Topic: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) - page 5. (Read 2181 times)

But wait oo! Is it possible for a user to wear two signature at the time? Because I only know one signature box in the user profile so how come people are using two signature at the same time. And also the guy did not tried at all. Upon all the warnings from the campaign managers that no participant should wear another campaign signature while in the campaign. And yet some of the participants are still violating that important rule, it's like they think the managers would not find out, this is wrong. What a greedy world. Omo!!! The red tags are much for the guy head. The guy has really committed a crime in the forum. Before a users got 11 reg tags, he has done what is not nice in the forum.

This is a whole new level of greed. I think this is the first time such a case has come up, this user definitely deserves a red tag and should be made an example of because he actually obtained bitcoins from the two campaigns by false pretense. What is more surprising is how he managed to stay this long without getting caught. I always assumed that CMs have a bot that notifies them if a participant changes or modifies their signature during the week but it seems that’s not the case.

Well done buddy!! And that's why its says,  "Ten days of a thief, one day of a householder."
Hope he's already got the extreme lessons, already his profile is full of red lights and flags. I actually doubt whether he was actually the owner of the account because no wise full member would do this.  I actually think the account was sold to a fool and who is full of greed. Shan85 bro you loose lost of opportunity Such behavior is not expected from a full member. You really should have been careful earlier, many people have done this kind of behavior before and they were red-tagged for it too now you lose both the mango and the sack.

I wouldn't actually call him selfish people, he is actually a stupid person. Otherwise, he would not have slaughtered the hen that laid the golden egg like this.
I really don't understand how this stupid person survived two campaigns so well where already so much competition. From this we should understand that we should never be greedy, sin is death by sin
And "sin does not leave the father". Now again claiming that he has been illegally alleged I think to give another example of his stupidity where all the evidence are lighted like a day he is again claiming that this allegation is illegal.

LoL
I can understand people are poor and they need money, but I will never understand someone who is cheating and doing stupid stuff like this.

Did anyone saw latest post from Shan85 in Pakistan board?
I will just post it with a title in English since rest of the text is written in his native language.
Use translation for rest of his post or ask someone from Pakistan to help you...

In that case thumbs up for bbigtart as well for supporting our campaign managers by reporting the scamming activity of that user. I would still say thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for tackling such situation during their management job. Even if bbigtart reported that to the managers and that was a really good step by a responsible member, but the managers also took action against the culprit as soon as they possibly could.

This is new case for bitcoin paid campaign category. In the past I may encounter this kind of underhanded behavior in the token paid bounty category, especially if the manager accepts excessive participant capacity.

And I think that this time greed really overshadowed stupidity.

While many are struggling in getting accepted in any campaign for which BCR and Duelbits are great campaigns, shan did wasted the opportunity that was given to him by these two great managers and as well as companies.

AFAIK, they do some random checking for all of the participants. But then shan took advantage of it and he thought that no one will notice it but bbigtart seen it.

It was figured out by bbigtart and then Royse and Hhampuz responded quickly --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62253554

How could someone be so selfish to scam the ones who provide him such great opportunities. The guy thought that he could multiply his income by cheating campaign managers. I don't know that how people can play with someone's trust in that way. The campaign managers of our forum are highly competent and they choose the applicants fairly and still such people take advantage of their kind nature. The guy has lost his own respect and the opportunity that was given to him by the respected campaign managers.

The greed is the main cause of destruction and anyone who follows the path of greed will lose everything.  If he would do his work fairly and had controlled his greedy and scamming nature then he would still be earning a substantial income from this forum. His greed blinded him so badly that he took advantage of those who gave him the opportunity.

Those who give you the opportunity to earn money by fair means with your hard work are the most respect worthy people. Taking advantage of such people is totally a inhumane act, and only those with animal instincts could do such things. In our forum the mangers choose the applicants fairly and allow them to earn a good enough income for their work but still people are so mean.

I don't think that there is any fault of the campaign managers, they have been playing their roles very well. I think it's a lesson for us to learn that some people who have scamming mindsets can go to these extremes without any worries.

Both campaign mangers are professional at their work and have been managing many good campaigns successfully. Everyone should support our campaign managers in such times because they are truly doing a great job for the forum. Thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for figuring out such a scam!

It depends how you approach this.
What would you say if you were paid to hire people to hand out leaflets every day for a week, and one of the guys would take leaflets from you every day in the morning, hand them out for an hour or 2 and then throw the rest into the bin and go home? Should you be responsible to the company for what happened? Should you stand there and watch the leaflets being distributed every single day for 8 hours?
Managers are there to hire people, prepare signatures, count their posts and distribute payments. They aren't all seeing gods that cannot be cheated and they cannot be there reading people's posts as they make them.



That was the case in campaigns run through automated software. Maybe you remember the old bitmixer campaign run by Lauda, or the yobit campaign that required you to connect your exchange account with your bitcointalk profile ID. If I'm correct, these were actively monitoring if you had a signature.

It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday)

With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally.

The whole days may be for the thief but one day is for the owner to caught him up, but i still wonder what such an individual is upto for doing such, changing of signature codes and avatar every week, what a deceptive attempt, reading the rules is one of the foremost steps to take before engaging on application while some dont even read them at all, bit in this case, he knows about the rules and intentionally take such decision to cheat on the campaigns he participate on.



These kind of people are the ones that constitute the scam we've been seing ongoing on different platforms, he such user have the opportunity to scam a casino or campaign manager he will.

You've got a point there. Providing feedback, whether positive or negative, should be done with care and supported by evidence and references. However, trust is a subjective thing. What I find to be trustworthy might not be the same for you, and the opposite could be true as well. It's up to you to decide whose feedback you value and whose you take with a grain of salt, and adjust your trust list accordingly.


Why not? theymos ^{[Trust summary]} has done this on more than one occasion. How many "good deeds" do you think someone needs to make before they earn positive feedback and trust from someone?
No. Each individual's feedback should be evaluated on its own merit, based on the evidence and context provided, regardless of their status within the forum.

It is indeed an unfortunate incident! Compensating the company is their sole decision. To prevent the selection of such unethical members, they both need to re-evaluate their current onboarding process Both of them have a good reputation and big client base. Anymore incident like this one in the future will hamper their reputation as BM.

Although everyone has their own understanding of sending feedback, including/excluding anyone on their trust list but I think we all need to be more careful when leaving any feedback to anyone.

Just because one good work that happened out of no where, we should not start leaving feedback no matter that is from a DT or none DT member.

If you do a reasonable catch like this, other than connecting newbies (zero merit) with alts in different bounties, you can get a positive feedback.


Maybe 50% compensation 
However, the cheater didn't just pocket such bucks, but s/he also made complete posts required per week. The problem is that he was constantly switching signature.  So he actually promoted the two companies but in a dubious way.
Maybe he wore the BetterCallRaul signature more than the Duelbits because Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice, unlike BetterCallRaul which is less than 20 participants. 
This is also the reason he was bursted in Duelbits thread, wearing BetterCallRaul signature.

What?

There's no obligation for both of them to compensate the company for the past weeks, they're not have any intention to scam the company and Shan85 isn't their alt accounts. I also don't think they need to pay a developer to create a script or adds on to monitor their campaign participants.

I think if someone want to move to other campaign, he need to let know the campaign manager by notifying through the previous campaign thread, so the campaign manager will remove his name.

But this forum have a lot members, I believe with so many eyes, this case would have very low chance to happen again.

It's very unfortunate but such an obvious case it falls to the campaign manager, they're being paid to prevent such basic scam which includes verifying that the user is wearing the signature.

Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager.

Why am I not surprised. Cheater uses alt accounts to cheat in bounty campaigns. What a cliché!

Here's another one:

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They both applied to the Coindogs Bounty campaign with the same details, but Zeshan275 posted first.

That's not what he's talking about -- he's talking about shitposts written by those with a negligible grasp of the English language. Peeps can shitpost in their native language all day long and I would never say anything about it because its confined to their local boards. Low-effort posts written in any other area by those with very little understanding of the English language are the worst.

If non-English speakers are trying to make an effort to convey something intelligent, that's a whole nother story, and I have respect for that. But if you have half a dozen accounts like our friend Shan85 here chances are you're just trying to skeet out the bare minimum without getting fired from your campaign(s).

I feel uncomfortable when people link crime with poverty. Hunger can indeed cause someone to engage in criminal activity but it is not an excuse. Everybody has other options to make money at least to feed. His problem was not poverty or the average income from Pakistan, he was just greedy. He can live a moderate life in Pakistan with what he earns but he chose to steal because he wants more. Some members will never engage in such shameful acts even if they are in deep poverty. What he did was shameful and has brought a bad name to his country but I know some wonderful Pakistanis that will even refund funds wrongly sent to them.