Topic: We are all Hodlonaut - page 8. (Read 2549 times)

Have another read of the post by Greg Maxwell I linked to in the OP of this thread. I trust his judgement and statements on issues such as these, and here is what he has to say on the matter:

That's the thing though - CSW never had any arguments in his favor (no good or even logical ones, at least). But that hasn't stopped him harassing and continuing to harass a variety of bitcoin developers and other members of the community. This doesn't seem to be a fight which will be won on logic, since logically as soon as hundreds of addresses which CSW claimed were his signed a message calling him out, the whole thing should have been over.

you are correct. CSW would have gone through an appeals process. as you can see by the hodlonaut case, where things were getting dismissed, CSW filed an appeal to stop the dismissal. which is why the hodlonaut cases have been going on for 3years now.

so in the previous case of mcCormack the judge done the fair thing. after all that case was a debate over a simple tweet session with a judgement verdict resulting in no change to anything tangible in the real world of validating anything significant.. and instead saying yep CSW got hurt, but only to the amount of pain that a toddler would feel if someone shouted at a toddler, that can be remedied with a lollipop

so the judge ended the case and gave CSW what amounts to a lollipop to go home and suck on..

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as for those wanting to know if real undeniable proof was shown privately to calvyn ayres as to CSW being who he claims to be..
well. calvyn did get real true undeniable proof(im being sarcastic)
https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1561002525699874816
so there we have it CSW provided proof. by letting calvyn talk to CSW mom

If he's still around he knows Craig cannot prove anything and is like that guy in a discussion who knows he's running out of arguments so he starts to scream at you.
I'd argue that Satoshi coming back to shut down Craig would, in the big scheme of things, allow himself to be the victim of Craig's trolling.

A king doesn't have to come down from his castle to address every single peasant who calls him a coward or says that the real king is John the swineherd.

Don't wrestle with a pig...

I wish Judge ruled against Craig there. He probably wanted to end the case for good and knew that if he allows Craig to win on paper there won't be an appeal. Now faketoshi thinks he stands a chance against all others.


If he ever takes you to court you'll get more than a candy bar in donations

looking at his comments and stuff of the early years.
he did not see it as a get rich scheme for himself. he did not scream excitement about price, he did not show interest in announcing he had X coins

instead he was talking about if coins get lost it just means the rest of the coins other people have get more rare for everyone else

also when updating code. usually means copy/pasting over old files with the new updates. meaning old wallet files just get overwritten. so its more plausible that he just didnt keep the keys from the start because he didnt want to be a hoarder/investor. he just wanted the software to do its job

rather then thinking he is dead, its much more plausible that he just 'burned' his keys every time he done a software update by not backing up his keys

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one thing to note
the actual satoshi had coins in 50btc amounts per address over LOTS, and i mean lots of addresses of 50btc. which can be seen from tracing the nonce/extranonce sequences
https://blog.bitmex.com/satoshis-1-million-bitcoin/

however. CSW list of addresses. were random addresses of large amount of cumulative coins random people/businesses put into the their same addresses(address re-use). whereby CSW only had to list a few hundred to display a  1m coin total

meaning CSW is not even using the list that would be associated with satoshi in the first place, but instead a bunch of random other peoples addresses.
when someone (well a few people/businesses) wrote that CSW is a fake using signed messages from csw list and its not csw coins that csw pretended were his. they were the addresses of random people/businesses.. where random people signed them messages, not satoshi

I would guess that him being dead seems like a more likely situation. I am not saying that he is dead, but him losing all his keys and access to genesis versus him being dead comparison has the dead option a lot more likely. I personally believe it would be even smarter if he just knowingly destroyed all access, he has over him losing it. At the end of the day, we were doing something that is a bit scarier when we are talking about someone we have no idea who it is.

This is why I believe that we shouldn't be really be making speculations on someone that we do not even know about, is it a he, is it a she, is it a university group, is it a company, is it a government? We have no clue.

Yes, you are right OP, because some of the documents of the CSW are not the real Satoshi documents, because the real document is with the real Satoshi, which he has the details to prove to court that he is the founder of Bitcoin with the envidence of his Bitcointalk  user account Satoshi. Based on his speech few days ago, showed that CSW has no good envidence to prove to court that he is the real Satoshi, because many people knew him very one in the community as a businessman that has no idea on digital currency in the environment.

Do you think that Faketoshi with its actions is slowly forcing developers to move away from Bitcoin as it is the case with the recent announcement of Wladimir van der Laan and some other famous names (John Newbery, Samuel Dobson, Jonas Schnelli) who left in the last 1.5 years?

I sincerely doubt that even irrefutable evidence from Satoshi himself would stop Faketoshi from continuing to push his lies, because if he stops, he will only confirm that he lied all along - so I really wonder who all his victims will be - if he will start looking for a way to sue some members of this forum because we call him Faketoshi?

I am ready for a settlement in that case, because why go to trial if I can satisfy his mental pain in advance with one chocolate bar (McCormack - £1 = 1 candy bar)

I don't disagree, but there are far bigger issues than early coins being confirmed as not lost, such as CSW endlessly harassing every developer until no one wants to work on bitcoin anymore. Any coin which is not provably lost should not be assume to be lost. If Satoshi is still around and has the power to end this nonsense, then he should.

Don't forget that the judge very explicitly called him a liar multiple times, and noted that he had put forward a deliberately false case.

CSW's ego got satisfied when he won the last case against McCormack but we could argue that he did not really win. The court did not focus on whether he is or isn't Satoshi but ruled that calling him a moron was defamatory. Craig wanted to prove the world that he is Satoshi and calling him out is going to mean losing in court but this last case shows that you can and should call him out just do it in a more polite way.

If I say that Wright doesn't have access to genesis coins and can't prove that he is Satoshi, therefore he most likely is making it up for fame is a completely honest opinion from someone unbiased who has nothing against Wright, but everything against frauds and liars

I hope Hodlonaut wins this one.

he doesnt use the cases to prove legally and with finality that he is satoshi.. because he cannot..
.. obviously he is not.. so he cant.

however if he gets a £1 award in his favour for a case where its said that someone did damage his reputation. even if the judge wants nothing to do with proving if he is or not satoshi..
CSW will obvious tell his duped idiot investors outside of court that the "win" is proof. so that they are duped more into funding his next game

even if the law/legal system never made a judgement about "who is satoshi"

take the case about the tulip trust company(W&K) ownership dispute
it was not about "who is satoshi". nor was it about validating that the tulip trust had any real assets/collateral.

yep the judge made it clear he was not judging to prove that the company had assets.
yep the judge made it clear the case was not about "who is satoshi"

it was purely a company ownership dispute between 2 company owners(well the relative of a deceased co-owner vs CSW)

but CSW used that case to dupe his investors to say that it was proof of who is satoshi and proof that the tulip trust had real collateral..

@o_e_l_e_o @Franky1 - hmmm I see

but the case may not be directly about proving CSW is or isnt Satoshi
but the way I see it is that it could very well come down to that. If CSW issued a legal notice and
filed a complaint about Hodlonaut it wasnt because he was called a toilet scrubber.

Being called a toilet scrubber would be easy to prove was wrong, being called a fake would also
have to be proven incorrect.

* assuming this was the basis behind Hodlonaut's tweets

While one party might look to stay away from the whole Satoshi topic, the other will be looking
to steer the proceedings towards that very issue. IDK thats how I see it, maybe its wishful
thinking on my part.

It is probably not Satoshi, although he too was only human who could make mistakes and lost access to data including the genesis block and everything relevant from the earliest period. In addition, there is also the option that signing such a message in order to prove that Faketoshi is fake would do more harm than good, considering that it would not only confirm that Satoshi is alive, but also that he still has control over all the Bitcoins that he mined - and some fear that more than anything else.

I hope that with all the donations, Hodlonaut will be able to find a very good and experienced lawyer who will be able to free him from all guilt and once again show what a miserable scumbag Faketoshi is.

CSW court claims are not about proving the "i amd satoshi" thing
its all about him using and abusing the court system to claim that he had his feelings feelings hurt and that these public messages by people have ruined his reputation..

he knows he cant win the reputation. as that was tarnished 6 years ago by other people. so new people now tweeting and retweeting old news is not causing any new damage

however when new people do say bad things he can claim that these new attacks hurt him. eg claim they trigger depression or anxiety or blah blah

but thats not what his agenda is. he is not genuinely trying to get compensation from genuine ill feelings. he is trying to use and abuse the court system for fame and for building up an action plot movie story of drama and suspense and intrigue.

whilst also trying to cause drama to irritate other for profit, ofcourse

I don't think it was Satoshi who signed this message; rather just another early miner. If Satoshi is still around and wanted to end this CSW nonsense, they could simply sign a message from the genesis block address and/or their PGP key stating that they are not CSW. It doesn't make sense to me that they would risk revealing themselves by publishing a message, but not include the genesis block address.

This is not accurate. This upcoming Hodlonaut case and the previous McCormack case were only to determine whether CSW suffered damages from the statements made, and not to try to prove that he is Satoshi. CSW is very careful in this regard - he knows he would never win such a case, because he does not have the means to prove anything.

Donation made!

This is indeed a another defense of Bitcoin and everyone who calls out CSW as a fake because
he is libel to come after all of us.

See I dont get it, actually none of us gets it, how is CSW still doing what he is doing?

He is calling out Hodlonaut for essentially stating he is a fake. So in court CSW has AGAIN
to try and prove he IS Satoshi. He hasnt been able to before and according to the
Peter McCormack case he wasnt able to there either, Lets hope he gets his ass handed
to him again!

things like that should be brought up
as well as the fact that since 2015-6 thousands upon thousands of people were calling CSW a scammer meaning its now big wide public knowledge.

so trying to blame hodlonaut/ mcCormack as people that hurt CSW/damaged CSW rep.. is a moot point because its public knowledge that he is a scammer and thus the damage is already done many years before

but.. CSW does not care about any of that. no matter what disagreements can be fought, CSW just asks for an adjustment to the claim to progress the claim for another month with a new argument and so on. and that is his game. he does not care about the winning.. he cares about the poking and prolonging the irritation on the other side hoping they give in..

I'd kill (figuratively) for that outcome. Of all the possible event/outcome that would finally end CSW's fuckery, this would literally be the most amusing one — totally destroying all his remaining(and already-broken) reputation.

It's amazing how persistent Faketoshi is in his intentions not only to prove that he is Satoshi, but also to attack anyone who claims otherwise. However, I am glad that individuals are opposing it, and even in this case in court, which is not easy for many of us, considering that our privacy and security are very important to us. I'm sure Faketoshi knows this very well and wants to make the most of it, as was the case with the Bitcoin whitepaper and the lawsuit against @Cøbra that Faketoshi got because @Cøbra didn't show up in court.


I share your opinion regarding those addresses, which I mentioned several times in my posts, but even the members of this forum do not pay much attention to it. I personally suspected that Satoshi did it, although it could be any of the early stage miners, but still someone who was very likely very attached to the project, and is still willing to defend it.

#WeAreAllHodlonaut

As amazing and hilarious as it would be for Satoshi to donate to Hodlonaut, the signed message thing already happened. CSW provided in a previous court case (under oath no less) a list of bitcoin address which he claimed belonged to him. Most of these address were very early bitcoin addresses which had been inactive for years and which many people thought belonged to Satoshi. Very shortly after he provided this list, a signed message from 145 of those addresses containing a combined 7,250 BTC was published calling CSW "a liar and a fraud". Here's a thread about it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/craig-steven-wright-is-a-liar-and-a-fraud-tulip-trust-addresses-signed-message-5250960.

I find it incredible that this is not brought up more, particularly in subsequent court cases. His lies were definitively proven by a method which cannot be faked and anyone can verify. And yet here we are.

Thanks for the post. It feels like a familiar name from some years ago, and I'll go through and take the time to read this -- mind boggling for me how someone like CSW and co have somehow embroiled themselves in litigation with so many people. I just hope spirit of law, and common sense, prevails for Hodlonaut, as it has in the past against CW.