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I guess the only way we can ever know the answers to your questions is if you (or someone else) were to ask him for an explanation.

From experience it is quite clear when most shady behaviour is called out and questioned there might be some resistance as the culprit tries to save associated accounts from being tagged but eventually they give up on those accounts and start focusing on the other accounts they have farmed for signature campaigns or nefarious purposes.

Quote from: Frankolala on June 01, 2023, 12:48:51 PM

It sucks to see that some members of this forum like shan85 is dishonest and went this far to switch signatures just to get double pay. I don't know what motivated him to come up with such dubious act. Does he really thinks that he can get double pay without anyone noticing this for a very long time or he decided to try his luck without thinking of the consequences of his action.

This is my first time to hear of this and I have never thought that one can come up with this. I believe anywhere he is now,he will learn to be honest because he would have learnt his lesson.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 25, 2023, 07:19:42 AM

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Quote from: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 03:41:00 PM

It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account.

Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that.

Maybe no one will catch him doing this kind of switching, but there are a lot of members here who have a sharp eye and might be looking for this kind cheating. And yeah, it's bad for him, he thought that he can get away from it. And whatever reasons he might give, we are not going to buy it because what he did is intentional. This might not be the case though, maybe my memory is blurry, but doing 2017, there has been such cases as well. Nevertheless, the same ending, they were caught and their account tag and can't no longer join any signature campaigns.

It sucks to see that some members of this forum like shan85 is dishonest and went this far to switch signatures just to get double pay. I don't know what motivated him to come up with such dubious act. Does he really thinks that he can get double pay without anyone noticing this for a very long time or he decided to try his luck without thinking of the consequences of his action.

This is my first time to hear of this and I have never thought that one can come up with this. I believe anywhere he is now,he will learn to be honest because he would have learnt his lesson.

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Quote from: FatFork on May 30, 2023, 06:52:56 AM

Cantsay already mentioned, there was a similar case involving a member named nhaila last year

Thank you for highlighting it. Is it safe to conclude as far as is known, these two are the only two known cases of this type?

Quote from: FatFork on May 30, 2023, 06:52:56 AM

It might slip under the radar for a week or two (unless the manager catches on earlier), but I highly doubt it can remain unnoticed for an extended period. The forum has a vigilant community with many observant members. Wink

The cheater in this case benefited from the fact that the spreadsheet for a particular campaign was kept hidden from the public.

Even if it slips under the radar it seems as though the vigilance of members (as you aptly refer to it) managed to spot it. At least he did not manage to carry on the duplicitous conduct for a considerable length of time and instead was caught out quite early on.

Now he will have to create or buy another account and then go through the process of trying to rank up before being considered for joining signature campaigns. In the end he must be wondering whether it was worth it in the end for short term gain.

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 30, 2023, 06:25:40 AM

Has anything like this ever happened before?

Cantsay already mentioned, there was a similar case involving a member named nhaila last year:

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Case 003: Signature Cheater.
Details: nhaila is guilty of swapping between two signature campaigns and recieving reward weekly with the same posts. The two projects involved are;

Quote from: JollyGood on May 30, 2023, 06:25:40 AM

What are the chances it is already happening but has gone unnoticed by the majority of members here?

It might slip under the radar for a week or two (unless the manager catches on earlier), but I highly doubt it can remain unnoticed for an extended period. The forum has a vigilant community with many observant members. Wink

The cheater in this case benefited from the fact that the spreadsheet for a particular campaign was kept hidden from the public.

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This is also the first time I have heard about anything like this happening. Wearing a signature to get paid from one campaign and then to swap it with another to get paid from a second one. Has anything like this ever happened before?

What are the chances it is already happening but has gone unnoticed by the majority of members here?

Quote from: aioc on May 16, 2023, 03:57:56 PM

This is the first time I've seen a member wearing a double signature, it's unethical and this is abuse good that he is caught this early with so many participants attended by bounty managers it's hard to catch this type of person it's good that one of the members caught him.
Now we should be aware of this type of cheater, and we as members should help our managers by checking some of the participants if he is swapping signatures.

Supported both flags.

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Quote from: rby on May 29, 2023, 07:57:26 PM

Helena and LoyceV were right!
The user who bursted the double signature scammer, I merited that post on Duelbits thread and also left s/he a positive feedback.
As Royse777 made an update on BetterCallRaul thread, I discovered that someone I barely gave a +ve feedback for bursting a scammer is accused of using AI to make posts.
I just quickly changed the +ve feedback to neutral while capturing the AI incident.

When anyone caught any scam then the user cant be trusted especially should not give any positive trust it can be turned into the opposite. It is good luck for us as the user has not trader any reversible payment and/or not taken any loan. If s/he did that then it could be another loan.

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I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback

I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case.

I think I disagree with you on this;

I'm with Helena on this one: catching a cheater doesn't mean the user can be trusted. There was no amount risked.

Helena and LoyceV were right!
The user who bursted the double signature scammer, I merited that post on Duelbits thread and also left s/he a positive feedback.
As Royse777 made an update on BetterCallRaul thread, I discovered that someone I barely gave a +ve feedback for bursting a scammer is accused of using AI to make posts.
I just quickly changed the +ve feedback to neutral while capturing the AI incident.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 25, 2023, 09:05:24 AM

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no one has thought of this kind of cheating until somebody thought of this kind of scheme.

Actually this is the second case I have seen since I became a member of this forum, the first was carried out by a user named nhaila. He was caught right in the act same date, same day the only difference was the time. You can see the post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59887077

As for the Shan85 not paying, it was quite obvious from the start that he only made those posts jsut so that he could get those that tagged him to remove their tags nothing more. You can see that the last time he was active here in the forum was after he made that psot claiming that he was ready to reimburse the last payment he recieved and that might be his last post in this forum.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 03:41:00 PM

It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account.

Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that.

Maybe no one will catch him doing this kind of switching, but there are a lot of members here who have a sharp eye and might be looking for this kind cheating. And yeah, it's bad for him, he thought that he can get away from it. And whatever reasons he might give, we are not going to buy it because what he did is intentional. This might not be the case though, maybe my memory is blurry, but doing 2017, there has been such cases as well. Nevertheless, the same ending, they were caught and their account tag and can't no longer join any signature campaigns.

I think using the ninjastic thread could also ease the catch of this kind but they are smart cheaters as well, thinking they will always go away with that forever, now it all has ended within a little space of time, what a shame on his reputation, efforts and contributions, am very sure that he was aware quite alright that such is against the law, but wanted to proof being smart, it will taught others a lesson if they were found in related acts and what will be their ends as well, this are offenses that needs no appeal because they are purely intentional and made deliberate.

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Quote from: Shan85 on May 19, 2023, 05:36:06 AM

Quote from: shasan on May 16, 2023, 01:35:26 PM

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

For an update about the payment so far, the scammer has not sent any amount, it's on his conscience now he will carry that burden all through his life, I think its part of his character of scamming people because scammers are like this, they are good at thinking all the possible way to cheat and scam people, since the start of the signature campaign here in this forum, no one has thought of this kind of cheating until somebody thought of this kind of scheme.
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Quote from: Latviand on May 23, 2023, 07:43:45 PM

Quote from: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 03:41:00 PM

It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account.

Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that.

Maybe no one will catch him doing this kind of switching, but there are a lot of members here who have a sharp eye and might be looking for this kind cheating. And yeah, it's bad for him, he thought that he can get away from it. And whatever reasons he might give, we are not going to buy it because what he did is intentional. This might not be the case though, maybe my memory is blurry, but doing 2017, there has been such cases as well. Nevertheless, the same ending, they were caught and their account tag and can't no longer join any signature campaigns.

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Quote from: Latviand on May 23, 2023, 07:43:45 PM

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Well, in the case of Shan85, he will no longer be able to do business with this account, and it will cost him to build up another one from 0 if he does not have other alts to be able to receive the income he already had. He could have done things with patience, and at the same time that he was working for a campaign he could have created an alt and build it up so that in the future he could have two accounts for which he could get paid in two campaigns in a legal way, without anyone being able to red tag him. He could have been rich in a country doing this, but greed blinded him.

What you've proposed is much smarter than what Shan85 did, remember that time when they've caught an account farm that's been operating for a long time, the patience of that person to do it must've been comparable to an iron, but for Shan85, it seems that they don't plan for the long-term and they think that probably better doing the much easier way while the going is good.

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It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing.

You’re right, this further proves my point why campaigns will always choose experienced managers even if they have other projects at hand. I have been a part of many campaigns and it’s no coincidence that I have worked with mostly 3-4 managers during all that time, there are plenty CM service thread on service board but companies want someone who other companies want, the more jobs you have as a CM the more attractive you become to prospective clients.

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Quote from: Latviand on May 23, 2023, 07:43:45 PM

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky.

I agree.

In these cases, as in the case of the exchange that has just disappeared, probably being an exit scam, I wonder what it cost them to continue doing things legally, without being blinded by greed. Well, in the case of Shan85, he will no longer be able to do business with this account, and it will cost him to build up another one from 0 if he does not have other alts to be able to receive the income he already had. He could have done things with patience, and at the same time that he was working for a campaign he could have created an alt and build it up so that in the future he could have two accounts for which he could get paid in two campaigns in a legal way, without anyone being able to red tag him. He could have been rich in a country doing this, but greed blinded him.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 03:41:00 PM

It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account.

Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 23, 2023, 02:02:17 PM

In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing.

I could agree with this but i won't in the last part. There are lots of instances of businesses hired an almost new campaign managers regardless their ranks. Well, most of these managers came from being a newbie on the management side, 4 years ago, aside from yahoo and hampuz, there are many new members seeks a management job yet they build there reputation and learning on the process and become what they are now.

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It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

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It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on May 23, 2023, 01:07:31 AM

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

Well, that's not always the way it goes. I get why it might seem like a money-saver for companies to handle their campaigns on their own, but you should consider the bigger picture. Just assuming that every business owner should do everything themselves to cut costs doesn't always work out in reality.

Here's my thinking: hiring professionals who specialize in campaign management can bring some serious benefits. These experts have the know-how, industry knowledge, and a fresh set of eyes that can make a real difference. They can help streamline the process, fine-tune strategies, avoid common pitfalls, and ultimately maximize the impact of your campaigns. So, while you might think doing it all in-house is the budget-friendly way to go, it's worth considering the long-term benefits of working with experienced professionals. It's all about finding that sweet spot where costs meet the value they bring to the table.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 16, 2023, 03:06:35 PM

He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month.
He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life.

That's a criminal offense that forum user just did, double cheating on a signature campaign for double payments, which has now got him red tagged, making his account useless and unfit to participate in any further campaign on the forum ever again. Because though it's sad, but this is what happens to people when they allow greed over their sense of reasoning into doing what is bad. Secondly, this should be a wake up to our campaign managers to always ensure no member of that campaign has an alt in it or not wearing the needed signature or avatar for the week

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