Topic: We are all Hodlonaut - page 2. (Read 2549 times)

Seconded. Could have cleared up issues like this^[1]:


[1] https://nitter.it/tim_bitcoin/status/1570262124743766016#m

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Court Proceedings have resumed with hearing witnesses and this particular one caught my eye:
Bitcoin as: A system which appeals to banks and acts as a middle man between banking institutions. 

- Jay -

In the war of words that is court cases, the judge should have cryptocurrency specialists brought around to testify the true nature of (technical) stuff in their rumors like sign message.

Yea I found all the witnesses on hodlonaut's side really interesting, knowledgeable, educated
and to the point ^{thats the way it cane across on Norberts commentry}

I found CSW's side frustrating, and vague. How can anyone verify anything that they talked
about today, pure nonsense and all smoke and mirrors. I lost interest pretty much after the break

the only truthful thing i read today.. from the guys of CSW "witnesses"
how matthews says he CSW and ayres all met up in 2015 to start to actually do something related to bitcoin..
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all the crap about the "drafts" white papers they "might" remember. "alleged" to have seen was the lies

none of them seen him do coding, mining, trading or anything in 2008-2014 related to bitcoin

(the 2015 is where CSW started his crypto scam of seeking investors to pay off his ATO debt, and first starts telling people he was involved in bitcoin. )

Apparently, not for the "real", "legit" Satoshi. Next up: Move BSV without a signature, just because the judges say so. Lol.

Some don't want to spend a personal space for it, that's all. And I believe it helps very little to advertise Hodlonaut when about half of the Bitcoin Twitter already does.

Maybe I find it likely.

I don't think that my actions can change much in the specific case, but if I helped some people find out that this trial exists and in what way they can contribute, I think I helped. In addition, you don't want to say that advertising on this forum is worth nothing and that all those who pay forum members for their signatures, avatars and personal texts are wasting money?

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OT - Your personal text "The winter is coming" is certainly strange to me, because it is something that Russian trolls on the forum persistently imply in the sense that Europeans will freeze next winter. I know you're not one of them, so don't get me wrong.

mainly calvyn ayres
but pretty much these guys
https://bitcoinassociation.net/team/
 and a few others since then where CSW has been spinning up new companies to then grab in more investors

Wow, what a language. This is borderline uncivilized and no less than more proof of discrepancy between his and satoshi's identity.

Also hilarious why he doesn't 'want it to be over quickly'.. Almost / barely slipped (that keeping the whole situation in 'limbo' is required for him to buy time & fool more people).

Do you know these situations when reality is funnier than actual comedy? This is it!

Done.

Here it is: https://youtu.be/_zkweFcpQMs?t=13936
He is essentially saying that as soon as he signs a message, that no one will go to he effort of putting together 100 witnesses who will all attest to him being Satoshi. Because for some reason a handful of easily fooled or easily bought people is more reliable in his mind than cryptographic proof.

As a bonus, here is my favorite snippet from the video: https://youtu.be/_zkweFcpQMs?t=11926
He doesn't want keys to be required to "access the blockchain", but rather wants judges and law enforcement to be able to do this. Well, that certainly sounds like Satoshi to me. As we all know, the first line of the Whitepaper clearly states "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another with the approval of judges and law enforcement."

Edit: Actually, here is my favorite snippet: https://youtu.be/_zkweFcpQMs?t=10087
I wrote this when I was drunk.
You wrote this?
Yes, when I was drunk.
Because it says it was written by Kleiman.
.....silence.

Lol.

I think we all know the answer to that one.

Will be interesting to see what today brings. From bitnorbert's tweets, Hodlonaut's team has already started out strong with video evidence of previous CSW lies.

Day 4 has kick-started with video evidence as well as witnesses, first of which is Torbjørn Bull Jenssen, CEO of Arcane Crypto.
He gives his opinion that CSW is unlikely to be Satoshi:

Starting off to be another positive day for Hodlonaut, more like yesterday was. And there was a lot to show of the character of CSW in those videos^[1] shown.

[1] https://piped.mha.fi/watch?v=0thnCDgRJfM


- Jay -

I haven't seen the video footage yet; I just found this statement / quote hilarious.
Apparently he's claiming that it's easier to go in court, because the other solution (signing a message) would require 100 witnesses.
Why not just sign a message and publish it for anyone to verify?

Even with keys, it's not guaranteed, but it is required at the very least.
I'd personally say that if real satoshi actually lost his keys or something, and were to come back, trying to convince everyone of his identity, he'd just be shit out of luck.
He would need to not only sign something publicly, but also add more factors like knowledge about certain emails that only he can know and stuff like that.

Who exactly is paying CSW? The Bitcoin SV folks?

I didn't see the part where he says he needs 100 people to do a cryptographic signature in the video I watched, but maybe that was him saying he's already done it in front of Gavin (which was proven to be incorrect) so how many more people are needed?

The judge doesn't seem to be buying it.  I think, like the rest of us, if he's satoshi he's going to have to prove it with the keys. 

Not your keys, not your coins seems almost directed at CSW at this point.

LOL; CSW, the first person who requires 100 people to do a cryptographic signature!
I thought you just need the private key and an unambiguous cleartext message to be signed..

Frustrating, I only managed to follow for about an hour this morning, the day job is
getting in the way again. trying to catch up.

Seems like the Judge has a bit of knowledge and shows she can smell something is not right.

I wanted to post this below which everybody should question. I really hope the court can
see through all this as easy as we all can. He is contracting himself below.

Or just we don't believe that an avatar with a linked personal text can actually help the situation? Come on, you can't seriously assert that.

Isn't this crap realized by the court? I'm a little late to the conversation, and haven't pay much attention. Can he claim identity ownership without providing the cryptographic proof, according to the law? Have the Hodlonaut's lawyers provided proof that he's a liar already (or plan to)? That list of signed messages should be sufficient proof.

LOL. We the peanut gallery should raise a few voices and point out that we will happily witness his [non-]signing of a message. We'd easily get a hundred pairs of eyeballs watching him.

I find that answer very telling.  The only conceivable reason an identity thief would want witnesses in the room with them is if they're planing to perform some sleight-of-hand in order to make a fake signed message appear real.  Simply publishing a signed message for anyone to validate doesn't give him any opportunity to manipulate his audience. 

It would indeed be very time consuming to find some gullible marks who would still fall for his schemes.  He's not lying about that.   

heres the thing, CSW doesnt care. about what he says or does, or anything. he is just a ass on the seat just there to let the press get some action

win or lose is meaningless to him. proof or no proof is meaningless to him

he doesnt even care if he has 1 lawyer or 20 lawyers. or if he has to travel to places or go to court on a weekly schedule

because.. (big picture)
he is not paying for this out of his pocket. his fanbase are. the people he conned are paying the lawyers and CSW's hotel bill.
he made fake promises that they will get returns on their donations to his games in the form of his stories he can sell

to him, he he is just on vacation via someone elses expense, drumming up his fame to garner more people into paying for his lifestyle

for him its a media event to get his name in print more.
for him its him trying to say things to convince his fans that they need to pay him more.
for him he is just trying to annoy everyone outside his fanbase hoping they too will just pay him to go away.

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we see these game sin other silly communities
(flat-earth /climate denier /covid denier)

there are different groups of people
1. the ex doctor/ex employee/someone with notoriety. doing convention speaking tours saying what ever script they are paid to say.
they dont care if they say one thing to one person and the opposite to the other. because they are getting paid 2 times to say 2 things and all they care about is the payment

2. the the conspiracy nuts
these people are willing to pay to have some person of notoriety/accredication/reputation to echo chamber the conspiracy nutters mindset. it does not matter the topic if a nutter has a thought he would pay to hear someone else agree with him.

3. the sucker/loyalists
these people want to suck up and show loyalty. they donate or pay in or use their own labour as payment to join the plot in hope that they can get returns on their money/time they put into it.

4. the oppertunists
these are people that have been asked to be involved and think its a good deal. get paid to go on vacation for a week meet someone sign some NDA and say something and get paid for those words. they dont care about the aftermath of how those words are then used, they just accepted the free holiday and payment for their words

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the big picture game of CSW is he doesnt care about "proving satoshi". his gravy train wont earn anything from that. his income is about stirring the drama to get more people to just pay him for just turning up and saying "something". it doesnt matter what has to be said. whether its saying he is satoshi, whether its saying he knew satoshi, whether its denying it. whether its counter arguing previous statements. each event is a payday.
he can say he is male on monday, get paid. female on tuesday, get paid. argue monday didnt happen get paid. argue that there are no genders on thursday and then argue there are only 2 genders on friday. he does not care about the conversation or words said each day he just cares about getting 5 payments for 5 things

KEEP THIS IN MIND when trying to understand CSW.
you dont need to understand why he says things. because he does not care what he says

Mind editing this into the OP? It could save some a few minutes searching through the pages for where it was posted when they want to get back to it at a later time.

That is a very crap answer, shows little thought or regard for the audience, particularly the bitcoin audience.
Even with the benefit of the doubt, is getting 100 witnesses, less time consuming than multiple trials or less expensive than paying the bill of multiple lawyers.

- Jay -

The fact that Hodlonaut is getting so much support (not just financial) surely hurts Faketoshi the most. Although I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed with some of the members of our forum who cleverly avoid this thread, and apart from you who started this discussion and another member who put the address for donations in the personal text, I did not see a single avatar or anything similar in support Hodlonaut. It seems that many are afraid that they too could find themselves in court face to face with Faketoshi and his 9 lawyers.


That GA, as I already noticed, is someone whom Faketoshi will persistently mention, and I wonder again why the hodlonaut lawyer team did not call him as a witness - because if I'm not mistaken, at one point he changed his mind about CW being Satoshi. Instead of helping Bitcoin, he is literally dealing with shitcoins on his Twitter...


It reminds me of the current situation with the war, because when you have no other arguments, you mention Hitler and the Nazis and the eternal struggle between good and evil. Maybe Faketoshi wants to say that he is only fighting against evil, no matter how crazy that sounds from the perspective of anyone who knows what this is about.