding and repeating/publishing what they are told to.

The real Satoshi couldn't have gone this far relying on centralized system to defend himself, Craig will definitely regret some of his deals with CoinGeek later

Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 23, 2022, 03:34:20 PM

This is a sad scenario. I remember once asking on the forum why everyone not just ignore CSW and the other people impersonating Satoshi. I got my answer in that thread, on how they can spread narratives and with enough back up from the media control those narratives.

The shame here is that he might actually want to back off the case but the nuisance he had started has gone beyond his control, but instead of staying mute about it all he keeps further displaying how curious his stupidity is, there must be a media advantage he possibly aimed at getting in doing this.

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Quote from: Mauser on August 24, 2022, 01:41:43 AM

To all of us on the forum it seems like a no brainer that CSW is not Satoshi, but why is some media buying into this story even.

though "drama sales papers"(old fashion clickbait)
if mainstream media call him a conman outright. they will see a court order to appear in their mailbox..
so they have to be more careful and say things like 'self appointed' or 'self proclaimed'

they dont really say "the proven and certified and honorary guy...X"
but saying the opposite leads to them being thrown into the legal hunting ground of the court system

this is why we should not promote the idiot to be worthy of a mainstream media story. not only so that main stream media have to use those careful words that make some people then think he might/must be who he claims to be.. but also by trying to keep his name out of media means he cant play his fame game for profit

if we keep him out of the public view, then the public wont find him interesting enough to want to learn more about him nor want to buy any tickets to hear his story, due to his irrelevance that no one cares about.

however by trying to spread awareness, heightens his fame and ends up encouraging people to want to learn his story, which means buying tickets to his conventions or his future book/movie deals.

we should support those fighting against him, but doing it in a way that does not stir more media drama in csw favour

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

So what can we do to help? Well, CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre and CoinGeek. Hodlonaut, on the other hand, is being bankrolled by nobody. Got some spare sats kicking around? I can think of no worthier cause than the defense of bitcoin itself.

What a sad world we live in, where one man has to defend his own word in court against a conman. Shouldn't his words be protected by freedom of speech? First of all we know that Satoshi never wanted to go public with his identity and profit from bitcoins through publicity. To all of us on the forum it seems like a no brainer that CSW is not Satoshi, but why is some media buying into this story even. Maybe it's more about the controversy that they like to report on and this lawsuit helps makes it even a bigger story for the media. I am glad the community is coming together to help Hodlonaut in these difficult times, he is not fighting for himself but for the integrity of the whole crypto community. We should not be giving in to conman and scammers. Hopefully this lawsuit will not be going on for too long and the judge will realise that there is merit for it and through it out.

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Quote from: aoluain on August 23, 2022, 03:04:28 PM

Couldnt the Dev's quit working on the network and just start working on it "anonymously" ?

Another excellent comment from Greg on the Reddit thread has answered this question for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ws8wfd/starting_september_12th_in_oslo_norway_hodlonaut/il0gvgy/

Quote from: aoluain on August 23, 2022, 03:04:28 PM

Really veering off topic now but in the case of Cobra, how do you file a legal notice on someone who's identity is not known? how do you enforce it if that person ignores it?

You can still file charges against a pseudonymous individual, and you will win by default if they do not violate their privacy to defend themselves. Although you cannot enforce the rulings on that person, you can certainly enforce the rulings through third parties. In the Wright v Cobra case, this would have been in the form of all UK ISPs simply banning access to bitcoin.org. There is a statement made by Cobra after that judgement was passed available here, which answers this more thoroughly: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/issues/3698

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 23, 2022, 07:46:32 PM

I've not had time to read all comments yet, but Michael Saylor I believe donated 1 million

It's certainly suspected that he was in the individual behind that donation, but I don't think it has been confirmed. Given that that donation was made anonymously, then I'm not keen to go digging to try and expose the individual responsible. If they want to remain anonymous, then let them.

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Quote from: Z-tight on August 23, 2022, 04:45:32 PM

so this is more about staying RELEVANT than proving anything to anybody. CSW doesn't even want anybody to believe anything anymore,

think of it more so as, he was, is and always shall be irrelevant. and there was, is and always will be nothing to believe about him

he always has been, is and will be a nobody.

we should not be trying to push his name into crypto media outlets, nor should those crypto outlets be trying to push him into mainstream media outlets.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 23, 2022, 07:46:32 PM

but Michael Saylor I believe donated 1 million to his battle versus CSW(make me want to puke just typing his name).

Fixed that for you to ease your stomach
no one should speak his name, because he is irrelevant and not worth naming

the only moniker that is used is Compulsive Scammy Weasel
or any similar abbreviation that means the same thing

Convention Surfing Wannabe
Court S.l.a.p.ping Whore
Compost Slurping Worm
Copyright Stealing Wimp

you cannot defamate (defecate) his name if you never use his name
his reputation is based around his [self proclaimed profession title]+birth certified name, which no one mentions thus no reputational harm done

the smart plan is this
CSW is a pseudonym of a fraud, theif, criminal, scammer. trickster, idiot.. persona no one has or should meet
if anyone wants to name steal and want to associate themselves as being known as CSW so that they can try suing people for calling CSW a scammer, or[insert any insult]
they they are simply outting themselves as being a fraud/scammer by wanting to be known as being the scammer pseudonym CSW

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I was actually going to post about this, thanks for sharing. First off, I've made it no secret how much I appreciate GMaxwell. We are beyond lucky to have him here on this forum. He's right there with all the top cypherpunks (ie all the guys who are way more likely to be satoshi then Craig Wright could ever imagine being). So good on him for this.

If that scamming piece of shit were to actually win this lawsuit, man..I will lose all faith in humanity (not that I haven't already). This has probably been posted in this thread, I've not had time to read all comments yet, but Michael Saylor I believe donated 1 million to his battle versus Wright (make me want to puke just typing his name).

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

and now there is a court case to determine whether these tweets are lawful and whether Hodlonaut has to pay damages to CSW.

It is a funny world we live in, one in which an impersonator is suing for damages because reasonable people didn't take in his lies. This tweet and all the tweets and articles that expose the conman's lies should only be deemed unlawful and defamatory when he proves that he is Satoshi, which he cannot. Once he can prove to be Satoshi, whatever has been said against him becomes unlawful, but as he will never be able to prove that, they remain true and lawful to anybody with reason and understanding of what bitcoin is.

From the beginning i have comprehend your emphasis. But what i want to inform you, is that many people has made claims of been Satoshi Nakamoto in different occasions. No claim or evidence should make some of us to believe that this particular individual is a Satoshi Nakamoto.

Bruh...that was what i thought before this thread, but thanks to o_e_l_e_o and franky1, i now know better and have an understanding of what CSW's motives are, it is not about CSW claiming to be Satoshi anymore, he isn't, he knows he isn't and he feels many people are finding about his many lies, so this is more about staying RELEVANT than proving anything to anybody. CSW doesn't even want anybody to believe anything anymore, he may have run out of lies, so he tries to stay in the news, and silence people from calling him out online by suing those that do, wasting their money on useless lawsuits, and if we are sincere, not many people have that financial power to withstand a lawsuit with the conman, read all the thread you'll understand. This is a snippet from a reddit post by Greg in the op that sums it all up:

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he easily can drive trial costs into the millions or tens of millions of dollars. It creates a situation where the most rational course of action in court is arguably to just let him win as fast as possible in order to minimize cost, since you'd come out better that way then seeing it through and winning.

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Quote from: Z-tight on August 20, 2022, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

and now there is a court case to determine whether these tweets are lawful and whether Hodlonaut has to pay damages to CSW.

It is a funny world we live in, one in which an impersonator is suing for damages because reasonable people didn't take in his lies. This tweet and all the tweets and articles that expose the conman's lies should only be deemed unlawful and defamatory when he proves that he is Satoshi, which he cannot. Once he can prove to be Satoshi, whatever has been said against him becomes unlawful, but as he will never be able to prove that, they remain true and lawful to anybody with reason and understanding of what bitcoin is.

From the beginning i have comprehend your emphasis. But what i want to inform you, is that many people has made claims of been Satoshi Nakamoto in different occasions. No claim or evidence should make some of us to believe that this particular individual is a Satoshi Nakamoto.

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Quote from: aoluain on August 23, 2022, 03:04:28 PM

who's identity is not known? how do you enforce it if that person ignores it?

well by not identifying/turning up at court.. the case is deemed undefended and thus the claimant wins by default

there could have been many strategies to play eg transfer website ownership
and respond that the website is no longer in cobra's control. thus cobra cannot respond or be involved as the website is nothing to do with him.
thus causing CSW to have to re-file with the new owner..

and let CSW then try playing "catch a possum" trying to communicate with the next owner..
where the ownership changes hands faster than CSW can file claims..

but yea mentioning tactics after a verdict, becomes redundant for that case. but an idea for future cases

(this tactic is used alot in cases involving motor vehicles. where there is a risk of having to surrender a car.. people put their car in other peoples names.. or in most cases only ever use a hire car so the car is never the accused persons property to be seized)

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This is a sad scenario. I remember once asking on the forum why everyone not just ignore CSW and the other people impersonating Satoshi. I got my answer in that thread, on how they can spread narratives and with enough back up from the media control those narratives.
This situation further proves how I was wrong and people like CSW should not be ignored.

Would be following up the case and donating to Hodlonaut defense cause.

Quote from: CryptSafe on August 23, 2022, 03:04:35 PM

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There is no point mindlessly spamming around the forum. You are already a member ranked user and would need merits, not only activity to rank up. Try reading before you comment.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

So I just stumbled across this post from Greg Maxwell on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ws8wfd/starting_september_12th_in_oslo_norway_hodlonaut/ikxqxoo/. Everyone with even a passing interest in bitcoin (which includes you, if you are reading this forum) should read this post. In fact, I would read the whole thread, because Greg has made a number of excellent posts.

Next month a pseudonymous individual by the handle of Hodlonaut will go to court in Norway to defend himself against known fraudster CSW. For anyone out of the loop, here is an update on the case: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/timeline-of-hodlonaut-craig-wright-case. The very abridged version is that Holdonaut posted on Twitter what everyone knows - that CSW is not Satoshi - and now there is a court case to determine whether these tweets are lawful and whether Hodlonaut has to pay damages to CSW.

This case doesn't just affect Hodlonaut; it affects all of us. Hodlonaut is not just defending himself; he is defending us all, as explained in Greg's post I linked to above.

So what can we do to help? Well, CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre and CoinGeek. Hodlonaut, on the other hand, is being bankrolled by nobody. Got some spare sats kicking around? I can think of no worthier cause than the defense of bitcoin itself.

https://www.defendingbtc.com/
https://nitter.it/defendingBTC

#WeAreAllHodlonaut

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 23, 2022, 08:36:36 AM

Quote from: franky1 on August 23, 2022, 05:04:29 AM

so if anyone wanted to argue CSW case about "moving 'bitcoin' to csw address. the solution is simple.. tell CSW to do it on the network he considers his true bitcoin..

He already did that: https://bitcoinassociation.net/bitcoin-association-for-bsv-tulip-trading-ltd-settlement-statement-and-faq/
Not much to be gained from stealing a million coins of a shitcoin which is worth 1/500th of what bitcoin is worth and has no real volume so couldn't be sold to anyone anyway. Which is why he needs to continue attacking real bitcoin.

Quote from: Lucius on August 23, 2022, 05:09:08 AM

I read that post, but I was interested in your opinion, considering that they all cited some completely different things as the reasons for their actions without publicly saying that the real reason is what Faketoshi is doing. However, some things are much clearer now, because Faketoshi knows exactly where to direct his attacks and they obviously bring results - only one more question remains, is he doing it alone or does he have some very powerful allies operating from the shadows?

I'm not 100% sure, but even if you think CSW has had no impact on any developers yet, it is easy to see how one or more developers could decide to protect themselves from his litigation by either reactively or preemptively cease their involvement with bitcoin. It is clear CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre, and therefore has the whole CoinGeek entity and its employees doing his bidding and repeating/publishing what they are told to.

TBH thats worrying, people ^{generally speaking} should be more worried about this
scenario rather than any of the other array of Bitcoin worries which seem to be discussed on
the forum.

Couldnt the Dev's quit working on the network and just start working on it "anonymously" ?

Really veering off topic now but in the case of Cobra, how do you file a legal notice on someone
who's identity is not known? how do you enforce it if that person ignores it?

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Quote from: franky1 on August 23, 2022, 05:04:29 AM

so if anyone wanted to argue CSW case about "moving 'bitcoin' to csw address. the solution is simple.. tell CSW to do it on the network he considers his true bitcoin..

He already did that: https://bitcoinassociation.net/bitcoin-association-for-bsv-tulip-trading-ltd-settlement-statement-and-faq/
Not much to be gained from stealing a million coins of a shitcoin which is worth 1/500th of what bitcoin is worth and has no real volume so couldn't be sold to anyone anyway. Which is why he needs to continue attacking real bitcoin.

Quote from: Lucius on August 23, 2022, 05:09:08 AM

I read that post, but I was interested in your opinion, considering that they all cited some completely different things as the reasons for their actions without publicly saying that the real reason is what Faketoshi is doing. However, some things are much clearer now, because Faketoshi knows exactly where to direct his attacks and they obviously bring results - only one more question remains, is he doing it alone or does he have some very powerful allies operating from the shadows?

I'm not 100% sure, but even if you think CSW has had no impact on any developers yet, it is easy to see how one or more developers could decide to protect themselves from his litigation by either reactively or preemptively cease their involvement with bitcoin. It is clear CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre, and therefore has the whole CoinGeek entity and its employees doing his bidding and repeating/publishing what they are told to.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 22, 2022, 01:56:25 PM

Quote from: Lucius on August 22, 2022, 08:38:43 AM

Do you think that Faketoshi with its actions is slowly forcing developers to move away from Bitcoin as it is the case with the recent announcement of Wladimir van der Laan and some other famous names (John Newbery, Samuel Dobson, Jonas Schnelli) who left in the last 1.5 years?

Have another read of the post by Greg Maxwell I linked to in the OP of this thread. I trust his judgement and statements on issues such as these, and here is what he has to say on the matter:

I read that post, but I was interested in your opinion, considering that they all cited some completely different things as the reasons for their actions without publicly saying that the real reason is what Faketoshi is doing. However, some things are much clearer now, because Faketoshi knows exactly where to direct his attacks and they obviously bring results - only one more question remains, is he doing it alone or does he have some very powerful allies operating from the shadows?

I remembered my old Twitter account and decided to provide support that way, and I got a reply from @hodlonaut - and I also linked this thread to him so he knows that he has support from the members of this forum.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

So what can we do to help? Well, CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre and CoinGeek. Hodlonaut, on the other hand, is being bankrolled by nobody. Got some spare sats kicking around? I can think of no worthier cause than the defense of bitcoin itself.

OpenSats Legal Defense Fund so far raised over 54 Bitcoins and $35k from donations, but I think more important is big support he received from Bitcoin community.
I can't believe this Faketoshi circus clown scammer has nothing better to do in his life than to chase people who post something against him in twitter, it's so pathetic Roll Eyes

He even offered $5000 reward witch hunt for anyone who reveals real identity of Hodlonaut...

if CSW altcoin was anygood. he would settle and be happy making money from it.. but he knows its not profitable and so he has to make money else where to pay off his debts
CSW owes alot of people and tax offices multiple hundred of millions(nearly $150m just to the australian tax office alone, due to scamming them of R&D grants/rebates)

....
one note i find funny. is the case where he tried to get core devs to backdoor btc so he can rewrite the blockchain to move UXTO value to his address..
its funny because CSW declared BSV as bitcoin. and as such CSW has control of BSV so CSW can write a knew implementation for BSV to move the BSV utxo's to his address..
so if anyone wanted to argue CSW case about "moving 'bitcoin' to csw address. the solution is simple.. tell CSW to do it on the network he considers his true bitcoin..
he would have to either back down and declare his network dead/not bitcoin, to remain able to try fighting against the btc network.
or back down and just destroy his own network by doing the backdoor on his network

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 20, 2022, 02:11:30 PM

So what can we do to help? Well, CSW is being bankrolled by Calvin Ayre and CoinGeek. Hodlonaut, on the other hand, is being bankrolled by nobody. Got some spare sats kicking around? I can think of no worthier cause than the defense of bitcoin itself.

OpenSats Legal Defense Fund so far raised over 54 Bitcoins and $35k from donations, but I think more important is big support he received from Bitcoin community.
I can't believe this Faketoshi circus clown scammer has nothing better to do in his life than to chase people who post something against him in twitter, it's so pathetic Roll Eyes

He even offered $5000 reward witch hunt for anyone who reveals real identity of Hodlonaut...

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 22, 2022, 01:56:25 PM

That's the thing though - CSW never had any arguments in his favor (no good or even logical ones, at least).

thats his game though
he is not making claims that can come to logical conclusions. as that just results in quick judgements.
its the tactic of SLAPP..
the point is not to win or lose. the point is to raise a claim. get the defendant to try to defend against a pointless point. then ask to adjust the claim and repeat.

he wants those fighting against csw to need to pay for many hours of meetings with lawyers to add more costs per response. whilst all CSW has to do is without any cost, just think up a new argument to push as a new response to keep the case plodding along

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